Avoiding First Legion VS other makers? Mismatch or misunderstanding? (1 Viewer)

[Tiger.Hunter]

I recently ordered my first First Legion armor piece along with a K&C armor piece from a major hobby e-tailer. They kindly gave me this warning:

We would not use these [First Legion products] with existing King & Country, Collectors Showcase and Figarti Collections. The reason is that these figures and vehicles are noticeably bigger and the First Legion are smaller in size.

This is pretty strong advice since the seller was likely to be reducing my purchase by half. (I instead substituted for a 1:30 Figarti piece, in part as a thank you to the dealer, and in part because I found another Figart tank that I "needed"). And they are a First Legion retailer too. So why the warning? A) I have to think that they have had significant customer dissatisfaction and costly returns. B) They must be making a truthful clarification that heads off more costly returns and ticked off customers.

I didnt have to dig far before I found that First Legion has a whole PAGE on scale and relative size, which is fairly defensive in tone and reads like something drafted by PR and Legal -- not the designers or artists.

It says:
All of our painted figure ranges are 60mm or true 1/30th in scale. Please note that we have changed our descriptions from 54mm to 60mm simply because it more accurately describes the actual size of the figures. We have not changed the size of the figures, only the classifications!

Ahem. That smells like a not-so-small attempt at reality distortion. Why, exactly, would they NOT have known the correct scale up front? Is this competitive marketing spin trying to make up for a product design problem? Clearly having First Legion NOT able to mix and match with other true 1:30 products like Figarti and K&C would be a deal breaker for many collectors.

My trusted professional source continues to say:
We recommend First Legion WWII as a unique collection, and not one we would mix and match. We are just concerned that VEH005 may not fit in with the scale you collect.

As a 1/30th-only collector, I DON'T want a "unique" new size, and I suspect most collectors don't either. I categorically just DON'T BUY 1:32, much less 1:31!

However, I have not personally compared the two types of vehicles, though the few First Legion figures I have DO appear to be a bit shorter and thinner.

So what do the Toy Soldier Forum Experts have to say? Have you have done a good comparison of First Legion vs. other well matched 1/30 such as King and Country, Figarti and Collectors Showcase? Discerning collectors want to know!

Hunter
A 1:30th (only!) Collector
NOT a competitor or industry insider

 

[bradleyl30]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

I gave a more exhaustive answer on the TCS thread you started on the same topic.

I have seen some great examples of Figarti vehicles going great with FL figures and vehicles.

 

[uksubs]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

I recently ordered my first First Legion armor piece along with a K&C armor piece from a major hobby e-tailer. They kindly gave me this warning:

We would not use these [First Legion products] with existing King & Country, Collectors Showcase and Figarti Collections. The reason is that these figures and vehicles are noticeably bigger and the First Legion are smaller in size.

This is pretty strong advice since the seller was likely to be reducing my purchase by half. (I instead substituted for a 1:30 Figarti piece, in part as a thank you to the dealer, and in part because I found another Figart tank that I "needed"). And they are a First Legion retailer too. So why the warning? A) I have to think that they have had significant customer dissatisfaction and costly returns. B) They must be making a truthful clarification that heads off more costly returns and ticked off customers.

I didnt have to dig far before I found that First Legion has a whole PAGE on scale and relative size, which is fairly defensive in tone and reads like something drafted by PR and Legal -- not the designers or artists.

It says:
All of our painted figure ranges are 60mm or true 1/30th in scale. Please note that we have changed our descriptions from 54mm to 60mm simply because it more accurately describes the actual size of the figures. We have not changed the size of the figures, only the classifications!

Ahem. That smells like a not-so-small attempt at reality distortion. Why, exactly, would they NOT have known the correct scale up front? Is this competitive marketing spin trying to make up for a product design problem? Clearly having First Legion NOT able to mix and match with other true 1:30 products like Figarti and K&C would be a deal breaker for many collectors.

My trusted professional source continues to say:
We recommend First Legion WWII as a unique collection, and not one we would mix and match. We are just concerned that VEH005 may not fit in with the scale you collect.

As a 1/30th-only collector, I DON'T want a "unique" new size, and I suspect most collectors don't either. I categorically just DON'T BUY 1:32, much less 1:31!

However, I have not personally compared the two types of vehicles, though the few First Legion figures I have DO appear to be a bit shorter and thinner.

