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Here we have the nonsensical drivel of the Yankee fan. Since they can't point to recent history, they pull out all the old warhorses of ancient history, forgetting that their team is now the third team in the division and will likely reamain so for many a year unless the Yankees can go out and buy all the free agents out there. They seem to forget that since 2000, the Red Sox have been ascendant while the Yankees on the downward spiral. I guess they would like to forget losing four straight in 2004 after being up 3-0, the only time that's been done in baseball. And since the Aaron Boone game what do they have show for it but first round play off failures?

The Sox have managed to win a championship and stay close to the top while practically turning over the team in 3 years, bringing in Youkilis, Pedroia (who may win MVP this year), Lowrie, Masterson, Lester and Ellsbury from the farm, not to mention Beckett and Lowell in trades. What do the Yankees have to show for that in that time? Jaba and that's about it. Cano flopped this year and Melky is a bust. Maybe they should bring back Bernie :rolleyes:. It's an aging team and unless vast changes are made, they're going to be in the same situation, if not worse, than last year.

Mike Francesa, one of the hosts on WFAN, one of the top sports stations in the country (www.wfan.com) and a huge (and I mean huge Yankee fan) said it best this weekend: the Red Sox play like the Yankees used to between 1996 and 2000.

Face facts, you're going to be third as the Rays and Red Sox continue to battle it out.

Ah, the nonsensical drival of the Mets fan . . . your team never wins anything, blows huge leads in an easy division year after year, and then has the nerve to bad mouth the greatest team in the history of sports. Brad, the fact of the matter is that the Yankees will go out in the free agent market, reload with an ace starter and a top notch first baseman, will get their injured top level starter (Wang) back, will win the Division again, and will win number 27. Maybe in 5 of 6 centuries, your Mets and will have that many championships. The difference between Yankees and Mets fans is we don't care about anything but (1) the Yankees winning the Championship and (2) preventing the Red Sox (the only team we hate and respect) from winning the Championship. The Mets are just a blip on the radar screen. I actually route for them when the Yanks are out of it, because they are from New York, that's how little I worry about the Mets as a competitor to the Yankees. Mets fans on the other hand, hate the Yankees and never pull for them, because they have nothing really to route for every year. Common, two titles in 55 years. Pathetic.
 
What does this have to do with the Mets? Not a thing. Did I mention the Mets? No. I, at least, admit the Phillies are the better team and very likely to win the World Series. In fact, I'll probably be rooting for them.

What's incredibly pathetic is how the Yankee fans think how they can just go out and buy another one. Look at the reality and not the rhetoric: Catching, Posada was hurt last year and is getting on; First base, Texeira likely to stay with the Angels; Second base, Cano is a question mark; Shortstop, solid but Jeter is getting older; third base, ARod (need I say more?, he of the hand chop); Outfield, a huge hole: Matsui and Damon are not what the used to be and the Yankees are probably letting Abreu walk; relief pitching, unless Jobba is back as the setup man, you need a setup man; and starting pitching, Mussina, apparently retiring, Pettite, not the same, Jobba, a positive, Wang, and maybe CC, but allegedly he wants to either stay in the NL and/or be in California. One possibility is Peevey from the Padres. They're looking to move him. This is an old team and they need to get young quickly.

Then, you look at the competition, Rays future is incredibly bright, now reaping all those draft picks and the Red Sox will be strong, with a hole or two (catcher, but the rumor is they're going to offer Varitek a two year deal to ease the transition).

Those are the facts of the AL East bud.
 
Yes, very interesting, the way things turned out in the AL. I expected the Red Sox to take it to the Rays, when the ALCS went back to Tampa. And they certainly made it exciting.

As a Phillies fan, I'm just glad they won the pennant, but as a baseball fan, I'm thrilled for Tampa Bay and her fans, what a Cinderella story. Season after season of a losing record, and then finally, division title, then league pennant.

Now I'm hoping that the Phils' bats wake up. They need to hit consistently, everyone in the order, and not rely on a big inning here or there, and on pitching, to carry them through.

Still, Rollins' lead-off homer in his first at-bat in Game 5 was sweet, and I thought to myself, "As Rollins goes, so goes the rest of the order."

And Hamels has been outstanding, and Blanton, too, has pitched much better than he did during the regular season.

Can't wait for Wednesday night!

Prosit!
Brad
 
Now the CUBS are changing their name to the CUBSO to stand for Completely Useless By September and October.
 
