Andy's Talk at 5th Chicago K&C Dinner (2 Viewers)

Steven Chong

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Before I summarize Andy's talk, I want to thank Peter and Shannon Reuss of Treefrog Treasures, Mike and Myszka Hall of Sierra Toy Soldier Company, and Tim Tyler of Troops of Time for the wonderful dinner. Because of the flu, Tim was unable to attend the dinner.

I am probably mispelling his name and apologize ahead of time, but a special guest, Paul Forneric(?), provided memorabilia and vignettes of his uncle, Adoph, who served in the U.S. Army during the Battle of the Bulge. Each guest received copies of official commendations and pictures of Adoph and his comrades. We thank him and all other veterans for their service.

Andy started by introducing his former wife, Laura McAllister, who remains a good friend and business partner. She was credited with suggesting that Andy start K&C. When Andy complained about not finding toy soldiers he liked, Laura told him, "This is Hong Kong, the toy capital of the world ... why don't we make our own." Andy then introduced Laura's son, Jamie Johnson, and the K&C Chicago team, Helen Mok Sargent, Gordon Neilson and Patrick Lee. Andy answered questions for about 45 minutes.

Andy started by mentioning that despite the economy, K&C has continued to grow. He stated that K&C products are a great value for the money since few investments have risen in value like K&C. Competition is good since it keeps everyone on their toes. The K&C Team is the best in his humble opinion, but always learning. Chicago Show is vital since it allows Andy and his team to talk to collectors. They may not always agree with the collector's opinion but they always listen.

Andy then opened the floor for questions:

A. Will K&C ever redo a set that has been retired? NO, will never repeat exactly the same set. K&C products is an investment that increases in value because the business model of not reissuing retired items works. Also no fun redoing old sets.

B. Submarine diorama has several building facades ... will K&C do them? The facades are dock related and K&C prefers to do more generic facades for towns or villages. Whether dock related facades are produced will depend on the legs of the submarine project, which is a SL item.

C. Last 10 years, what has been the most disappointing project? Iwo Jima ... collectors did not buy them. Andy jokingly suggested that collectors get these figures since the poor sellers have historically been proven to be more rare in the future, thus worth more. WWII collectors prefer Western Front. Have to run K&C as a business and do what sells. [REPORTER COMMENT: Collectors should understand that in past meetings, Andy has explained what he means by "poor sellers." A "good seller" sells most of the inventory within 6 to 8 months while a "poor seller" might take 18 months. The "poor seller" eventually sells most of the production run, but capital and warehouse space is tied up in these slow selling products and K&C prefers to do products that sell relatively more quickly.]

D. Plans on ACW Union personalities? Yes, personalities sell. Just released Confederate personalities and plan to release Union personalities in early 2010. Andy disclosed that one figure will be John Buford (calvary commander at Gettysburg) and some associated figures. I am guessing Reynolds.

E. U.S. Air Force (Army Air Corp.)? Yes, Jan. 2010 will see release of P-51B (razorback), pilots, ground crew, MP's, personalities and assessories.

F. Any more Alamo figures? Yes, Mexican Dragoons, new Davy Crockett, Travis and Jim Bowie.

G. Suggestion that K&C do US pilots serving in RAF (before US declared war): One of the future Spitfires will be Eagle Squadron with a specific pilot personality.

H. Are your competitors healthy? Are younger people coming into hobby? Have seen many young people at recent Sierra Toy Soldier event. There will always be a minority of children interested in history who become collectors; but unfortunately, history is not being taught like in the past. K&C is trying to educate young people about history through its products. K&C has traveled and spent more this year than in the past in trying to meet challenge of attracting more people to hobby: Korea, Australia with future planned trips to UK, Paris, Florence and Rome. Spending lots of money promoting hobby. Also mentioned that Britains is organizing special event and they are very proactive. Strong continue to be strong.

I. More German paratroopers for Normandy? NO, recent German paratroopers did not do well, so it is a business decisions. Let competitors do it since there is good work being done.

J. What is attracting young people into hobby? Primarily WWII since kids see WWII movies and programmking on History Channel -- more exposure to WWII. It's kids who are interested in history and like action, not parades.

K. Book on how to do K&C type dioramas? Have thought about it but don't know. Recommended Louis Badalato and Kevin Elliot's two new K&C books.

L. Consider doing Tuskegee airman or other personalities? Andy started by apologizing if anyone will be offended by the next statement, but he has been told that black figures do not sell. Mentioned that there were no African American collectors at the dinner.

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Steven

Thanks for taking the time to report all of this to those of us who could not make Chicago. I for one - really appreciate your effort.

All very interesting news !

Ron
 
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Hello Steven,

Thank you very much for the excellent summary.

For any collector looking seriously at K&C, this helps in no small way to provide some insight into the future direction of the company.

Best Regards, Raymond.


