Analyst Suspended for Collecting Nazi Memorabilia (1 Viewer)

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Interesting article from the NY Times given some of our discussions on the LAH figures and ebay hassles:

A leading human rights group has suspended its senior military analyst following revelations that he is an avid collector of Nazi memorabilia.

The group, Human Rights Watch, had initially thrown its full support behind the analyst, Marc Garlasco, when the news of his hobby came out last week. On Monday night, the group shifted course and suspended him with pay, “pending an investigation,” said Carroll Bogert, the group’s associate director.

“We have questions about whether we have learned everything we need to know,” she said.

The suspension comes at a time of heightened tension between, on one side, the new Israeli government and its allies on the right, and the other side, human rights organizations that have been critical of Israel. In recent months, the government has pledged an aggressive approach toward the groups to discredit what they argue is bias and error.

Injected suddenly into that heated conflict, word of Mr. Garlasco’s interest seemed startling to many. The disclosure ricocheted across the Internet: Mr. Garlasco, an American, was not only a collector, he has written a book, more than 400 pages long, about Nazi-era medals. His hobby, inspired he said by a German grandfather conscripted into Hitler’s army, was revealed on a pro-Israel blog, Mere Rhetoric Mere Rhetoric, which quoted his enthusiastic postings on collector sites under the pseudonym “Flak88” — including, “That is so cool! The leather SS jacket makes my blood go cold it is so COOL!”

It was a Rorschach moment in the conflict between Israel and its critics. The revelations were, depending on who is talking, either incontrovertible proof of bias or an irrelevant smear.

The Mere Rhetoric posting said Mr. Garlasco’s interests explained “anti-Israel biases.”

The administration of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu also weighed in, but its views on groups like Human Rights Watch were already clear. Mr. Netanyahu’s policy director, Ron Dermer, told The Jerusalem Post in July, “We are going to dedicate time and manpower to combating these groups; we are not going to be sitting ducks in a pond for the human rights groups to shoot at us with impunity.”

After the report about Mr. Garlasco came out, Mr. Dermer called it “perhaps a new low.”

At first, Human Rights Watch, a global organization with headquarters in New York, issued an unequivocal statement of support for Mr. Garlasco, saying he “has never held or expressed Nazi or anti-Semitic views.”

Ms. Bogert at the time said his work has been “extensively reviewed, lawyered, scrutinized, pulverized by our program and legal staff, and we have not in six years ever had cause to question his professional judgment.”

Mr. Garlasco, who worked at the Pentagon helping to target bombs in the second Persian Gulf war, has since traveled the world for Human Rights Watch, investigating and writing reports of the alleged use of white phosphorus munitions in Gaza, cluster munitions in Russia and Georgia, and other military practices in Iraq, Afghanistan and Lebanon.

Ms. Bogert called the attacks on Mr. Garlasco and her group “a distraction from the real issue, which is the Israeli government’s behavior.”

But some who firmly support Human Rights Watch were left unsettled by the researcher’s extracurricular activities.

Helena Cobban, a blogger and activist who is on the group’s Middle East advisory committee, asked on her blog, Just World News, if Mr. Garlasco’s activities were “something an employer like Human Rights Watch ought to be worried about? After consideration, I say Yes.”

Other groups say they have felt more heat from the Israeli government and its allies. “Recently we have seen a new attitude, a stepping up,” said Sari Michaeli, press officer for the group B’Tselem, which recently came under harsh criticism from the Israeli military for a report that concluded that civilians made up more than half of the Palestinian casualties in the Gaza offensive.

Mr. Garlasco declined to be interviewed. But on Friday he posted an essay with the Huffington Post in which he called the Nazis “the worst war criminals of all time,” explaining that he was simply a “military geek” whose interest grew out of his own family’s history.

“I’ve never hidden my hobby, because there’s nothing shameful in it, however weird it might seem to those who aren’t fascinated by military history,” he wrote. “Precisely because it’s so obvious that the Nazis were evil, I never realized that other people, including friends and colleagues, might wonder why I care about these things.”