What does this have to do with the Mets? Not a thing. Did I mention the Mets? No. I, at least, admit the Phillies are the better team and very likely to win the World Series. In fact, I'll probably be rooting for them.

What's incredibly pathetic is how the Yankee fans think how they can just go out and buy another one. Look at the reality and not the rhetoric: Catching, Posada was hurt last year and is getting on; First base, Texeira likely to stay with the Angels; Second base, Cano is a question mark; Shortstop, solid but Jeter is getting older; third base, ARod (need I say more?, he of the hand chop); Outfield, a huge hole: Matsui and Damon are not what the used to be and the Yankees are probably letting Abreu walk; relief pitching, unless Jobba is back as the setup man, you need a setup man; and starting pitching, Mussina, apparently retiring, Pettite, not the same, Jobba, a positive, Wang, and maybe CC, but allegedly he wants to either stay in the NL and/or be in California. One possibility is Peevey from the Padres. They're looking to move him. This is an old team and they need to get young quickly.

Then, you look at the competition, Rays future is incredibly bright, now reaping all those draft picks and the Red Sox will be strong, with a hole or two (catcher, but the rumor is they're going to offer Varitek a two year deal to ease the transition).

Those are the facts of the AL East bud.

Cano has one bad year and he's a question mark? Okay, if you say so. I'm not panicking. What is your basis for Texiera staying in Anaheim? What offer have they made to him? The Angels are going to lose either Texiera or K-Rod or both, they can't afford to sign them. Matsui is a question mark too? Despite the fact that before his injury he was hitting .316 for the first two months of the season. Damon is not what he used to be but he is serviceable left fielder who still hit over .300. Jeter's getting older, but he still played stellar defense and hit over .300 despite playing more than half the season with a wrist injury. A-Rod I agree is a choke artist, but, frankly, his inability to hit in the playoffs is not the reason the Yankees lose in the first round, it is (1) the lack of a legitimate ace starter to win two games each series and (2) the incredible poor handling of the bullpen by former Yankees manager Joe Torre (I have been pulling for his removal since 2002, and he was equally inefficient in his use of the bullpen in the NLCS). At catcher, the Yankees presently have Posada, Pudge Rodriguez (perhaps the greatest catcher of all time) and Javier Molina (who threw out the highest percentage of runners of anyone in the Majors last year), not exactly a weakness in my eyes. Mussina came out of nowhere last season, I frankly thought he was all washed up, and he won 20 games. If he retires with only 30 wins to go for 300, I will be shocked, but admittedly, he is a question mark. Pettite had an off year, but still won double digit games, and is certainly a solid number 3 or 4 starter. Wang, before his injury, was on his way to another 19+ win season, and will be a good number 2 or a fantastic number 3. Joba Chamberlain had a 2.16 ERA as a starter, and has ace stuff as a number 2. The Yankees sign CC Sabathia, a legit ace, and they will have one of the top rotations in the AL. Pencil in K-Rod in the bullpen as the heir apparent to Mo, who has stated he will not pitch past the end of his contract in 2010, and the bull pen is fantastic as well.

All the great young players on the Rays will be playing elsewhere in a season or two, as the Rays have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball, and, like the Marlins after their championship, these young players will leave as free agents.

The Red Sox are still a great team, but (1) with the loss of Schilling and the injury to Beckett, the Rays had better starting pitching, and (2) I don't care what anyone says about Manny being Manny, he is the best clutch hitter I have ever seen. Without him Big Poppi just couldn't carry the team like he and Manny had in past playoff series. The Rays were able to beat Lester twice, so I am not sure he is going to be the kind of money pitcher that Schilling and Beckett were. With Beckett's velocity down to 91-92 on his fastball, the Rays were able to knock him all over the park in his first start, although he did seem to get it back in game six, giving up only 2 runs.

I believe the Yankees will reload on pitching, as they did in the '90's (signing David Cone, Roger Clemmons, David Wells, Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez, and, belatedly, in 2001, Mike Mussina), spending their money on Sabathia and K-Rod, and this will launch them right back to the top of the division. As a Yankee fan, I am disappointed in this past season, but, considering we didn't go after the pitching (Cashman's big mistake), and lost our #1 starter for 2/3 of the season, lost our starting all star catcher for 1/2 the season, foolishly relied on two rookies who were 0-13 as starters, lost our all star left fielder who was batting .316 for 3/4 of the season, and still won 89 games in the toughest division in the majors, I'm not going to panic.
 
Cano has one bad year and he's a question mark? Okay, if you say so. I'm not panicking.

