Ambush at Apache Wells (1 Viewer)

[waynepoo]

I would certainly not buy figures with removable bases. I have broken figures in accidents and the pins they are on would not be enough to allow them to stand and would need additional engineering from companies which would add to cost. These are display items and most people will show them on cabinets, shelves desks not in diorama or ''display'' settings so bases and sturdy bases are vital even a removable base would see accidental knocking over increase and damage occur to expensive figures.

I guess weight is a mental issue because I find heavy items incur greater shipping costs are harder to display shelves needing extra support and cabinets being worried when multiples are displayed. I would like to see weight reduced for some king and country items like tanks they have with guns and I hope they change further. all the other companies jjd, tcsand fl release lighter tanks

I don't know for sure but I don't think that figures are cast with the base on, if so where does additional engineering come into? If someone in a factory attaches the bases and you then don't have that part of the process but instead the person who places the figure in box also places the base in the box as well how is that a extra cost? if anything it would be a balanced by the fact you don't have someone attaching bases. If you use the same type of glue used to attach bases to do it yourself how can that be any less effective? Of course you would not be placing figures in cabinets without a base so the pins would not be an issue. By giving people a choice it would create extra sales....no doubt about it.

 

[waynepoo]

The other side of the coin Wayne is that many collectors would not want to have to attach the bases to figures. They want to buy a figure complete and not have to attach or even glue it in if they never want to use it in a dio. You and me and many others do want to use our figures in dio's but many collectors will never do that and only display there figures in a display case. Just my thoughts and again, I would like baseless figures where possible.

Tom

Tom, give collectors a choice I say, honestly I don't believe that some collectors are beyond being able to attach bases. What it will do is... those collectors who may not have bought a certain figure because they wanted to use it in a certain diorama but couldn't because the base presented issues for using on hard surfaces will now buy that figure = more sales.

 

[Baymax]

I don't know for sure but I don't think that figures are cast with the base on, if so where does additional engineering come into? If someone in a factory attaches the bases and you then don't have that part of the process but instead the person who places the figure in box also places the base in the box as well how is that a extra cost? if anything it would be a balanced by the fact you don't have someone attaching bases. If you use the same type of glue used to attach bases to do it yourself how can that be any less effective? Of course you would not be placing figures in cabinets without a base so the pins would not be an issue. By giving people a choice it would create extra sales....no doubt about it.

The extra engineering would come from the fact the pins as they are in a base are not sufficient to stand a figure in a diorama setting. The owner would either have to slightly modify them to gain extra depth to make the figure sturdy (something you do not need to do with lighter figures plastic etc) or, the factory would have to do that which would mean different bases perhaps thicker and require more work.

As they stand (no pun intended) they would on the pegs/pins they are glued onto a base at the factory be unusable for diorama work. I would think there would be a lot less sales than you suggest to TomNT and me should a feature be introduced. I think display collectors are the majority of the people buying and diorama part the smallest. I really would not buy figures offered with loose bases as the norm. I would look elsewhere to companies not following that option. Not that my small sales matter in the big picture but, a trickle can lead to a downpour.

The issues of balance and the acceptance of less bases is addressed to an extent when you look at what king and country do with jerry cans and ammunition boxes. I would rather have a base as it looks odd having such things attached to legs for support. I think there is no likely chance this will happen and it would be good to hear from king and country as to what they think in terms of knowing the collectors what size of them want no base,

Perhaps the standard figures released with the option for people to pre pay for the bases to be left off may work but, logistically I see additional expense and hassle for the factories and manufacturers and it will not be cost effective to them.

If collectors are doing dioramas and similar I would expect they have the skill to do this work. I dropped a figure and the base broke so, a four feet drop does the job some gentle pressure would mean you could free every base from your figures and have what you wish

 

[waynepoo]

The extra engineering would come from the fact the pins as they are in a base are not sufficient to stand a figure in a diorama setting. The owner would either have to slightly modify them to gain extra depth to make the figure sturdy (something you do not need to do with lighter figures plastic etc) or, the factory would have to do that which would mean different bases perhaps thicker and require more work.

