Best World War I line? (1 Viewer)

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I know this question a) has probably been asked, but I couldn't seem to find it in the forum search and b) is obviously highly subjective. But every time I've asked a question on this forum I've gotten friendly, informed and helpful answers. It's restoring my faith in socializing over the internet.

(Apologize if this is the wrong forum... and as a newbie, I think I'm going to mangle the use of the terms "line" and "range" a bit...not sure if they are interchangeable)

I've only been in this hobby for about a month, despite a long, long period of drooling over figures I couldn't afford or have room for. I started with modern forces, primarily Figarti backed up by vehicles from Forces of Valor. Wraith and some others were helpful in finding me some opposing forces for my US Marines...I'll have to send a picture.

I moved on to W. Britain's Battle of Yorktown - love the redoubt. And the Rorke's Drift Hospital looked so amazing that I had to own it.

I'm now pondering adding another era/conflict (one more would be all I'd have room for). I've got a new translation of War and Peace on my to-read list, so I might try Napoleonic figures...but given the length of the book and the fact I haven't started it...it might be a while.

But I've always been fascinated by World War I, and I'm thinking I might start there. The question is with who?

My first impulse was to go with Britains out of familiarity. But I thought of King and Country for a few reasons. Their Iraqi Republican Guard figures impressed me quite a bit (as did their Afghan figures...although the latter I can't seem to find ANYWHERE). In my short time, I've also observed (perhaps erroneously), that K&C seems to be the most popular toy soldier company - which leads me to believe they may continue to prosper/expand the line more. Finally, seeing pictures of the March to Paris online made me drool (although it bothers me that the house/courtyard that's displayed with it either is no longer available or never was).

I've not seen many other companies have large lines (although Northwest Frontier, I believe has some nice dioramas). But I'm open to any manufacturer that meets some or all of my criteria.

Anyway, here are my criteria for 54mm/1:32/1:30 Matte WWI figures:

-Quality is an obvious one, but I mention that not to ask whether one of the above is better than the other, just that, as I'm open to any manufacturer

-Expandability - Very important. I want not only a nice range, but to feel confident the range will be expanded regularly. I know in these times it's hard to say that, but just knowing plans for the next year or so would help.

-To some extent, compatibility with other manufacturers. That might rule out King and Country (although I was pleasantly surprised at how close they were to Figarti Marines in scale with the Iraqis...hard to tell the difference).

-The bigger the companies line, the less I'd worry about future expansion.

-On the other hand - availability is a factor. If a company has a large line but it's mostly retired and/or impossible to find (case in point: King and Country's Afghanistan line - if anyone knows where I can find Bin Laden's cave etc. I'd love to know) - I'd care more about future expansion.

-Finally - I like scenes. In both a big and small sense of the word. Like Britain's Closing Stage in the Zulu line.
Or, in a bigger sense, Britain's Redbout #10. I've also been impressed with Figarti's urban battlefield, checkpoint etc. With little effort, I was able to create a number of scenes using just a few of those elements (helps to have a bookcase the color of sand).

And if any manufacturer made trenchworks as well as W. Britain did with the Redoubt and Rorke's Drift Hospital...they'd probably have me in a heartbeat.

At the end of the day, it may just take looking at the figures in person, which has been hard for me to do until now (although attending the West Coast show is in the works for me)

Sorry for such a long post, but if any WWI collectors have any thoughts, or links to threads where questions have been answered, I'd greatly appreciate them.
 
I guess I am a WWI Collector ? I have quite a few of King & Country Figures - which I like the best out of everything made for this period.

Everyone has their own opinion on who is the "best" - for me on WWI - K&C !

I think based on your criteria - K&C is going to be the producer that you will find meets most of your needs.

Below are some pics of my World War I Collection - all are King & Country figures. ENJOY ! :D
 

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Hi Mark,

I like your methodology for collecting. Nice to see a new collector exploring eras aside from WWII. There are a lot of collectors of WWI here. I have more than a few Britains sets so I feel up to giving you an anwer. The Britains and ONWTC, Trophy and Tradition and Toy Army Work Shop (which is slowly making a rebound), are all about the same size and can be displayed together some are matte and some are glossy but thats a choice you need to make I like both finishes for this era. Now onto K&C's WWI line. Aside from two sets I dont care for they are well done. Thats said you will find K&C is much larger than Britains and as such would have to collected and displayed alone. I dont have too many K&C sets because of the size issue and of course the other issue that plagues us all space... But that said you need to take a look at the various makers and figure out what your budget is and act accordingly. I hope this helps a little

All the best

Dave
 
Greetings Mark - I have collected WW1 figures for a long time and have had many figures from many makers like Tradition, Toy Army Workshop (TAW), and Trophy. These were all gloss and nice figures. I switched to matte with the intro of Britains new 1914 series and ONWTC late war figures and tanks. You will not find better figures for 1914 than the Britains. IMHO they are better than KC's 1914 series. But I am impressed with KC's new 1917 line and will probably collect them. The KC will have to be displayed separately from ONWTC or Britains because of size difference. All that said, you cannot go wrong in WW1 collecting matte Britains, ONWTC, or KC. I have no advice on current Frontline WW1 because I have not seen them in person. The gloss figures are all hard to find now (except Tradition) and just are not as good IMHO. Good luck with the decision, lancer
 
Welcome Mark,

Back in the day, when I was a strictly glossy collector, I had a pretty extensive WWI collection, focusing mostly on Heco Tinplate vehicles and aircraft (which I still love and could never part with), Toy Army Workshop vehicles and artillery pieces, and Trophy and Tommy Atkins figures, artillery pieces and trucks (most of which I have given away since converting to a mostly matt collector in the late 1990's).

