Bf109 "Red 5", Ju 87 Stuka unrestored - Deutches Technikmuseum Berlin (1 Viewer)

[unglesbeemj]

Early war period:

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Very Nice. Good look at the early war dark grey and how dark it really was.

Wouldn't it be nice if someone made a 38(t) like Wilde Sau?

Terry

 

[unglesbeemj]

Terry,
Agreed. Munster has a very impressive collection, the German panzer school is located there and the military supports the museum with funding. They are looking for a Tiger tank to add to their museum, taking up donations when I visited in 2009. they had the tiger on loan from Samur in Paris, but had already returned it by the time I got there. Plenty of allied and modern tanks - I limited my study to German WW2 AFVs. While not all of my camera exposures are 100% spot on, I think the images give a pretty close representation to the dark grey used on these tanks.

Mike

 

[unglesbeemj]

Here are some self-propelled artillery [Wespe, Hummel, and Jagdpanther]:

 

[unglesbeemj]

Last photos of the 88 [note unrestored Panzer III turret in background]:

 

[unglesbeemj]

Anyone care to identify the unit markings on the 38T "Wilde Sau"?

Mike

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Anyone care to identify the unit markings on the 38T "Wilde Sau"?

Mike

The "Y" is the unit insignia of the 7th Panzer Division from 1941 for operation Barbarossa.

The Division was previously commanded by Irwin Rommel in the battle of France 1940 where it moved so quickly that even the German high command were at times uncertain where it was. As a result, it was given the name Ghost Division and the symbol is of a ghost with a sword. The same ghost symbol was used by the 11th Panzer Division because it had a small tie-in with the 7th.

Terry

 

[unglesbeemj]

Thanks, Terry. I rememberd seeing some photos on the internet, but could not locate them again. I was very impressed with the nice job done on these tanks, the painting and markings appear to be well researched and executed.

Mike

 

[Phantom Warrior]

The 38(t) Ausf E/F didn't last long with those markings in Russia. The 38(t) was under-armoured and under-gunned against the Russian tanks. Barbarossa started June 22, 1941 and the 38(t) were withdrawn from service by September.

Terry

 

[Cyber Field Marshall]

Cool pics. Always great to see military hardware preserved for future generations to enjoy, I think that is a very important issue. There's something special about seeing these historical "artifacts" in museums I just can't explain. Thanks for sharing your pics, I've enjoyed them.

 

[Njja]

Thanks, Terry. I rememberd seeing some photos on the internet, but could not locate them again. I was very impressed with the nice job done on these tanks, the painting and markings appear to be well researched and executed.

Mike

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Mike, what great photos! Looks like a wonderful way to spend a and afternoon or however long you can keep the wife interested!

 

[unglesbeemj]

Cool pics. Always great to see military hardware preserved for future generations to enjoy, I think that is a very important issue. There's something special about seeing these historical "artifacts" in museums I just can't explain. Thanks for sharing your pics, I've enjoyed them.

I am glad you enjoyed them, its an impressive collection they have preserved in Munster. I struck up a conversation with one of the curators at the museum, we talked mostly about the museum's efforts to procure a Tiger I from Russia. Seems there are several wrecks there that can be salvaged for the sum of 500,000 Euros each, before restoration.

There was a fascinating special collection on exhibit during my visit of personal items, sketches, paintings, photos and general history from the German POWs taken prisioner on the eastern front. The exhibit was all in German, and mine is not that good. There were many hand-made and hand-carved personal items on display, but the outcome for most was grime - lots of photos of crosses in the snow, deep snow.

The curator also told me that they occasionally have Germans come into the museum from time to time complaining about the "Nazi" tanks on display, demanding to know why the museum continues to keep them on display.

The museum is well worth a visit if you every get to Berlin or Hamburg.

Mike

 

[unglesbeemj]

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Mike, what great photos! Looks like a wonderful way to spend a and afternoon or however long you can keep the wife interested!

I now wish that I had spent the night and gone back the next day to shot some more photos! I need to plan a trip to Bovington or Samur so I can see a Tiger I, it continues to ellude me everywhere I go