So what do the Toy Soldier Forum Experts have to say? Have you have done a good comparison of First Legion vs. other well matched 1/30 such as King and Country, Figarti and Collectors Showcase? Discerning collectors want to know!

Hunter
A 1:30th (only!) Collector
NOT a competitor or industry insider

I think it would be good to see how fl armour match up with Figarti and Cs as there no shop near me

 

[Vezzolf]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

NO!.....You're wrong....First Legion is 1:30 scale for figures and WWII AFV's....No Question that they are 1:30th...Very accurate/detailed....K/C figures are 1:28th and are oversized for their 1:30th scale armour..CS is 1:28th with 1:28th scale AFV's....The most recent Figarti AFV's are 1:30th and work very well with First Legion 1:30th figures....That's it in a nutshell...Lastly you will not find better quality, detail, paint and size consistency then First Legion....Figarti AFV's work very well with FL in size and more importantly "style" and detail....FL does not work well with K/C AFV's the "style is too different"..... K/C figures(1:28th) do not work well with Figarti(1:30th) they are better suited to CS(1:28th).......That's my take on it and I'm sticking to it:salute::.....First Legion and Figarti match very well.

 

[The Military Workshop]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

NO!.....You're wrong....First Legion is 1:30 scale for figures and WWII AFV's....No Question that they are 1:30th...Very accurate/detailed.....

Vezzolf,
You are saying somebody else is wrong and in the same sentence saying FL is 1:30 scale for figures.

So when you say they are 1:30 "no question" are you still trying to maintain that the two figures (Vietnam and WWII German) as posted here

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/fo...-Waffen-SS-for-the-Battle-of-Normandy!!/page6

are both the same scale ? If they are not the same scale could you tell us which is 1:30 and what scale
the other figure is ?

Thanks for your help in this matter as I know you are an expert in this field.

Regards
Brett

 

[Mitch]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Not sure who your trusted source is but, if they are trusted why ask the forum for opinions? Would you not accept their prose and buy what you feel suits your collection. As I mentioned elsewhere its your collection your money so, you buy what pleases your eye. If that means using FL armour and say K&C figures then if your happy with the mix that is all that counts.

As you will clearly be able to see there is little objectivity in some of the replies. your post has been highlighted as one that will blow up or similar but, that is down to the way people are unable to discuss Toy soldiers rationally without having the baggage of an emotional preference or tie to a company overcoming their objectivity about what is on show to discuss.

As Frank has mentioned if you want harmony (whatever that may be) then just buy FL and have their figures and AFV's. FL have stated that within a specific range their products will be consistent so, from that if you collect WWII they will be the same size (I don't use scale as that is different) another range will be a different size possibly larger as some I have are.

I know one collector who buys K&C figures and uses FOV armour and is happy as the proverbial pig in it! so, hopefully you have your answer and will post pics of what your final choice will be
Mitch

I recently ordered my first First Legion armor piece along with a K&C armor piece from a major hobby e-tailer. They kindly gave me this warning:

We would not use these [First Legion products] with existing King & Country, Collectors Showcase and Figarti Collections. The reason is that these figures and vehicles are noticeably bigger and the First Legion are smaller in size.

This is pretty strong advice since the seller was likely to be reducing my purchase by half. (I instead substituted for a 1:30 Figarti piece, in part as a thank you to the dealer, and in part because I found another Figart tank that I "needed"). And they are a First Legion retailer too. So why the warning? A) I have to think that they have had significant customer dissatisfaction and costly returns. B) They must be making a truthful clarification that heads off more costly returns and ticked off customers.

I didnt have to dig far before I found that First Legion has a whole PAGE on scale and relative size, which is fairly defensive in tone and reads like something drafted by PR and Legal -- not the designers or artists.

It says:
All of our painted figure ranges are 60mm or true 1/30th in scale. Please note that we have changed our descriptions from 54mm to 60mm simply because it more accurately describes the actual size of the figures. We have not changed the size of the figures, only the classifications!

Ahem. That smells like a not-so-small attempt at reality distortion. Why, exactly, would they NOT have known the correct scale up front? Is this competitive marketing spin trying to make up for a product design problem? Clearly having First Legion NOT able to mix and match with other true 1:30 products like Figarti and K&C would be a deal breaker for many collectors.

My trusted professional source continues to say:
We recommend First Legion WWII as a unique collection, and not one we would mix and match. We are just concerned that VEH005 may not fit in with the scale you collect.