There were concerns about his attitude and apparently he misses Bowa a lot. Apparently, had a big influence on him. Hope he bounces back.

What is your basis for Texiera staying in Anaheim? What offer have they made to him? The Angels are going to lose either Texiera or K-Rod or both, they can't afford to sign them.

Apparently, they want to keep him and this team has a lot of money. There is also a concern that he's not all that's he's cracked up to be as this is his third team in four years. If I were the Angels, I would let K-Rod go; he's pitched a lot of innings, plus he would be very expensive. They apparently have someone in the wings.

Matsui is a question mark too? Despite the fact that before his injury he was hitting .316 for the first two months of the season. Damon is not what he used to be but he is serviceable left fielder who still hit over .300.

They are getting older and correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Matsui hurt in 07 as well? They do need to get a little younger out there. Gardiner may be the real thing but from what I've heard and read, there is some doubt about that. I had heard the Yankees coveted the Pirates centerfielder, who looks like a good player.

Jeter's getting older, but he still played stellar defense and hit over .300 despite playing more than half the season with a wrist injury.

Jeter is still the man I agree.

A-Rod I agree is a choke artist, but, frankly, his inability to hit in the playoffs is not the reason the Yankees lose in the first round, it is (1) the lack of a legitimate ace starter to win two games each series and (2) the incredible poor handling of the bullpen by former Yankees manager Joe Torre (I have been pulling for his removal since 2002, and he was equally inefficient in his use of the bullpen in the NLCS).

Unfortuntely, you're stuck with him. What you needed was a lockdown starter and Santana was there for the taking.

[/quote] At catcher, the Yankees presently have Posada, Pudge Rodriguez (perhaps the greatest catcher of all time) and Javier Molina (who threw out the highest percentage of runners of anyone in the Majors last year), not exactly a weakness in my eyes. [/quote]

I think Pudge is washed up, Posada is getting old (it's unusual for someone his age to be catching the amount of games he has been; it has to be a concern if the wear and tear is catching up to him) and Molina is a very good glove but not enough of a producer.

Mussina came out of nowhere last season, I frankly thought he was all washed up, and he won 20 games. If he retires with only 30 wins to go for 300, I will be shocked, but admittedly, he is a question mark. Pettite had an off year, but still won double digit games, and is certainly a solid number 3 or 4 starter. Wang, before his injury, was on his way to another 19+ win season, and will be a good number 2 or a fantastic number 3. Joba Chamberlain had a 2.16 ERA as a starter, and has ace stuff as a number 2. The Yankees sign CC Sabathia, a legit ace, and they will have one of the top rotations in the AL. Pencil in K-Rod in the bullpen as the heir apparent to Mo, who has stated he will not pitch past the end of his contract in 2010, and the bull pen is fantastic as well.

Assuming Mussina retires, you have Sabbathia (if he signs, a big if), Wang, Pettite and Jobba. You can get a number 5 somewhere. If Sabbathia doesn't sign, there are some big holes there.

[/quote] All the great young players on the Rays will be playing elsewhere in a season or two, as the Rays have one of the lowest payrolls in baseball, and, like the Marlins after their championship, these young players will leave as free agents.[/quote]

They have new ownership from someone who got out of Wall Street before it was too late. This doesn't look to be a Marlins situation. They could be around for a very long time.

The Red Sox are still a great team, but (1) with the loss of Schilling and the injury to Beckett, the Rays had better starting pitching, and (2) I don't care what anyone says about Manny being Manny, he is the best clutch hitter I have ever seen. Without him Big Poppi just couldn't carry the team like he and Manny had in past playoff series. The Rays were able to beat Lester twice, so I am not sure he is going to be the kind of money pitcher that Schilling and Beckett were. With Beckett's velocity down to 91-92 on his fastball, the Rays were able to knock him all over the park in his first start, although he did seem to get it back in game six, giving up only 2 runs.

Beckett had two or three different injuries this year and could never get it going so his velocity will probably return next year. Ortiz was also suffering from injuries with his wrist. All in all, with all the injuries they had and no Manny, it's quite amazing they got to the 7th game. This is also a team as financially stocked as the Yankees.

I believe the Yankees will reload on pitching, as they did in the '90's (signing David Cone, Roger Clemmons, David Wells, Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez, and, belatedly, in 2001, Mike Mussina), spending their money on Sabathia and K-Rod, and this will launch them right back to the top of the division. As a Yankee fan, I am disappointed in this past season, but, considering we didn't go after the pitching (Cashman's big mistake), and lost our #1 starter for 2/3 of the season, lost our starting all star catcher for 1/2 the season, foolishly relied on two rookies who were 0-13 as starters, lost our all star left fielder who was batting .316 for 3/4 of the season, and still won 89 games in the toughest division in the majors, I'm not going to panic.