Yaron Ezrahi, a professor of political science at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, said he did not believe that Mr. Garlasco’s interest in memorabilia could support allegations of “premeditated bias.” He said, however, that Human Rights Watch’s credibility might have been wounded because Mr. Garlasco’s hobby “has armed the right-wing fanatics” who “work day and night to demonize any individual or organization that raises questions about the military practices of Israel when they end up even with unintended civilian casualties.”

And that is one thing that seems to especially trouble Ms. Cobban, who said in an interview that the controversy played into the hands of the government and its helpers in the fight.

“They have been given this deus ex machina gift,” she said, “about the discovery of Garlasco and his out-of-hours hobby.”
 
In todays politically correct time we are slowly losing all our personal freedoms. Its quite a shame. I am a type "A" personality yet I always get in line and wait my turn, and respect the rights of others. I do not smoke, but I respect other peoples right to do so, I also do not drink, again it is not my place to tell another adult he cannot.

I am always suprised when a person walks into a crowd and cuts in line or tries to intimidate another person that arrived ahead of them. Once in the Post Office the woman directly in front of me went on a tirade when the women being served needed a little extra time to mail out her package. She had a small child, and a rather large poorly wrapped package. The lady in front of me began complaining that she was in a hurry and the woman at the counter was wasting her precious time!:eek: After a couple of minutes of similar noise I mentioned that she was not being very charaitable to the other
woman. She promptly informed me that she was going to "Heaven" because she was a good (what-ever).........I told her I hoped no one was watching her at the moment!:eek:

My point is what has happened to us? When did we decided that we knew what was best for everyone else? Exactly when did the world begin to revolve around each persons special set of rules?

Perhaps we should be a little more patient and respect the personal freedoms of others especially when they really don't affect us.
 
Couldn't agree more. When PC starts to interfere with our private lives and freedom, like in this case, there is only one thing that comes to mind: FASCISM!(or COMMUNISM, it's the same thing after all).


Paulo
 
In todays politically correct time we are slowly losing all our personal freedoms. Its quite a shame. I am a type "A" personality yet I always get in line and wait my turn, and respect the rights of others. I do not smoke, but I respect other peoples right to do so, I also do not drink, again it is not my place to tell another adult he cannot.

Kudos to you John, I too am a classic type "A" and it seems the older I get, the less patience I have.

I was at the bank this past Monday to make a deposit and there were 5 people in front of me in line, about another 5 behind me and two tellers were open; one was chatting away with some clambrain about ragtime stuff, holding up the whole line. At that moment, my cell phone rang and it was my girlfriend and when she asked where I was, I said "The bank, but it feels like the Registry of Motor Vehicles" and everyone in line was laughing over that one.

Finally, the teller and the customer ended their family reunion and the line started to move..........................
 
In todays politically correct time we are slowly losing all our personal freedoms. Its quite a shame. I am a type "A" personality yet I always get in line and wait my turn, and respect the rights of others. I do not smoke, but I respect other peoples right to do so, I also do not drink, again it is not my place to tell another adult he cannot.

I am always suprised when a person walks into a crowd and cuts in line or tries to intimidate another person that arrived ahead of them. Once in the Post Office the woman directly in front of me went on a tirade when the women being served needed a little extra time to mail out her package. She had a small child, and a rather large poorly wrapped package. The lady in front of me began complaining that she was in a hurry and the woman at the counter was wasting her precious time!:eek: After a couple of minutes of similar noise I mentioned that she was not being very charaitable to the other
woman. She promptly informed me that she was going to "Heaven" because she was a good (what-ever).........I told her I hoped no one was watching her at the moment!:eek:

My point is what has happened to us? When did we decided that we knew what was best for everyone else? Exactly when did the world begin to revolve around each persons special set of rules?

Perhaps we should be a little more patient and respect the personal freedoms of others especially when they really don't affect us.

Ditto!:) Glad to see there is still some sense in the world!