As a 1/30th-only collector, I DON'T want a "unique" new size, and I suspect most collectors don't either. I categorically just DON'T BUY 1:32, much less 1:31!

However, I have not personally compared the two types of vehicles, though the few First Legion figures I have DO appear to be a bit shorter and thinner.

So what do the Toy Soldier Forum Experts have to say? Have you have done a good comparison of First Legion vs. other well matched 1/30 such as King and Country, Figarti and Collectors Showcase? Discerning collectors want to know!

Hunter
A 1:30th (only!) Collector
NOT a competitor or industry insider

 

[Vezzolf]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Vezzolf,
You are saying somebody else is wrong and in the same sentence saying FL is 1:30 scale for figures.

So when you say they are 1:30 "no question" are you still trying to maintain that the two figures (Vietnam and WWII German) as posted here

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/fo...-Waffen-SS-for-the-Battle-of-Normandy!!/page6

are both the same scale ? If they are not the same scale could you tell us which is 1:30 and what scale
the other figure is ?

Thanks for your help in this matter as I know you are an expert in this field.

Regards
Brett

Yes Brett, I will be very glad to help you:wink2:.... I believe I am VERY correct... First Legion is 1:30th....and as "we" all know you are a K/C dealer who does not sell FL products. Regards Frank

 

[janusz]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

1/32 is 54mm
1/30 if 60mm
Measured from ground to eyes. At least that what I always believed, and I'm in this business more than 20 years (as a collector only). I'm sure many people will not agree with me and will come with other scaling rules...

According to above system and measuring my First Legion NAPOLEONIC figures they are 1:31, not 1:30.
I had Collectors Showcase NAPOLEONIC figures not long time ago, they were much bigger, about 1:28 I think, but I don't have them in my hands now to be sure. King & Country I never had.
Personally, I'm glad that First Legion figures are not bigger, because they are matching Saint Petersburg figures, and these 2 are highest quality figures available, whatever whoever believes. Also metal/resign kits available from different producers are 1:31 or 1:32.

I agree it's a pitty that different producers make different sizes, but finally it's their right, and out right to choose which to buy.
Cheers
Janusz

 

[TomNT]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Yes Brett, I will be very glad to help you:wink2:.... I believe I am VERY correct... First Legion is 1:30th....and as "we" all know you are a K/C dealer who does not sell FL products. Regards Frank

Frank

I collect some FL WW2 AK vehicles (and a few figures) and I do not believe they are true 1:30 scale. I do like their gear but I think they are undersized. For the sake of the forum could we please cut out this "true 1:30 scale" business as it's getting old and tiresome and this endless point scoring is really childish.

Tom

 

[Vezzolf]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Tom, I think FL is best descibed as 1:30th as do many others on this forum....What scale do you think they are??? we all have our view-points I guess....that's what makes for a good, honest forum discussion. Best Frank

 

[TomNT]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Tom, I think FL is best descibed as 1:30th as do many others on this forum....What scale do you think they are??? we all have our view-points I guess....that's what makes for a good, honest forum discussion. Best Frank

Good, honest forum discussion is one thing, harping on the issue is another. Since this is a Figarti thread and not FL, I am not going to say anymore on the subject after this post but I will say the driver in my FL DAK German SdKfz 7 8 Ton Prime Mover is undersized and probably 1:32 scale.

Tom

 

[Mitch]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

I think scale accuracy detail cost are all rather important features of the hobby that concern a great number of people. Its also fair to say a number don't care but, what some consider ''harping on'' is exactly what the forum is for if one looks back at the years of this thread scale has been one of those discussions that has been mentioned a number of times and, the reasoning is because it is important to collectors and that manufacturers in a hobby that encompasses 1/30th scale as its feature have played around for many years and still do with the issue.

Surely if manufacturers are having issues then its hardly surprising that some collectors find it perplexing and wish to discuss it. However many times it is discussed there are always new people joining who don't know, understand about these issues so, we should not try to stifle discussion because it seems rather boring or been beaten to death to some.

If one does not like or have an interest then don't read, reply or participate. over 2,000 people on here all with different tastes, approaches, interest and understandings and I am happy to hear them all however many times they wish to say it
Mitch

 

[Firebat]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

I think scale accuracy detail cost are all rather important features of the hobby that concern a great number of people. Its also fair to say a number don't care but, what some consider ''harping on'' is exactly what the forum is for if one looks back at the years of this thread scale has been one of those discussions that has been mentioned a number of times and, the reasoning is because it is important to collectors and that manufacturers in a hobby that encompasses 1/30th scale as its feature have played around for many years and still do with the issue.