As they stand (no pun intended) they would on the pegs/pins they are glued onto a base at the factory be unusable for diorama work. I would think there would be a lot less sales than you suggest to TomNT and me should a feature be introduced. I think display collectors are the majority of the people buying and diorama part the smallest. I really would not buy figures offered with loose bases as the norm. I would look elsewhere to companies not following that option. Not that my small sales matter in the big picture but, a trickle can lead to a downpour.

The issues of balance and the acceptance of less bases is addressed to an extent when you look at what king and country do with jerry cans and ammunition boxes. I would rather have a base as it looks odd having such things attached to legs for support. I think there is no likely chance this will happen and it would be good to hear from king and country as to what they think in terms of knowing the collectors what size of them want no base,

Perhaps the standard figures released with the option for people to pre pay for the bases to be left off may work but, logistically I see additional expense and hassle for the factories and manufacturers and it will not be cost effective to them.

If collectors are doing dioramas and similar I would expect they have the skill to do this work. I dropped a figure and the base broke so, a four feet drop does the job some gentle pressure would mean you could free every base from your figures and have what you wish

Again I disagree, having been involved in creating some large dioramas, it would be and is less work if the figures had no bases regardless of the length or depth of the pins. Again where and how would it be more expensive for manufactures when the only difference is not attaching the base but placing it in the same box? no need for any extra engineering, why would you need to? nothing changes just the base unattached. In any measure giving people a extra choice or option is without doubt a winner. Prepay for bases to be left off! why would you do that, it has to be cheaper to not have the bases attached, just where would it involve extra cost? As far as more sales I myself would have and will buy more figures if this option is ever available and I know I would not the only one, again a win, win.

 

[jazzeum]

Since you appear to be a display collector, how do you know that they won't work in dioramas without some "extra engineering." Considering the dios Wayne has made, one of which was for an Australian museum, I would sooner take his word in the matter than yours. Moreover, that would be the problem for the diorama maker, not the manufacturer.

Regarding whether the base of the figure would come attached or detached, it could come both ways and perhaps there would be an extra cost for detached as probably most would want it attached. Offering collectors different choices is not unprecedented as K & C offers SOHK figures in either matte or gloss, for example.

 

[wayne556517]

Now back to the Apaches hey

 

[marco55]

I had a shelf come down not long ago and the bases didn't save the figures.Matte collectors are more into set ups than just sitting a figure on a shelf as you can see with all the products being produced for dioramas.
Mark

 

[Baymax]

Since you appear to be a display collector, how do you know that they won't work in dioramas without some "extra engineering." Considering the dios Wayne has made, one of which was for an Australian museum, I would sooner take his word in the matter than yours. Moreover, that would be the problem for the diorama maker, not the manufacturer.

Regarding whether the base of the figure would come attached or detached, it could come both ways and perhaps there would be an extra cost for detached as probably most would want it attached. Offering collectors different choices is not unprecedented as K & C offers SOHK figures in either matte or gloss, for example.

Jazeum/ Waynepoo. I do not think it is a diorama question exclusively for or only those people who do displays. I mentioned breaking a figure and seeing the plugs on the feet of the figure that attached it to the base. It does not take a diorama builder to note that they would not be sufficiently large enough to stop a figure from falling. Doing museum dioramas is entirely different as I would imagine that they would be permanently fixed in place. How many collectors want their figures permanently glued to something? I want the ability to move them around and basically do whatever I want with them. I would think it would be restrictive and cause more accidents having them on loose bases.

I fully see where waynepoo is coming from because his needs are better served with loose or no bases. Mine are served with bases as I want different things with what I buy. I just simply hope that the status quo remains with fixed bases.

 

[ivanmoe]

Matte collectors are more into set ups than just sitting a figure on a shelf as you can see with all the products being produced for dioramas.

Anyone ever done a poll, "bases or no bases?"

-Moe

 

[waynepoo]

Jazeum/ Waynepoo. I do not think it is a diorama question exclusively for or only those people who do displays. I mentioned breaking a figure and seeing the plugs on the feet of the figure that attached it to the base. It does not take a diorama builder to note that they would not be sufficiently large enough to stop a figure from falling. Doing museum dioramas is entirely different as I would imagine that they would be permanently fixed in place. How many collectors want their figures permanently glued to something? I want the ability to move them around and basically do whatever I want with them. I would think it would be restrictive and cause more accidents having them on loose bases.