Injuries is something everybody goes through and, notwithstanding, there is much truth to what you say but, all in all, they, just like many teams, needs to get younger because this is an aging team, with their best years behind them. Depending on what they do, it's going to be tough for them to finish higher than third. Over time, they'll get younger but it may take a couple of years. I think Cashman and Hal know they have their hands full.
 
Oh Brad ,

Nonsensical drivel is quite a statement Brad, I love how if we disagree its always make the other guy seem stupid. I didnt mention the recent history for a reason and that is the Red Soxs have some of the best players in the game right now and I dont need to mention them they also seem to have a manager who is exactly the right guy to keep them in the limelight for a few more years, will they win the East and the Series again, well I doubt it, but that remains to be seen and did I mention the Mets? Nope take a look I didnt say anything about them, Mr I wish Tom Seaver was still in the game. You miss the point like my x brother in law who is a Mets and Red Sox fan (grew up in NYC cant figure the guy out) The biggest point is the red soxs have always had the talent they just had poor managers or were facing even better talent else where and not just from the Yankees.

I have been a fan of the Yankees all my life and I remember the years when they finished in the basement dead last with less than 4000 fans in the house for what would be seen as big market games. I think its stupid to try and buy the big talent just as I think hoping a number one pick in baseballs draft will amount to anything. How many of those guys really make any kind of a splash right out of High School. 1 in a miliion maybe. If the Yankees want to rebuild they need to rebuild the farm system and get the right guys in the system and stop trading them away for guys who are on fire this season and turn into junk in the next.

What will happen in the coming year for my team well lets see probably nothing unless the Ray owners decide to have a yard sale and get rid of all the talent like another team from down that way did. Louis is right on the money in his analysis of the Angels and the various player they have signed and not signed. Its going to be a very very interesting Hot Stove season for all of the teams. I just hope the Yankees get some young pitchers who have a bit of experience and arent going to get shelled everytime they step out on the mound. I also hope that Chin Min Wang is healed and can have the type of season he should have had this year. Mussina was fantastic to watch this year and with thirty games to go to 300 wins well I hope he has two seasons left too!

Have to love the passion all of us have for this game!

All the best

Dave
 
...If the Yankees want to rebuild they need to rebuild the farm system and get the right guys in the system and stop trading them away for guys who are on fire this season and turn into junk in the next...

Hi, Dave,

Actually, as far as the Yankee's farm system goes, they have had a good crop of players at AA-Trenton the past few seasons; the Thunder have placed well in the Eastern League standings in that time, winning their division this year. If they can hold on to those players and let them premiere with the big club, before trading them away, they'll add some strength to their lineup.

Prost!
Brad (other Brad)
 
Dave,

I'm a closet Sox fan (Sox and Mets fans unite against the common enemy :D; maybe that's why you don't understand your brother in law) so when I see you use words like "The Red Sox can go home and shut their complaining gobs!", there is going to be a reaction and you're just trying to stick it to Sox fan so, yes, that came across as the usual Yankee fan stuff ad infinitum. Ok, nonsensical drivel was probably too strong. We'll just go for nonsense :eek::D

Now, in your last post, you made a lot of sense unlike most Yankee fans I've come across who think they're entitled to the title all the time. Probably comes from you're living on the northwest. Allright, Louis is ok. He's not too bad :D Hear he has a nice collection of something or other :D

You do have to love the passion, I'll agree with you there. Don't have it for football that's for sure. Now, since our teams are doing the same thing we are: watching it on TV, let's crawl back into our respective holes :), wish the Baron luck and wait to see what the offseason brings, which should start in about 10 days!

Cheers,
 
Baltimore Orioles - 2009 AL East Champs !
 

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As a Brit looking in i'm loving this thread,the passion for the game is wonderful to read.Can i ask a question,when does the baseball season start each year and how long does it go on for?.

Rob
 
As a Brit looking in i'm loving this thread,the passion for the game is wonderful to read.Can i ask a question,when does the baseball season start each year and how long does it go on for?.

Rob


Hi, Rob, the season begins at the end of April, and it runs until the end of September/beginning of October.

It used to be a little shorter, so that the World Series was played at the beginning of October. But the Major Leagues added the wild card as an entry to the post season, and that lengthened the amount of time necessary for the championships.
 