Surely if manufacturers are having issues then its hardly surprising that some collectors find it perplexing and wish to discuss it. However many times it is discussed there are always new people joining who don't know, understand about these issues so, we should not try to stifle discussion because it seems rather boring or been beaten to death to some.

If one does not like or have an interest then don't read, reply or participate. over 2,000 people on here all with different tastes, approaches, interest and understandings and I am happy to hear them all however many times they wish to say it
Mitch

I think everyone must be waiting for me to stir the pot in on this issue, because it is well know this is major concern of mine. All I can say is Mitch did a good job in summing it up.

AND...I have found my peace with the issue....... There are ways of conquering this, even if the manufacturers will not address the issue, which they won't. If anyone wants to get into this deeper look up my many posts on the issue. I stand by what I have stated in the past and I think I have provided some accurate guidelines on the subject. Alex

 

[Harper (aka Spitfrnd)]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

I recently ordered my first First Legion armor piece along with a K&C armor piece from a major hobby e-tailer. They kindly gave me this warning:

We would not use these [First Legion products] with existing King & Country, Collectors Showcase and Figarti Collections. The reason is that these figures and vehicles are noticeably bigger and the First Legion are smaller in size.

This is pretty strong advice since the seller was likely to be reducing my purchase by half. (I instead substituted for a 1:30 Figarti piece, in part as a thank you to the dealer, and in part because I found another Figart tank that I "needed"). And they are a First Legion retailer too. So why the warning? A) I have to think that they have had significant customer dissatisfaction and costly returns. B) They must be making a truthful clarification that heads off more costly returns and ticked off customers.

I am afraid that conclusion appears less than objective. There are many reasons why mixing manufacturer styles may not work and relative size is only one. As to size, there is little doubt that the scale of various of the lines listed above is different for different releases and the dealers so called warning, while less than completely accurate, could have simply been an appropriate caution to apprise his customers that products from these lines do have their differences, in style and accuracy, as well as size. Without more direct evidence, it would appear that the assumption of "significant customer dissatisfaction" is simply an aspersion without basis.

I didnt have to dig far before I found that First Legion has a whole PAGE on scale and relative size, which is fairly defensive in tone and reads like something drafted by PR and Legal -- not the designers or artists.

I am not sure how much "digging" is required to view a page on a manufacturer's website that is freely accessible but I do not find the scale discussion there anything more than informative. To suggest it was drafted by PR or legal is a bit of a pejorative leap.

It says:
All of our painted figure ranges are 60mm or true 1/30th in scale. Please note that we have changed our descriptions from 54mm to 60mm simply because it more accurately describes the actual size of the figures. We have not changed the size of the figures, only the classifications!

Ahem. That smells like a not-so-small attempt at reality distortion. Why, exactly, would they NOT have known the correct scale up front? Is this competitive marketing spin trying to make up for a product design problem? Clearly having First Legion NOT able to mix and match with other true 1:30 products like Figarti and K&C would be a deal breaker for many collectors.

What is “reality distortion” about the description quoted? It reflects a simple statement of a change in the labeling of their figures which occurred early in their history. In fact, the earlier labeling was based on a well-established convention of measuring figures from the feet to the eyes and in fact the FL figures I collect do measure 54-56 mm for that purpose. From the sole to the tip of the unadorned head (another scale convention), they measure 59-61 mm, hence the most appropriate 60mm classification. Why or how that is "reality distortion" is most puzzling.

I am also afraid that the phrase “true 1:30 products like Figarti and K&C” is an oxymoron. It, of course, assumes that those products are 1:30 scale. I do not know about Figarti but the K&C figures I have are certainly not 1:30. As other posters on this thread have noted, they measure pretty close to 1:28 -1:27, unless you are using the sole to eyes convention. So perhaps it would be more accurate to simply call them K&C scale.

As a 1/30th-only collector, I DON'T want a "unique" new size, and I suspect most collectors don't either. I categorically just DON'T BUY 1:32, much less 1:31!

Perhaps you don’t but I don’t think you speak for most collectors. Moreover, you are apparently encumbered by the false assumption that all of your collection is 1:30. Unless you have some K&C figures that I have never seen, I think you will find that your collection does already include other scales than 1:30.