Vick
 
Wow, is about all I can say. This is the problem with our Country and the world, political correctness run amok. Jeez, I am Jewish by marriage and I find this incredulous. What the hell ever happened to an appreciation for history for better or worse. Those who forget are doomed to repeat...........Aw I forgot, the PC crowd would love to rewrite that history so it goes away. BS

TD
 
I hope by now most here know I am no friend of PC and strongly believe a bloke's personal affairs are their own business. That said, I must confess that the gentleman showed rather questionable judgment to be participating, actively and vocally in a pursuit that he certainly knew would be perceived by some and certainly could be portrayed as anti Semitic while working for an organization that is currently involved in criticizing Israel's own humans rights violations.;):eek: Each to their own pursuits but perception in business and international affairs is often as or more important than reality so if you take the coin in a sensitive situation you should be prepared act accordingly. After all SS symbols are rather powerful in that part of the world and we are talking about actual SS memorabilia, not a swastika on a miniature tank or airplane. So talk about giving the conservative government an unnecessary issue and reason to be feel more defensive that usual.:eek: I frankly don't care what he was collecting, any more than most Israelis probably do but he probably should be fired for stupidity, not his hobby.;)
 
The collection of NAZI Militaria has nothing to do with Antisemitism and I suspect the motives of anyone that suggests otherwise.

How many Allied War Veterans have an Iron Cross or similar? Are they all NAZIs or Antisemitic? I reckon those old guys would punch your nose if you suggested it.

Btw, did anyone think to ask him if he thinks the US Leather Flying Jackets are just as cool, or cooler, than the German versions - I know I do. Btw, I would appreciate any American Flying Jackets you guys can send me :D
 
Of course not knowing all the facts we are speaking in generalizations here. I know several gentlemen that are avid WWII collectors. German Lugers are highly prized by collectors as are many of the military daggers. I have a couple of Lugers myself. As part of a military collection, I see little harm, but
usually these items are displayed as war trophys.

I could easily see a collection of Nazi Memorablia difficult to explain even to another WWII collector, so perhaps this individuals judgement was not what it should be.

While we are all collectors here, you do have to use some common sense deciding what to collect.
 
Of course not knowing all the facts we are speaking in generalizations here. I know several gentlemen that are avid WWII collectors. German Lugers are highly prized by collectors as are many of the military daggers. I have a couple of Lugers myself. As part of a military collection, I see little harm, but
usually these items are displayed as war trophys.

I could easily see a collection of Nazi Memorablia difficult to explain even to another WWII collector, so perhaps this individuals judgement was not what it should be.

While we are all collectors here, you do have to use some common sense deciding what to collect.


My grandfather at one time (A WW2 Veteran of Bataan and Occupied Japan alive today at 90!) had a rather extensive memorabilia collection of war trophies including Nazi regalia. He even had a high ranking original SA Brownshirts Hat with the proper band to denote high ranking official along with countless lugers, daggers, parade uniforms, batons, etc. When he sold, the collectors came from miles in the late 80s. As I remember, there was no issue, no glorfication, no nothing, it was simply what is was WW2 collection. My point is, the reason people feel the need to be sensible is due to the PC world, as perceived tasteless as this is, it is simply a WW2 collection period.

NOW, where this guy probably burned himself was his enthusiastic posting on online forums. I still think it is total BS and you should do what you want.

Now, as I have stated many times, I have since sold nearly all of my LAH goodies due to direct family issues in the fact that it is viewed as a glorification by my inlaws who are of a different generation. My wife is fine with it, but my inlaws, I basically do not want to hurt their feelings. Therefore, I chose to pass it on to other collectors who could better display and enjoy it.

TD
 
Tom: I think you are right on the money. As displayed in a military collection among people with a similar interest little problem. They simply see the items as war trophys. My dad brought back his lugers after fighting his way across Belgium and France. He certainly has no love for the Germans....he gets along ok, but if someone gets smart and he detects a German attitude watch out, its 1945 again. You have to respect the fact these men went out and put their life on the line to end that war.

Your decision with the LAH series is exactly the way I would handle it. The moment you saw it making someone uncomfortable out it goes.
 

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