Battle for Arnhem.... (1 Viewer)

panda1gen said:
Ref: Arnhem - 1944: The Airborne Battle by M. Middlebrook

Some men were dropped so far north that they were never able to reach friendly forces. Private Ken Kirkham provided a description of how seventeen men of the 10th Battalion came down well beyond the dropping zone and carried out various irregular operations until, with only six men still together, he met up with a Dutch escape organization.

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The most distant of the drops in the north were by at least three sticks of men who dropped near Otterlo, eight miles beyond the DZ. Two sticks were from 133 Parachute Field Ambulance under that unit's second in command, Major Brian Courtney, and the third was from the 4th Parachute Squadron.

Two of these parties joined and had a little fight with a German patrol in which an RASC driver with the Field Ambulance and possibly other men were killed.

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None of these men rejoined the division, and, although most avoided capture, the medical unit would be deprived of the much needed services of a surgeon, two other medical officers and several orderlies.

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The American planes flew away. Lieutenant Bernard Coggins, one of the navigators in the lead plane of the 315th Troop Carrier Group, writes:

I don't know just what hell will be like, but I think we got a preview. Earlier groups had already dropped, and the DZ was a solid ball of fire. At the command to jump, our troops had exited from the plane without any hesitation. My admiration, already at an extremely high level where paratroopers were concerned, went even higher as these brave men dropped into that preview of hell. We immediately pushed the throttles to the firewall, hit the deck and got the hell out of there. The tales about that mission lasted a long, long time.

None of the American planes was shot down on the return flight.
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The British Paratroopers, featured in several of the above photgraphs, "THERE HAS BEEN A VERY SERIOUS "MISTAKE"....a lot of the Models are carrying a version of the German MP 38 or MP40. Early in Battle like this it should be the Thomson Sub Machine Gun or Lee Enfield etc and the Bren Gun...Since when do British Paratroopers carry the MP 40 as standard "equipment"?
 
panda1gen said:
Ref: Arnhem - 1944: The Airborne Battle by M. Middlebrook

The parachute-dropping zone to be used, DZ-Y, was Ginkel Heath, which was completely open heath land ......

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...... with thick woodland on three sides.

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The main Amsterdamseweg leading to Arnhem – more than eight miles away — lay on its northern side.

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In addition to the King's Own Scottish Borderer companies which had been attempting to keep the Germans away from the heath, Lieutenant Hugh Ashmore's platoon of the Independent Company had set up its beacon and marker panels .....

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... and the advanced parties of the 4th Parachute Brigade were ready to set off different-coloured smoke canisters at their respective rendezvous points on the edge of the heath.

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All of these men had been forced to wait without news for four hours since the expected time of the second lift arrival.
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The above photograph of the "Paratrooper Master Sergeant" with a Pistol, a nice enough model i do say, err however....he is carrying as a weapon clearly the AMERICAN COLT Mark 1911 sidearm pistol. As far as we are aware, THESE WERE NEVER EVER ISSUED TO BRITISH Ranks in the Arnhem Operation. A MISTAKE HAS BEEN MADE.
 
panda1gen said:
It was not going too well with XXX Corps either, they were meeting opposition ....

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The advance was behind schedule ....

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And they were taking casualties .....

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The paras needed to hang on .....

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The Armoured Car Reconnaisance Units, all two of them, were intercepted very early on and destroyd by Ambushes from the Waffen SS. They did NOT take part in any of the Battle....The special Jeeps fitted with Twin Machine guns did not make it there either, being wrecked in a Glider crash (its in the book....
 
Some very nice Models here, I do like the British Paratropers and Infantry from 30 Corp. However, the Manufacturer needs to make urgent Inventory, because British paratrooper Master Sergeant, and Soldiers, did not carry as a equiped weapon the Colt Model 1911 Pistol sidearm, and not the German Machine pistol MP38 or MP40 clearly shown on several of the british Para Models figures.
Also the Grey on the Waffen SS trousers of some of the figures is FAR TOO Purple or Turqouise based in colour, it was not so strong a shade. (This error originaly came and has been inherited by our Industry these days, from certain William Britain figures, who se painting, however crisp, replicated the self same error some years ago now, I had some as part of our collection. It is always an error attributable to far Eastern production painters who mistake that colour.
 
Though after day 10 of the operation at Arnhem with all drop re supply overun by enemy forces, they certainly would have made use of the captured German weapons, but not I feel the American issue Colt 1911 sidearm pistol
 
StudioParisArt said:
The Armoured Car Reconnaisance Units, all two of them, were intercepted very early on and destroyd by Ambushes from the Waffen SS. They did NOT take part in any of the Battle....The special Jeeps fitted with Twin Machine guns did not make it there either, being wrecked in a Glider crash (its in the book....
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Not sure which specific A/C units you refer to - see page 69 of this thread for examples of how 2nd household cavalry did contribute.

The picture of the car you replied to was classically associated with Infantry division recon, but I used artistic license as not sure how many were still in service in 1944.
 