So what do the Toy Soldier Forum Experts have to say? Have you have done a good comparison of First Legion vs. other well matched 1/30 such as King and Country, Figarti and Collectors Showcase? Discerning collectors want to know!

I like to think I am a discerning collector and I very much appreciate the offerings I have from First Legend. Their sculpting and painting is akin to premium Russian figures for a relatively bargain price and I have found the accuracy and consistency of scale within their lines to be without equal. In the lines I collect, they do not match most of the figures from K&C and CS, not only for relative scale but also for style, as others have said. So if your interest is solely mixing them with those lines, I would suggest you are better served by staying with the lines you currently collect. I hope that is helpful.

 

[Blowtorch]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Have you have done a good comparison of First Legion vs. other well matched 1/30 such as King and Country, Figarti and Collectors Showcase?

OP, I’ve gone through my collection of vehicles since Honour Bound’s Panthers ushered in the new standard for 1/30, and have compared similar vehicles of different brands to each other, as well as 1/30 scale drawings I had previously created from Bradford’s series of books. One thing I have to warn about Bradford & scale in general is that back in the old days in the information non-highway, people, companies, etc. copied each other’s plans rather than research it themselves. The most famous case is an old plastic model kit of a Firefly Sherman (forgot the original brand), where the creator of the kit & plan was seriously off in the measurements which resulted in the Firefly model being too short in the chassis length. This error was repeated continuously over the past decades in model kits of all scales, in books, tank art, etc. It’s with us forever. That’s the one I know of…there are probably others, which is why the authors of Panzertracts are doing what they do. Bradford himself is an old timer, so I don’t know if that is a good thing (he knows all the mistakes) or a bad thing (mistakes are in his files). Anyway, here is a listing of how they compare, and if you need photos of any set, let me know.

When I say something is longer, etc., I mean it is noticeable. I don’t mean a millimeter. (I hope Firebat is reading & pays attention to the large size of the Hanomags & E8)

Hanomag

I have three, the K&C Panzer Meyer, CS first edition (not the current model), and the new K&C grey model.

Meyer is longer than Bradford
CS matches Meyer
Grey is significantly longer, wider, & taller than both.

PzIII

K&C DAK turret #2 & FL grey

Both match each other and Bradford. They also came on the market at similar times

JS2

Figarti matches Bradford

Firefly

K&C matches Bradford
Figarti is shorter

Easy Eight

CS appears significantly longer than Bradford, though hard to tell because of the frontal baggage. It is also wider and a little taller.
The K&C to my great surprise is a great match to the CS. It is a little shorter, and a little taller. They made this surprisingly large.

232 PSW

K&C matches Bradford
FL is a little shorter, but is not noticeable by direct observation. The only way to know is to measure it. The irregular surfaces blend in the difference. I mean, if I put these two models on a table & had a competition, you have to tell me if these two models are the same dimensions, and if not, which dimensions are off. If you win, you get financial security…but if you are wrong, I chop off your legs & hack off your jaw….I don’t think a person on earth would go for it. Ahhh…maybe someone.

StuGIII

K&C Grey Ausf. A is shorter & lower than Bradford
FL is noticeably larger than K&C; I think it matches Bradford but is difficult to tell

FAMO

K&C matches Bradford

White Scout Car

K&C shorter than Bradford

Tiger

Figarti matches Bradford
K&C: the last five models, Tunisian, Kursk, Winter 111, Winter 132 & Grey are about the same dimensions. Maybe off a mm in height or length, but nothing noteworthy. The biggest difference from Bradford is the length, where they are all longer. Some differ slightly in height from Bradford, but it’s negligible.

Elefant

K&C matches Bradford as far as I can tell.