Trading away Manny Ramirez did this team in; they had no power in the middle of the line up, Ortiz looks old and pitiful without Manny hitting behind him. Drew could have been the hero up with the bases loaded in the 8th, he looked lost vs that lefty Drew Carey brought in to face him; that was the ballgame right there.

Not having Lowell hurt us too; Youk moved to third and Kotsay took Lowells spot and left 9,00 runners on base; Lowell was the World Series MVP last year.

I'm proud of the Red Sox, they took the Doofin Rays to the limit, just couldn't get the key hit when they needed it.

Two World Series titles in four years and four trips to the ALCS this decade; outstanding, I'll take that.

See, being a Red Sox fan, I don't have this arrogant sense of entitlement like our neighbors to the south; you know, the team that hasn't won a World Series this decade.

Keep up the mediocre work Yankees, now a distant third in the AL East, I guess 200 million doesn't buy what it used to...............
 
Hi, Rob, the season begins at the end of April, and it runs until the end of September/beginning of October.

It used to be a little shorter, so that the World Series was played at the beginning of October. But the Major Leagues added the wild card as an entry to the post season, and that lengthened the amount of time necessary for the championships.

Thanks Brad,i appreciate that.So what is your team again and how did they do this year?.

Rob
 
more....

The wildcard was the latest in a development over the years to allow more teams into the postseason, while still keeping play competitive (unlike football, basketball and hockey, where practically everyone makes it to the postseason).

The leagues used to have no divisions-the team with the highest percentage of wins to losses went to the series. Then, the leagues each split into 2 divisions-East, and West. Then there was a further realignment, carving out a Central division in each league. With the wildcard, there is, in effect, a fourth division. The wildcard is the team with the highest winning percentage, across all three divisions, that did not win its own division.
 
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So, we have 4 teams playing for the Division championships in each league, then two playing for the league championship (commonly referred to as the pennant), and then the league champions square off for the World Series.
 
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And the start of the season has been stretched a little bit. It used to be that Opening Day was just that-sorry, jes' that-an Opening Day, with almost every team playing. Now, there are games played abroad-gimmick value, really-like holding the Opening Day game in Japan, 19 hours before the rest of us are even up.

And before the regular season, we fans get our fix of spring training ball.

The teams have long had a tradition of having pre-season training in warmer regions, originally, down in Florida, but now expanded to the Southwest, too. And there are other leagues, sanctioned by Major League Baseball, that act as training or instructional leagues for rookie players, in Venezuela, for example.

So, in the middle of Feburary, we start watching for the announcement that pitchers and catchers are required to report to training camp. A week or two after that, the rest of the team shows up (barring visa problems, or reckless behavior). And we get a look at the new players, and see how our favorite veterans look after a couple months off.
 
Excellant, thats really interesting Brad.I'd wanted to get a sports channel this year to start watching baseball,however i didn't get round to it.But am definitley going to do it for 2009 and now i know when it will start,so thanks.

Rob
 
Thanks Brad,i appreciate that.So what is your team again and how did they do this year?.

Rob

Sure, Rob, you know I love to talk, and baseball fans love to talk baseball :D

I'm a fan of the Philadelphia Phillies, who are legendary for breaking their fans hearts, and hold the dubious honor of being the losingest sport franchise, of any professional sport and of any team of comparable age. The Phils were in the original National Association, starting in 1876, which became our National League. And since the American League was founded as its rival (hence the terms "senior ciruit" and "junior circuit" for the two leagues, respectively), and the World Series was held, the Phils have had 5 league championships, and only 1 World Series win.

This year's trip to the World Series ends a 15-year drought; the Phils last won the league pennant in 1993, and lost the Series to Toronto's Blue Jays. (A little trivia: Philadelphia later got general manager Pat Gillick from Toronto, and the Phillies were officially known as the Blue Jays, in 1945, but the fans didn't accept it, and the moniker was abandoned). The Phils have come close the past few seasons, and in that regard, 2008 is much like 1993. That team was also one that had gotten close to winning the division the season before. But apart from the second half of the 70s, when the Phils built the club that went to the Series in 1980, their pattern has been to win the pennant, and then not come back for years.

The Phillies fit right in with the rest of Philadelphia's sports teams. There are some championships among them, and some brilliant years, with brilliant clubs, but a lot of waiting and yearning in between. "Wait till next season" is the city's official motto.

Fitting for a city that was once the nation's capital, but lost that to New York, and it's been downhill ever since.
 

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