British Guard Infantry Pre-Order (1 Viewer)

[mk26gmls]

Hey Ron,

I think Matt was just yanking your chain in fun.

Have a good one,

Darrell

 

[Spitfrnd]

Hey Ron,

I think Matt was just yanking your chain in fun.

Have a good one,

Darrell

Well yes, me too. If that gets defined as bashing, you could be a forum monitor.

Just a little moderator humor lads.

 

[FirstLegion]

Matt

Sorry if I hurt your feelings - I certainly have tried to explain that I like your figures a lot as well. Not personal here - and I really believed that I haven't been that hard of a critic to deserve such a bashing from you.

As I have said before - I do really like your figures - sorry my praise hasn't been enough for you.

Ron

Hi, Ron,

On the contrary, my apologies to you if I've hurt yours. I certainly didn't see that as a "bashing" and it wasn't meant that way. Just a little teasing...as you don't get it obviously, I'll explain it more clearly...

My first post was merely teasing you a bit. First, about the timing of our releasing French Line Artillery and you going on the K&C Forum and announcing their French Artillery Set a day or so later. So, I was teasing you about expecting you to run over to the K&C Forum and "announce" a K&C Russian Staff Set as you did with the artillery. Second, for saying that K&C has set a big standard for Napoleonics for other producers (which would include us obviously) to match. So, seeing as you indirectly made reference to us, I felt it was within the bounds to address it. So, as I said in my second post, we'll do our best to improve our figures so that they are as good as K&C figures and we'll try to live up to the lofty standards they have set (that would be called sarcasm!). Again, just teasing, not bashing!

As I said, I do thank you for all of the kind words you've said about our figures and I was serious when I said it. I don't think you've ever really criticized our figures at all to my knowledge, as the square/rectangular bases are merely a personal preference and if that's the worst thing you've ever said about our figures, then we're doing ok! So, I've not been at all offended by anything you've said about our figures. I just find your ultra-biased view point to be a little comical to me. When you post on the K&C Forum in this way, I usually just read it and smirk. But when you come on our forum, as you said to me, you invite comment and if I extend my comments to include not just what you've said in a single post on our forum but to include some comments you've made in other posts on other forums, then you'll have to forgive my taking some lattitude in response.

For example, (and I'm paraphrasing here) in the thread on the K&C forum regarding collector's showcase vs. K&C Napoleonics, you jumped in the thread and said you had never seen the CS figures so you had no view point, then you said something negative about CS, then you said k&C are the best. To me, as post as biased as that is just funny and warrants some teasing. Nothing wrong with you being overtly biased towards one company and publicizing that view point. But when express that view point relative to the products of other producers, you do invite return comment from those producers.

So, please accept my apology if you feel bashed in anyway, as that certainly wasn't my attention. And I'll accept your apology for making me incredulous at your point of view.

Nothing serious here Ron, relax...eat a cookie, drink some egg nogg, and engage in some revelry and have a Happy New Year!

Regards,

Matt

 

[Octavian]

Hi, Ron,

On the contrary, my apologies to you if I've hurt yours. I certainly didn't see that as a "bashing" and it wasn't meant that way. Just a little teasing...as you don't get it obviously, I'll explain it more clearly...

My first post was merely teasing you a bit. First, about the timing of our releasing French Line Artillery and you going on the K&C Forum and announcing their French Artillery Set a day or so later. So, I was teasing you about expecting you to run over to the K&C Forum and "announce" a K&C Russian Staff Set as you did with the artillery. Second, for saying that K&C has set a big standard for Napoleonics for other producers (which would include us obviously) to match. So, seeing as you indirectly made reference to us, I felt it was within the bounds to address it. So, as I said in my second post, we'll do our best to improve our figures so that they are as good as K&C figures and we'll try to live up to the lofty standards they have set (that would be called sarcasm!). Again, just teasing, not bashing!