Panther

K&C 304 longer than Bradford, a little lower in height

Jagdpanther

K&C 302 is hard to tell with the sandbags, but looks like a match to Bradford

Jagdpanzer IV

K&C match Bradford

T-34

Figarti (Berlin) is greater than Bradford in height
FL is lower than Bradford in height
K&C mathes Bradford height, but length & width are greater

So that’s what I have Bradford diagrams blown up to 1/30 for. If OP or anyone else needs picture comparisons on any of these, let me know

 

[Mitch]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

This is a great post
Mitch

OP, I’ve gone through my collection of vehicles since Honour Bound’s Panthers ushered in the new standard for 1/30, and have compared similar vehicles of different brands to each other, as well as 1/30 scale drawings I had previously created from Bradford’s series of books. One thing I have to warn about Bradford & scale in general is that back in the old days in the information non-highway, people, companies, etc. copied each other’s plans rather than research it themselves. The most famous case is an old plastic model kit of a Firefly Sherman (forgot the original brand), where the creator of the kit & plan was seriously off in the measurements which resulted in the Firefly model being too short in the chassis length. This error was repeated continuously over the past decades in model kits of all scales, in books, tank art, etc. It’s with us forever. That’s the one I know of…there are probably others, which is why the authors of Panzertracts are doing what they do. Bradford himself is an old timer, so I don’t know if that is a good thing (he knows all the mistakes) or a bad thing (mistakes are in his files). Anyway, here is a listing of how they compare, and if you need photos of any set, let me know.

When I say something is longer, etc., I mean it is noticeable. I don’t mean a millimeter. (I hope Firebat is reading & pays attention to the large size of the Hanomags & E8)

Hanomag

I have three, the K&C Panzer Meyer, CS first edition (not the current model), and the new K&C grey model.

Meyer is longer than Bradford
CS matches Meyer
Grey is significantly longer, wider, & taller than both.

PzIII

K&C DAK turret #2 & FL grey

Both match each other and Bradford. They also came on the market at similar times

JS2

Figarti matches Bradford

Firefly

K&C matches Bradford
Figarti is shorter

Easy Eight

CS appears significantly longer than Bradford, though hard to tell because of the frontal baggage. It is also wider and a little taller.
The K&C to my great surprise is a great match to the CS. It is a little shorter, and a little taller. They made this surprisingly large.

232 PSW

K&C matches Bradford
FL is a little shorter, but is not noticeable by direct observation. The only way to know is to measure it. The irregular surfaces blend in the difference. I mean, if I put these two models on a table & had a competition, you have to tell me if these two models are the same dimensions, and if not, which dimensions are off. If you win, you get financial security…but if you are wrong, I chop off your legs & hack off your jaw….I don’t think a person on earth would go for it. Ahhh…maybe someone.

StuGIII

K&C Grey Ausf. A is shorter & lower than Bradford
FL is noticeably larger than K&C; I think it matches Bradford but is difficult to tell

FAMO

K&C matches Bradford

White Scout Car

K&C shorter than Bradford

Tiger

Figarti matches Bradford
K&C: the last five models, Tunisian, Kursk, Winter 111, Winter 132 & Grey are about the same dimensions. Maybe off a mm in height or length, but nothing noteworthy. The biggest difference from Bradford is the length, where they are all longer. Some differ slightly in height from Bradford, but it’s negligible.

Elefant

K&C matches Bradford as far as I can tell.

Panther

K&C 304 longer than Bradford, a little lower in height

Jagdpanther

K&C 302 is hard to tell with the sandbags, but looks like a match to Bradford

Jagdpanzer IV

K&C match Bradford

T-34

Figarti (Berlin) is greater than Bradford in height
FL is lower than Bradford in height
K&C mathes Bradford height, but length & width are greater

So that’s what I have Bradford diagrams blown up to 1/30 for. If OP or anyone else needs picture comparisons on any of these, let me know

 

[Blowtorch]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

This is a great post
Mitch

Thanks. But reading again it seems I used an ambiguous term. "Shorter" refers to chassis length; not vehicle height

 

[uksubs]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Thanks. But reading again it seems I used an ambiguous term. "Shorter" refers to chassis length; not vehicle height

Are be interested if you have the information on fl,Figarti and Cs seven ton prime movers ?

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Good post on size comparisons. Some of them surprise me.

I have only a few comparisons I can make - I'll have a look.

This discussion should really be in a general area as you are referencing the models of so many manufacturers.

Terry

 

[Blowtorch]

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Are be interested if you have the information on fl,Figarti and Cs seven ton prime movers ?

Sd.Kfz.7

I only have the K&C, and I did have the Bradford diagram blown up for it. It's a good match overall. The engine hood is a bit low on the model compared with Bradford, but other than that a good match to the drawing. So maybe if others have the other brands which can be compared to the K&C, that can help you

This discussion should really be in a general area as you are referencing the models of so many manufacturers.

Terry

Good idea if the Mod wants to move it