fmethorst
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The last two armored cars released by K&C seem like odd choices to me. Keeping in mind that an item must be marketable to be created (i.e. Tiger, Sherman etc.) I don't understand these two selections. Do these really sell as well Sd.Kfz.222, 231, 232, 234 would?
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I admit I like the looks of the Panhard. I just feel it would have been more versatile had it been a more common version. The number of cars mentioned in the excerpts below are not large and decreased as the war progressed.
Original Designation: AMD Panhard 174/178
Original Role: armored car
German Designation: Panzerspahwagen P174/178 204(f)
Conversions/Role/Use: combat/reconnaissance/policing/training
Note: Some were modified and rearmed with 50mm KwK L/42 guns. Some were converted to railway protection armored cars.
A couple excerpts from Wikipedia:
As the type was well-suited to German tactics, at least 190 Panhards, most of them brandnew, were issued to German reconnaissance units for use in Operation Barbarossa in 1941 under the designation of Panzerspähwagen P204 (f), 107 would be lost that year. Among these were some radio vehicles, designated Panzerspähwagen (Funk) P204 (f). Thirty Panhards were listed as in use on the Eastern Front on 31 May 1943. Some of these were fitted with spaced armour.
Modifications by Germany, Vichy France and Italy
After 1941 the Germans modified 43 cars as railway-protection vehicles (Schienenpanzer); they could drive on the tracks themselves by means of special wheels and were fitted with large radio frame aerials.
Under the armistice conditions the Vichy regime was allowed to use 64 Panhards for police service. These vehicles, mainly taken from the May-June production batches,[27] had their guns removed and replaced with an additional machine gun. On orders of the Army, Engineer J. Restany from April 1941 clandestinely produced 45 new turrets, fitted with a 47 mm SA 35 gun; some were eventually combined with the hulls. These hulls and cars were hidden or dumped in lakes when the whole of France was occupied in 1942. In the summer of 1944 some were taken into use by the resistance; of these vehicles some would again be captured and used by the Germans.
In 1944 some of the 34 Panhards captured by the Germans when they overran Vichy-France in November 1942, were rebuilt with the 50 mm L/42 or L/60 gun in an open-topped turret and used for occupation duty. In November 1942, the Italian Army also captured two Panhards, which would be used by them until September 1943.
I admit I like the looks of the Panhard. I just feel it would have been more versatile had it been a more common version. The number of cars mentioned in the excerpts below are not large and decreased as the war progressed.
Original Designation: AMD Panhard 174/178
Original Role: armored car
German Designation: Panzerspahwagen P174/178 204(f)
Conversions/Role/Use: combat/reconnaissance/policing/training
Note: Some were modified and rearmed with 50mm KwK L/42 guns. Some were converted to railway protection armored cars.
A couple excerpts from Wikipedia:
As the type was well-suited to German tactics, at least 190 Panhards, most of them brandnew, were issued to German reconnaissance units for use in Operation Barbarossa in 1941 under the designation of Panzerspähwagen P204 (f), 107 would be lost that year. Among these were some radio vehicles, designated Panzerspähwagen (Funk) P204 (f). Thirty Panhards were listed as in use on the Eastern Front on 31 May 1943. Some of these were fitted with spaced armour.
Modifications by Germany, Vichy France and Italy
After 1941 the Germans modified 43 cars as railway-protection vehicles (Schienenpanzer); they could drive on the tracks themselves by means of special wheels and were fitted with large radio frame aerials.
Under the armistice conditions the Vichy regime was allowed to use 64 Panhards for police service. These vehicles, mainly taken from the May-June production batches,[27] had their guns removed and replaced with an additional machine gun. On orders of the Army, Engineer J. Restany from April 1941 clandestinely produced 45 new turrets, fitted with a 47 mm SA 35 gun; some were eventually combined with the hulls. These hulls and cars were hidden or dumped in lakes when the whole of France was occupied in 1942. In the summer of 1944 some were taken into use by the resistance; of these vehicles some would again be captured and used by the Germans.
In 1944 some of the 34 Panhards captured by the Germans when they overran Vichy-France in November 1942, were rebuilt with the 50 mm L/42 or L/60 gun in an open-topped turret and used for occupation duty. In November 1942, the Italian Army also captured two Panhards, which would be used by them until September 1943.