I do not collect matt WWI (I kind of fell in love with WWII, Vietnam and the more recent conflicts), but I do collect K&C's other lines, and am familiar with K&C WWI, and Britains, Old North West, and Frontline's offerings as well.

King & Country is my passion, and, while I certainly respect (and at one point or another had collected) Britains and Frontline products, my advice would be to focus on King & Country, as Andy will put out the highest (and continually improving) quality as well as the most releases of any company out there right now. Whereas the other companies might add to their lines once or twice a year, K&C makes new releases every month. However, whichever company or companies you chose to go with, you really can't go wrong. Good luck!
 
My favorite WWI lines are glossy: some sets from Fusilier, Tradition, Tommy Atkins ( all in business ), Soldiers of The World and Britains Premier, all very compatible. The last 2 are not being produced right now, you'd have to hunt for them, for example on E-bay although Treefrog still seems to have some Britains Premier sets. My absolute favorites are Britains Premier, but Fusilier and Tradition have some very nice sets. Check /www.fusilier-miniatures.com/ or http://www.traditionoflondon.com/index.asp?page=Home.asp#.

I have no matte figures from this period, although at some point considered getting some matte figures and putting them in a different shelf ( from the glossy ones that is ). I've seen K&C's first WWI figures, the Germans and the Scots, and they are absolutely excellent, to me that is. I am not that sure about the upcoming Brits, but they look very decent, just not that up to the first ones ( different factories? ). Especially when it comes to faces, the K&C figures seem to be presently divided between the crisp and the less crisp ( some of the newer figures ), whereas in the recent past you'd get just the crisp ones (again different factories for different figures?)... That is my very personal view, others will find it very different. But when it comes to the WWI range they look like the best bet to me for a matte collector. I also like Britains WWI range, especially their early French and also their early Brit releases are excellent. But their Germans to me don't look as impressive as K&C's. Britains surely will be around with a nice collectable WWI range too. If I collected matte WWI and if I had the room, I'd probably use a shelf for the best Britains WWI ( those early French are really something ;)) and another one for the best K&C WWI (very helpful, right:D?).
In the end it all comes down to your personal taste, surf around, experiment, and if you don't like any of your experiences you can always sell them to me at a discount:D:D:D...


Cheers,
Paulo
 
I think you have to collect what appeals to you and what the wallet allows. Britains are a firm favoruite of miine and also you seem to be pleased with your Wb purchases so far. I would browse the Treefrog shop and see what the have and compare. I know WB may not have as many figures but they do seem to have a few that are a great deal chepaer than K&C and I believe the quality is there in their figures. At the end of the day it is you money , your choice and your prerogative to collect what you want.
 
Hi There!
I am currently working as a researcher/sculptor for W. Britain, and was a 40% owner of ONWTC until recently. Although this may seem a little biased, here is my take.
W. Britain has been around for a long time. Originally started in the mid nineteenth century as a family owned toy company, by the turn of the century they were known for their hollow cast toy soldiers. As a matter of fact, it is said that when the German toy company Marklin was deciding on what scale to make their clockwork mechanism tinplate trains at the turn of the century, they looked to W. Britain as the leader of civilian and military toy figures and created Gauge #1, or 'standard gauge'(1/32) for their trains.

Several good companies are now creating and marketing WWI period figures.

1. Frontline. This company has traditionally made 1/32 scale figures, now primarily in Matte finish. This company has just launched a good selection of late war sets for The Great War. They have some great heavy mortars in their range and late war German Strosstruppen.

2. ONWTC. As a former part owner in this range, I can tell you that these people are very particular about getting the details of the uniforms and equipment spot on. They already have three of the Great War tanks finished and available, with two of them in different paint schemes. The paint finish and weathering is perfect on these. The first figure sets in their range were sculpted by me, so they are completely compatible with W. Britain. I am sure that they will continue to offer new sets.

3. W. Britain. I am currently the chief sculptor for this great old name in toy soldiers, and as a result the figures sculpted by Alan Ball and I are standardized in scale and correct in equipment and colour. We have started the Great War with 1914 and we will add to the 1914-1918 period with additional single figures and equipment as we move forward. Our newest additions are 1914 era French Cavalry, and we have new mid war figures that will be available mid year. We do not plan on abandoning the early period, but will add to it from time to time with individual figures and equipment.

