Avoiding First Legion VS other makers? Mismatch or misunderstanding? (2 Viewers)

Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Surely a dealer would not question a sale? Seems a bit strange to me that a dealer would say this, what if you just wanted on of the pieces for a cabinet?

Hmm...

Scott
 
Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Sd.Kfz.7

I only have the K&C, and I did have the Bradford diagram blown up for it. It's a good match overall. The engine hood is a bit low on the model compared with Bradford, but other than that a good match to the drawing. So maybe if others have the other brands which can be compared to the K&C, that can
Cheer for that , are be interested to find out if Cs prime mover 1/30 scale
 
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Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

I have the K&C and Figarti Sd.Kfz. 7. The Figarti model is larger and I thought that was because K&C WS052 was old enough to be 1:32 scale. So I measured them.

The Sd.Kfz.7 is 6.85 m long (22' 6") and 2.35 m (7' 9") wide and 2.62 m (8' 7") tall. (Lexikon der Wehrmacht)

The Figarti is 23.4 cm long (1:29.3) and 8.4 cm wide (1:28)
The K&C Sd.Kfz.7 is right on 1:30 for length and width (it's 22.7 cm long and 7.8 cm wide).

Side by side, the Figarti looks much bigger (wider and taller) and the figures match it's size better, but the shape looks off - not long enough for the width while the K&C looks like the right shape. IMO they do not look good together at all.

The FL model should be the same dimensions as the K&C model which is 1:30. I don't know the dimensions of the CS model.

Terry
 
Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

I have the K&C and Figarti Sd.Kfz. 7. The Figarti model is larger and I thought that was because K&C WS052 was old enough to be 1:32 scale. So I measured them.

The Sd.Kfz.7 is 6.85 m long (22' 6") and 2.35 m (7' 9") wide and 2.62 m (8' 7") tall. (Lexikon der Wehrmacht)

The Figarti is 23.4 cm long (1:29.3) and 8.4 cm wide (1:28)
The K&C Sd.Kfz.7 is right on 1:30 for length and width (it's 22.7 cm long and 7.8 cm wide).

Side by side, the Figarti looks much bigger (wider and taller) and the figures match it's size better, but the shape looks off - not long enough for the width while the K&C looks like the right shape. IMO they do not look good together at all.

The FL model should be the same dimensions as the K&C model which is 1:30. I don't know the dimensions of the CS model.

Terry
Thank Terry
 
Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

1/32 is 54mm
1/30 if 60mm
Measured from ground to eyes. At least that what I always believed, and I'm in this business more than 20 years (as a collector only). I'm sure many people will not agree with me and will come with other scaling rules...

According to above system and measuring my First Legion NAPOLEONIC figures they are 1:31, not 1:30.
I had Collectors Showcase NAPOLEONIC figures not long time ago, they were much bigger, about 1:28 I think, but I don't have them in my hands now to be sure. King & Country I never had.
Personally, I'm glad that First Legion figures are not bigger, because they are matching Saint Petersburg figures, and these 2 are highest quality figures available, whatever whoever believes. Also metal/resign kits available from different producers are 1:31 or 1:32.

I agree it's a pitty that different producers make different sizes, but finally it's their right, and out right to choose which to buy.
Cheers
Janusz

Please don't measure to the eye, measure to the top of the head. When was the last time you gave your hight measurements to your eyes?
 
Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

I am afraid that conclusion appears less than objective. There are many reasons why mixing manufacturer styles may not work and relative size is only one. As to size, there is little doubt that the scale of various of the lines listed above is different for different releases and the dealers so called warning, while less than completely accurate, could have simply been an appropriate caution to apprise his customers that products from these lines do have their differences, in style and accuracy, as well as size. Without more direct evidence, it would appear that the assumption of "significant customer dissatisfaction" is simply an aspersion without basis.



I am not sure how much "digging" is required to view a page on a manufacturer's website that is freely accessible but I do not find the scale discussion there anything more than informative. To suggest it was drafted by PR or legal is a bit of a pejorative leap.



What is “reality distortion” about the description quoted? It reflects a simple statement of a change in the labeling of their figures which occurred early in their history. In fact, the earlier labeling was based on a well-established convention of measuring figures from the feet to the eyes and in fact the FL figures I collect do measure 54-56 mm for that purpose. From the sole to the tip of the unadorned head (another scale convention), they measure 59-61 mm, hence the most appropriate 60mm classification. Why or how that is "reality distortion" is most puzzling.

I am also afraid that the phrase “true 1:30 products like Figarti and K&C” is an oxymoron. It, of course, assumes that those products are 1:30 scale. I do not know about Figarti but the K&C figures I have are certainly not 1:30. As other posters on this thread have noted, they measure pretty close to 1:28 -1:27, unless you are using the sole to eyes convention. So perhaps it would be more accurate to simply call them K&C scale.


Perhaps you don’t but I don’t think you speak for most collectors. Moreover, you are apparently encumbered by the false assumption that all of your collection is 1:30. Unless you have some K&C figures that I have never seen, I think you will find that your collection does already include other scales than 1:30.



I like to think I am a discerning collector and I very much appreciate the offerings I have from First Legend. Their sculpting and painting is akin to premium Russian figures for a relatively bargain price and I have found the accuracy and consistency of scale within their lines to be without equal. In the lines I collect, they do not match most of the figures from K&C and CS, not only for relative scale but also for style, as others have said. So if your interest is solely mixing them with those lines, I would suggest you are better served by staying with the lines you currently collect. I hope that is helpful.

Very interesting post Harper (Is that Harper from Sharpe by any chance??). Actually your writing style reminds me of another member who no longer posts:smile2:

All the best

Rob
 
To me the Answer is simple. Collect what you enjoy and don't let anyone influence what you collect. TS should make you happy. Not stress out about them. Brad
 
Avoiding First Legion VS other makers? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Yawn yawn who cares do what you want.
 
Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Very interesting post Harper (Is that Harper from Sharpe by any chance??). Actually your writing style reminds me of another member who no longer posts:smile2:

All the best

Rob
Thanks if that was meant as a compliment. Just trying to call things the way I see them. Yes I do enjoy the Sharpe series.
 
Re: Should Figarti 1:30 collectors avoid First Legion? Mismatch or misunderstanding?

Thanks if that was meant as a compliment. Just trying to call things the way I see them. Yes I do enjoy the Sharpe series.

It was:salute:: Sharpe was an enjoyable ' Romp' as they say and hugely popular at the time if I recall, although the budget limitations showed up a bit in the Waterloo episode, still as I say enjoyable despite that.

Rob
 

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