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Thanks for all the "intel" for those of us who can't attend. Unlike Figarti, K&C didnt' tip their hat too much about the specifics of future releases. Guess we'll have to be patient for those monthly dispatches.
The business perspective of why things are made/not made is always interesting. My one surprise is the lack of interest by K&C in making Normandy Fallschirmjagers.:confused: I must confess in my opinion the look of the old K&C sets ( both uniforms and poses) are still superior over both newer releases. The first new release was a little bland and in the second tropical series that bright yellow is offputting. The new Luftwaffe figures on the other hand in both poses and uniforms look terrific so I wonder if its simply poor execution rather than collector interest that the Fallschirmjagers haven't lived up to expectations? Ditto for Iwo Jima and the Russian series. K&C is always improving so instead of just handing the ball off to another manufacturer I say give it a go again!
I won't touch point L other than say I disagree. For example the GMC 2 1/2 with the Afro-American driver did well and is a fortune on E-bay. K&C's only dude is the FOB surrendering Senegalese. Be bold and tread down this untapped path again, you might be surprised at the results. If nothing else its fresh! US soldiers of WWII deserve that representation and I think collectors would snap up the right pieces with the right poses.
Glad to see point A. It protects collectors whose older "investments" have appreciated over time and yet allows for fresh new pieces that improve the older ones. A great strategy, keeps everyone happy.

Cheers
CFM :)
 
From K&C Q&A with Andy:
L. Consider doing Tuskegee airman or other personalities? Andy started by apologizing if anyone will be offended by the next statement, but he has been told that black figures do not sell. Mentioned that there were no African American collectors at the dinner.


This is most unfortunate since a major motion picture called "Red Tails" about the Tuskegee Airmen is currently in production. It stars Cuba Gooding, Jr. and Terence Howard. It is directed by Anthony Hemingway who directed many episodes of The Wire. Fans of that HBO series will be interested to learn that Andre Royo who was totally amazing as "Bubbles" is also in the film.

You do not need to be an African American to collect black soldiers. I have some (AWI, Boxer Rebellion, WWII) and would gladly buy more were they available. At one time Andy promised a black American WWII artillery crew but unfortunately it never saw the light of day. Corgi(see below) made a figure of USAAF Ace Lee "Buddy" Archer for its Forward March series.
 

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I think too producing black soldiers couldn't be a failure,maybe the famous Askari in italian service..or just think to the 92nd "Buffalo" division in the campaign of Italy, i think a new range with far more alternatives could be produced , 8th Army Commonwealth soldiers, French colonial,and a score of new personalities (just think at the features of a Mark Clark for example !or a "Tiny" Freyberg..) in due time we'll have Italy Campaign ..returning to the black soldiers one other example could be the African Rifles in british service..i have a book with them dressed in a wonderful uniform to be reproduced..and in a hypotetic western or Cuban War range think to the "Buffalo" Soldier in blue...here for example an Askari (Ascaro) of an italian unit:
http://www.gruppomodellisticoariete.it/Galleria/Tomaselli/ascaro/ascaro.jpg
 
Well there you go Andy, now if you can figure out how to make a profit while

selling 3 sets your in business.:)

I also think the GMC 2 1/2 was popular because of the vehicle itself....not

because of its figures.

Whats next.....people going to be upset because there are no left handed

figures?:eek::D
 
Well there you go Andy, now if you can figure out how to make a profit while

selling 3 sets your in business.:)

I also think the GMC 2 1/2 was popular because of the vehicle itself....not

because of its figures.

Whats next.....people going to be upset because there are no left handed

figures?

When did K&C do a "Red Ball Express" deuce and a half? It must have been before I started collecting K&C. :( BTW Believe it or not, I am left handed:)
 
L. Consider doing Tuskegee airman or other personalities? Andy started by apologizing if anyone will be offended by the next statement, but he has been told that black figures do not sell. Mentioned that there were no African American collectors at the dinner.

:)

Andy

I find this a bit odd. May I ask who told you they didn't sell? And I don't mean to be smart but do you not do research? I assume that you mean WWII black figures do not sell. I have a cabinet full of black figures, called Zulus and I believe they sell very well. You don't have to be black to collect black figures.

Cheers
Scott
 
When did K&C do a "Red Ball Express" deuce and a half? It must have been before I started collecting K&C. :( BTW Believe it or not, I am left handed:)

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DD39 Deuce and a half retired June 2006. It shows up on occasion on

ebay.

Hey at least 1/2 of my toy soldiers are left handed!:D:)
 
I think too producing black soldiers couldn't be a failure,maybe the famous Askari in italian service, French colonial returning to the black soldiers one other example could be the African Rifles in british service..i have a book with them dressed in a wonderful uniform to be reproduced..and in a hypotetic western or Cuban War range think to the "Buffalo" Soldier in blue...here for example an Askari (Ascaro) of an italian unit:
http://www.gruppomodellisticoariete.it/Galleria/Tomaselli/ascaro/ascaro.jpg

Askaris in Italian,British,German,Belgian service would do very well.US Cavalry 9th and 10th regiments would do very well.French Senegalese Tirailleurs would be great.
Mark
 
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DD39 Deuce and a half retired June 2006. It shows up on occasion on

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Hey at least 1/2 of my toy soldiers are left handed!:D:)

Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for it. From Bill Sager's archive--very nice set.
 

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Thanks very much for info

appreciated

waiting to see if somebody will post

pictures of the show

thank u again for info
 
Thanks. I'll keep an eye out for it. From Bill Sager's archive--very nice set.

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Yes it is, King & Countrys first effort DD07 was fairly rough but is still in high

demand by collectors. This example is much improved and I wouldn't be

suprised to see another version offered again one day.

DD07
 

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