4. King & Country. This company creates fine figures too, and are the clear leaders in selection for WWII figures, vehicles and equipment. In recent years this company has standardized in a scale around 1/30 for the 20th Century conflicts they cover. This can make some figures appear rather large when mixed with other products manufactured at 1/32 scale. This can be worked around by placing these figures to the front of a display to give the impression of forced perspective. The paint colours can be brighter than the real scale items they represent, but from an aesthetic, rather than historical point of view this works well.

5. In recent times two other makers in this market have followed the lead of the other manufacturers, and as a result I would expect them to add new products for the 1914-1918 period also. This would be:

a. Figarti. Although this company has offerings in both 1/32 and 1/30...in recent times they have tended to follow up K&C with 1/30 releases. They have specialized in limited addition large equipment and weapons lately. These could be the folks to offer some unusual additions to a collection.

b. Collector's Showcase. This is a relatively new company in the smaller scales as the original offerings were all in large statue sizes around 1/6 scale. They have made releases in 1/25, 1/30 and 1/32. The most recent offerings have been in 1/32 and 1/30, but I cannot predict which scale they will choose. They have produced some excellent equipment and vehicles lately in 1/30 scale. The figures they offer are often dynamically posed and 'gritty', although the research can be spotty.

There are always new companies forming, but these will probably be your choices in the short term. Whatever direction you take I am sure you will be pleased, as all of these companies have good products to offer.

If you are interested in this period my suggestion would be to read some good books on the subject. This is a well documented conflict so look very carefully at the pictures from the period, this will really help guide your decisions. Also look at images of surviving examples of uniforms and equipment to learn what the real uniforms and equipment looked like... sometimes you will be surprised. The most rewarding purchases are those that truly represent the subject you are well informed about.
All the Best!
Ken Osen
 
Glad to hear that Britains will continue to add to the 1914 range and will add later war figures. IMO the 1914 range is unbeatable with the dynamic poses, realistic paint, and the French Army line which is a here-to-fore untapped (in matte) subject. The French infantry is great and the up coming cavalry looks to be the best yet. Any chance of early war French 75's for the artillery aspect? -- lancer
 
If this helps...One of my best friends owns two original French 75s and is in the process of rebuilding them. This has given me an opportunity to measure and photograph everything as parts.
Ken
 
Thanks for the answer. I look forward to the future results. The 1914 campaign is incomplete without the gun that saved France, IMHO. Nice to converse with the source of the figures I collect. -- lancer
 
Aeroart made a very small number of WWI figures. They are some of the best, but not widely available. I have a few of these:
 

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Those Russian figures are magnificent but are too few in number and much too expensive to build any but the smallest dios around, IMO. I have a few Russian made Knights and Spartans and they are superior but they are a minor presence in my collection. -- lancer
 
I also collect WW1 from all lines, K&C, Britains, ONTC, but my favorite are the Frontline figures. The only problem with those are they have only done German figures. ONTC also rank up there as both these companies make the late war type figures.
If you are more a late WW1 collector, before you buy check out Frontline.
Also frontline figures are compatable with ONTC,s.
Gary
 
I only have K&C WWI figures and I do like them a lot. Here are a couple photos of them. I am looking forward to K&C producing some German artillery so I can place them on some flat bed train cars.

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I love looking at your train dio, it's just as great now as it was when you first posted it. Looks like you have been having a bit of a clear out.
 
I love looking at your train dio, it's just as great now as it was when you first posted it. Looks like you have been having a bit of a clear out.

Yes, I have had a mini clear out. Things are tough here in our industry.(construction) I needed to get rid of a few things that I considered not essential to my collection.

One of these days I will add some more stuff to this train dio. I do love the mounted Uhlan that got added thanks to my wife over Christmas. That is a great piece!
 
I would recommend K & C as a WWI line. My main theme is WWII but I would get into WWI if K & C brought out some Aussie troops, either Western Front or Egypt/Gallipoli.
 
Thanks to everyone for this. For a variety of reasons, I may have to put my WWI expansion plans on hold a bit. Some of them financial, some having to do with expanding the lines I have (Figarti/K & C modern, W. Britain AWI and Zulu...really nice stuff coming out for the latter). With the West Coaster so close, it also seems like it it might be a good idea to look at the figures up close before I buy.

My take from browsing the net. K and C have impressive lines that (appear readily available). They are limited to early Germans (1914), the BEF (1914) and then skip to 1917 for the new british line (which does have a great looking tank). Not a ton of diversity, and I'm not sure how well the Germans will match up with the 1917 line.

W. Britain has a broader range by comparison - British, French and German troops. I've been happy with my W. Britain AWI Yorktown and Zulu Rorke's Drift figures, so it's hard to say anything negative about them. The fact that their chief scupltor comes on and posts frequently certainly hasn't hurt. The French Cuirassers (sp?) I saw in the new catalog look absolutely beautiful.

I was also disappointed that the line was cut to about a page in the new catalog. Don't get me wrong - it's an impressive 2009 catalog, especially given the economy. But it seems like it would take a lot more effort and money to track down the apparently retired WWI figures.

Still, in my short time in the hobby, I've come to realize it's a WWII/Napoleanic world and it's nice to see anyone go outside those ranges.

I wish the major companies would agree on a scale...it would be great to mix and match.
 
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