I fully see where waynepoo is coming from because his needs are better served with loose or no bases. Mine are served with bases as I want different things with what I buy. I just simply hope that the status quo remains with fixed bases.

Both needs are served if the bases a supplied separate, how can they not be....... if you don't want to glue the figure to the dio attach the base and cover it if not glue it, at least with separate bases that option is available to the collector, the status quo is no choice, give the choice.

 

[Normandy1944]

Oh boy, I am already starting a diorama for the new Apache!
hope you like it




Harry^&grin

 

[Normandy1944]

another picture




Harry

 

[jazzeum]

Harrie, looks good and even better when you have Apaches. I wonder if K & C would make a stagecoach some day. That would be quite neat.

Brad

 

[maddadicus]

Harrie, looks good and even better when you have Apaches. I wonder if K & C would make a stagecoach some day. That would be quite neat.

Brad

Didn't Figarti offer one or was that a nonstarter by them..Michael

 

[jazzeum]

They had a partnership with someone by the name of Jack something or other but that was when they were spreading themselves thinly. I'm sure a K & C one wound be a hit.

 

[BLReed]

Didn't Figarti offer one or was that a nonstarter by them..Michael

I don't know about Figarti, but Blackhawk has one,
BlackHawk: FW0101, The West, The Overland Stagecoach

 

[jazzeum]

I've heard the Blackhawk one is quite nice.

 

[King & Country]

Hi Guys,
Many, many thanks for the very warm welcome that our upcoming “APACHES” have received from you.

Allow me to thank a couple of people who helped in the research for this new range of American Indians…Firstly , Jakob Bredahl-Kjaer of “Toysoldiers of Scandinavia” , our K&C Authorized Dealer in Denmark. Jakob presented me with a great scrapbook / file of pictorial images of Apaches a while back. He loves Apaches and thought K&C could do a great add-on series to our “Real West” range… Thankyou Jakob, your belief and faith have now been rewarded…And there’s even more Apaches in the pipeline!
Secondly, my old friend Dan Gagliasso in Hollywood U.S.A.
Dan is a screenwriter for both movies and television and a historical advisor / director and producer of many great TV shows about the Old West. As a movie buff himself Dan has taken me many times to the Academy of Motion Pictures Library in L.A. and helped me gain access to a wealth of photographic reference that has greatly assisted K&C on many different series.
A very big thanks to both guys!

On a related matter… BASES … ON OR OFF..?
In the discussion thread “Figure bases, want ‘em with or without” elsewhere on the Forum. I appreciate hearing / reading all points raised and find that my friend Mike Miller from Galveston, Texas most reflects my and K&C’s own position. We will continue to release some figures without bases when we think it’s practical i.e. Dead / Casualty Figures….Some kneeling / sitting figures… and occasionally standing pieces that go onto or next to fighting vehicles. Our recent “U.S. Tankers” is the best example or this. Generally speaking most other figures will have their bases permanently attached which is what most collectors (and dealers) seem to want.
However, we will continue to monitor the situation and make changes when necessary. Thanks for all your thoughts and input.

On related “Apache” matters … Love the stagecoaches and they look magnificent! BUT they also look VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE and EASY TO BREAK!!! So, for the moment, I’m happy to let others go in that direction. Sorry guys.
Finally, here’s one more pic of the “APACHE WELLS” dio from a different angle with some more “John Ford Cavalry” in a rather tricky situation… Enjoy!

Best wished to one and all,

Andy​

 

[wayne556517]

Anyone ever done a poll, "bases or no bases?"

-Moe

No but i think a poll on polls was done once ^&grin^&grin

 

[ivanmoe]

No but i think a poll on polls was done once ^&grin^&grin

Polls in which participants self-select (aka straw polls) are admittedly wanting in terms of accuracy. They tend to attract participants who feel strongly about the issue at hand, one way or the other. This is fine, but between the extremes lies 70 or 80 percent of the poll universe who don't participate because they don't feel strongly enough about the issue to speak up. The poll mechanism that we see employed at TF is of the straw vote variety.

-Moe