StudioParisArt said:
Correct Badge Front right vehicle, with the Red edged Shield and the "Eye" on a Blue background. Not sure about the "45" circle though??
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Green over cobalt blue square with 45 indicates the unit to be armoured division recce in 21st Army Group in North West Europe 1944–45. That would fit with Guards Armoured Division, which is the divisional sign on the dingo.

ref - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_military_vehicle_markings_of_World_War_II#Arm_of_Service

Check out table on 'Arm of Service'.

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Whilst we were discussing British (and Commonwealth) recon, this Canadian Staghound is another good K&C model (IMO) .....

Staghound was often used in a command role, as it had more internal space than most cars. Here, one approaches bomb a damaged building ...

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The Canadians advanced along the coast and had a hard fight.

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panda1gen said:
Re: battle for arnhem....

The paras moved into the woods that lay around the drop zones to form a perimeter.
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I do not really endorse or support K and C figures as a collector . I find the quality of the Sculpting, especially the faces, rather "bland" and un realistic, the figures are larger than 1/32 Scale and rather "chunky"...and a lot of thin black painted "lines" reminiscent of Mid Seventies techniques, are used to try to define better the webbing details etc....

There are a great many Modern type "books" in the Hobby Industry, filled not with text but with colour photos.... described as "Beautiful" but i disagree with this.

Taking a lot of colour photogrpahs of something in my pown personal opinion I find mediocre quality, does not make it a high quality item, or especially an Artistic standard or acolade achievement in terms of Artistic Quality, definition of Detail, facial expressions, posture etc, (all levels of work previously achieved in our Industry but which now appear to be taking a backward hike), especially in view of some of the very high sided prices K and C Items go for on E Bay and at Shows...

Sorry....its just not "up there" with true industry greats like Sid Horton, or D F Grieve to mention only a few....
Proof if anything, that bungng laods of cash into something, doe snot make it a success from an Aesthetic, Artistic and Object value point of view.
Sorry if this viewpoint is not the cup of Tea of some other Modellers, it is not my intention to offend, but I feel it is important to make a difference between the quality of the items in the photos and other rather better and well made products.
 
Artistic Methods of Sculpting, and proper use of Controposto, to achieve correct pose and anatomical accurracey, all go towards the creation and style of a well finished, well posed and detailed piece of work, namely the toy soldiers and Horses etc the collector wants to buy.

We must guard against trying to appeal to the "Tablet Computer Screen " generation, whose attnetion spans are severely limited due to growing up with Smartphones and Internet screens,w here the brain flicks and Flickers constantly from one colour image to another.

We here are very much for and upholding the OLD SCHOOL of the Industry, and do not give importance to the new 3D or Computer type machine and intensive imaery coloured processing going on nowadays (in the name of a gold rush to make a fast buck). Often exploiting Chinese and far east cheaplabour to racke in record profits....

The future of our Industry cannot and we mean to see to it WILL NOT, be somebody sat all alone, in a room, doing 3D Printing from Grid Matrix. And flogging non Textaul "Books" which are not books.

If you read and actualy study all of the former Industry books on the subject, they use something called WRITING AND TEXT, and "some" pictures, note the use of the word here "some"-for the human mind to absorbe and create imagery and ideas internaly and not externaly on a dissapearing screen matrix.

Traditioonal Artwork methodology must be defended and protected from the electroinc shyster generation. and its many victims.

Beautiful artistic creation cannot become a dusty relic in the Louvre or British Museum in London. It cannot become a lost skill, a forgotten Metier. Sculpting, Mould making, and other associattted skills need to be protected and encouraged back into our Industry.

Perhaps when according to a officialy leaked document, in 2027 China invades Taiwan, the Industry is going to finaly wake up ???!!!!!

Or else the books, drawings, plans and calculations for scale etc, which made the hobby once great and popular, will be lost, and so too in a few short years, will the idea and understanding of just who and what we all once were.
Beware of the "MATRIX" and of Electronic whizz kid gadgetry....and materials filled with imagery and no sense or understanding.

Progress is never Progress when it destroys everything behind it and tries to take control of evrything in its metier or field of work.
No Young people at the Shows is acceptable? Place your products with Tank Gamers? eh? Accomodate Science Fiction Freakery and grott at Shows because you just cant find or get the work to display anymore? Then ask ourselves WHY!!!!!!
 
Work by Maitre D Ouvre Bill Horan. For years his work, and several others, set the standard of excellence in our Industry.
Not a computer Matrix file made by CHOO WONG CHOW......
Or should I say "Fu Man Chu"???!!!!!
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Work Inspired and from Bill Horan. Not a single Computer existed THEN, and we DO NOT NEED OR WANT them now either....God gave us eyes ears and hands, use them to create beauty and Art....not some electronic no brainer box....
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Work from Bill Horan. Bill shared his skills and knowledge by writing a very useful book. But you have to actualy READ the book and practice and apply yourself to the skills.

Not expect to push a computer button to have or enjoy works such as these....No sorry, todays toy soldiers and works just do not "pass Muster" in standards of quality or skill.


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No such thing. One is free to make observations on here, and lots of people do just that.
If you do not like what i have said, you are always totaly free to write one of your own.
Hi Jacking might well however, include trying to shut someone down for expressing their opinion.
 
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