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King's Man said:
Wonderful figures! Are they Gloss or Matt finished?

Thank you for posting these pictures.

King's Man
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They are matt. They just look a little glossy on the pictures due to the flash.

Thanks King's Man and BritFarmer for the nice comments!
 
I've always enjoyed this company. Unfortunately the mameluk's uniform and schabraque are incorrect.

Russ
 
Roustam said:
I've always enjoyed this company. Unfortunately the mameluk's uniform and schabraque are incorrect.

Russ
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Hi Russ, could you elaborate on what is incorrect on the uniform and schabraque? I have the Napoleon's Mamelukes Osprey book (#429) and looking at the plates, e.g. the D one showing SL Kirmann, I don't see any obvious difference. All mamelukes seem to have different colorful variation of their overall oriental outfit anyway.
Thanks!
 
Grognard said:
Hi Russ, could you elaborate on what is incorrect on the uniform and schabraque? I have the Napoleon's Mamelukes Osprey book (#429) and looking at the plates, e.g. the D one showing SL Kirmann, I don't see any obvious difference. All mamelukes seem to have different colorful variation of their overall oriental outfit anyway.
Thanks!
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FWIW, it also looks pretty close to some of my Knotel plates. It is a beautiful piece.
 
I'd be more than happy to elaborate on the mameluk uniform and the AIG figure.

Let me begin by stating that the AIG mameluk figure is an outstanding piece of sculpting and painting, and I for one am happy to see them active again.

The history of the mameluk uniform is very complex. It is important to note that the uniform went through numerous changes for the original mameluks and later on for the French or Second mameluks.

So on to the topic. First, there is no documentation of blue reins or bridles being used by the mameluks as shown on the AIG figure.

The crescent on the schabraque is incorrect. This is simply conjecture, as there is no evidence it was included on the schabraque. The color of the schabraque, blue is inaccurate for the time period the AIG figure depicts. Had the AIG figure intended to show a mameluk squadron leader of 1805, it would be correct (as per Hoffmann's planche), but the uniform of the figure is for 1807-1815.

Lastly the color of the plume on the cahouk is incorrect. It should be either white or black, not blue. Experts may argue either color and have documentation to validate their theory.

The trouble with uniform inaccuracies is that they have been accepted by past generations of researchers as fact, when indeed they are incorrect.

I applaud AIG's effort on their mameluk figure and only hope that they will expand this series, as I am a collector of mameluk figures, books, artwork and planches. In the toy soldier world, their is not much choice. Hopefully such companies as K&C. and First Legion will produce some.

Lastly, I would be remiss is I did not back up my statements with documentation. I consulted the following works for this response:

*"Les Uniformes du Premier Empire- La Garde Imperial- Troupes a Cheval"
by E.L.Bucquoy
*"Napoleon's Cavalry" by Emir Bukhair
*"Les Mamelouks de Napoleon" by Jean Savant
*"Soldats d'Autrefois" by Lucien Rousselot
*"La Garde Imperiale" by L.Fallou
Planche by Hoffmann
 
I forgot to add the following source I used in my previous post, a most outstanding work on the history and uniform's of the mameluk's:

"Garde Imperiale Mameluks" by Raoul and Jean Brunon.

Russ
 
Thanks Russ for the comprehensive information on this very topic! You seem to be an expert on this one, so I won't argue with you. You even took the nickname of Napoléon's first mameluke servant ;).
I too like these very colorful and intrepid soldiers. Their history is indeed very interesting. I am with you on the fact that we are overdue for a massive production of mamelukes by our favorite TS makers. I would love to see a set illustrating their charges at Austerlitz or Waterloo! :D
 
Not to get out of thread but Imperial also produces some lovely mamelukes, in gloss of course.

Paulo
 
Imperial's mameluks are very nice.

Mignot of course also offers them. There is quite a bit a variety when it comes to the uniforms, depending on the date of manufacture. They also offer Kirmann, and Roustam.

The best in my opinion is Lucotte. The older sets are simply outstanding. In the new Lucotte range there is an outstanding mounted 12 piece mameluk band and a dynamic 6 piece set of the guard of the eagle, complete with 4 tougs, along with the standard 6 piece set.

Russ
 
Roustam said:
Imperial's mameluks are very nice.

Mignot of course also offers them. There is quite a bit a variety when it comes to the uniforms, depending on the date of manufacture. They also offer Kirmann, and Roustam.

The best in my opinion is Lucotte. The older sets are simply outstanding. In the new Lucotte range there is an outstanding mounted 12 piece mameluk band and a dynamic 6 piece set of the guard of the eagle, complete with 4 tougs, along with the standard 6 piece set.

Russ
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Mignot's and Lucotte's range look fantastic, different even more toy like toy soldier but such a lot of charm and a very extensive quality range, lovely boxes, at least from what I see on the net. Unfortunately out of my possible options for now. But hey, who knows in the future, judging from the past they will still go on for another 200 years:D!

Paulo
 
Grognard said:
Thanks Russ for the comprehensive information on this very topic! You seem to be an expert on this one, so I won't argue with you. You even took the nickname of Napoléon's first mameluke servant ;).
I too like these very colorful and intrepid soldiers. Their history is indeed very interesting. I am with you on the fact that we are overdue for a massive production of mamelukes by our favorite TS makers. I would love to see a set illustrating their charges at Austerlitz or Waterloo! :D
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Waterloo?! What Mameluke units served at Waterloo?
 
I missed the Flagbearer, but got the kettle drummer, I wish I knew who nabbed the flag!!!!!!!

TD
 
Scarlet Pimpernel said:
Waterloo?! What Mameluke units served at Waterloo?
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They were part of the Old Guard Light Calvary under General Lefebvre-Desnouettes. They were engaged against the British squares on June 18th after taking position near Mont-Jean. Tjhe mameluke squadron was incorporated into the Chasseurs à Cheval de la Garde.
 
tdubel said:
I missed the Flagbearer, but got the kettle drummer, I wish I knew who nabbed the flag!!!!!!!

TD
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I don't know...but he got it at the buy in now price of $50. Thought about it myself. That seller is pretty fantastic too. I've bought a few things from him in the past.
 
Grognard said:
They were part of the Old Guard Light Calvary under General Lefebvre-Desnouettes. They were engaged against the British squares on June 18th after taking position near Mont-Jean. Tjhe mameluke squadron was incorporated into the Chasseurs à Cheval de la Garde.
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Well...I find that fascinating and did not know that...so I thought I would check out the details. I think the quote from Adkin "Waterloo Companion" p.248 is interesting and supports what you are saying, but it seems unlikely that Mamelukes would have been recognizable at Waterloo:

"In April 1815 Napoleon issued an Imperial Decree stating that the Chasseurs a Cheval of the Guard would be augmented by a Mameluke squadron of two companies. The special uniforms were ordered and according to the quartermaster's registers many of them were issued. Nevertheless, although a number joined prior to Waterloo they appear to have been taken onto the rolls of the Guard Chasseurs or Lancers in an indiscriminate way rather than as a separate squadron. No comtemporary witnesses mention a Mameluke squadron at the battle, so it is most likely that they fought as individuals in the ranks of the Guard Chasseurs a Cheval, like Major Renno and Captain Abdallah (both Mameluke veterans), or in the Red Lancers."

Interesting!
 
Osprey Napoleon's Mamelukes has a plate (H) on their uniforms in 1813-1814 where you can see that they started to lose their oriental characteristics and look more like regular Chasseurs'...
 
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