As I said, I do thank you for all of the kind words you've said about our figures and I was serious when I said it. I don't think you've ever really criticized our figures at all to my knowledge, as the square/rectangular bases are merely a personal preference and if that's the worst thing you've ever said about our figures, then we're doing ok! So, I've not been at all offended by anything you've said about our figures. I just find your ultra-biased view point to be a little comical to me. When you post on the K&C Forum in this way, I usually just read it and smirk. But when you come on our forum, as you said to me, you invite comment and if I extend my comments to include not just what you've said in a single post on our forum but to include some comments you've made in other posts on other forums, then you'll have to forgive my taking some lattitude in response.

For example, (and I'm paraphrasing here) in the thread on the K&C forum regarding collector's showcase vs. K&C Napoleonics, you jumped in the thread and said you had never seen the CS figures so you had no view point, then you said something negative about CS, then you said k&C are the best. To me, as post as biased as that is just funny and warrants some teasing. Nothing wrong with you being overtly biased towards one company and publicizing that view point. But when express that view point relative to the products of other producers, you do invite return comment from those producers.

So, please accept my apology if you feel bashed in anyway, as that certainly wasn't my attention. And I'll accept your apology for making me incredulous at your point of view.

Nothing serious here Ron, relax...eat a cookie, drink some egg nogg, and engage in some revelry and have a Happy New Year!

Regards,

Matt

No pun intended to anyone specific, however I can't help but agree with Matt's statement. Your response was spot on and spoken like a true gentleman. Its wonderful that manufacturers like yourselves (among others) are pro-active, enthusiastic and embrace the concept of personal customer service, while taking the time to converse with collectors on this forum. Regardless of any criticism, constructive or not, I applaud you and your company for bringing us some fine figures. Keep up the great work Matt. Best regards, Clinton

P/S:"relax...eat a cookie, drink some egg nogg" A Matt Pavone Classic! LOL

 

[marco55]

I think all the manufactuers are bringing quality first class products to us and it's driving us crazy to try to pick what we want.Britains,KC,CS,FL,Frontline,yes even Conte when his products finally reach us and many more are doing fine jobs.So I don't see having these little battles about who's the best.
Mark

 

[Ken & Ericka Osen/H&A Studio]

Well said!
Even though I am currently working for primarily W. Britain, I look at all of the releases from all of the manufacturers.
Everyone is releasing something that I would love to have as part of a collection. Every manufacturer has some strength in one area or another. If you have eclectic tastes as I do, then there is something appealing within every line.
In some cases we are lucky enough to have items from various manufacturers that we can intermix if we opt for dioramas.
This has to be one of the best times ever with the multitude of choices for collectors of pre-finished historical miniatures and vehicles. If you add in the kits and other scales too... it could really make you crazy!
All the Best!
Ken Osen
Hudson & Allen Studio/W. Britain

 

[FirstLegion]

Well said!
Even though I am currently working for primarily W. Britain, I look at all of the releases from all of the manufacturers.
Everyone is releasing something that I would love to have as part of a collection. Every manufacturer has some strength in one area or another. If you have eclectic tastes as I do, then there is something appealing within every line.
In some cases we are lucky enough to have items from various manufacturers that we can intermix if we opt for dioramas.
This has to be one of the best times ever with the multitude of choices for collectors of pre-finished historical miniatures and vehicles. If you add in the kits and other scales too... it could really make you crazy!
All the Best!
Ken Osen
Hudson & Allen Studio/W. Britain

I agree with this fully and certainly didn't mean to imply that I didn't in my postings. I guess I just let certain comments get the best of me and I really should be above that. As a manufacturer, I really need to stay above the fray and usually do. In this case, I seem to have lost a little bit of perspective and let something that happened almost a year ago cause me to speak out when I should have remained silent.

Ron, as I said, you've never said anything negative about our products, in fact you've said very complimentary things, and my comments over the last day or two are probably unnecessary and for that I really do apologize. I've been overly cranky the last few days due to the 13 hour jet lag and the stress of the holidays and I'm probably not thinking as clearly as I normally would.

Now I'm going to take my own advice and go eat a cookie and drink some egg nogg (with irish wiskey) and enjoy the rapidly passing holiday.

 

[Spitfrnd]

...
Everyone is releasing something that I would love to have as part of a collection. Every manufacturer has some strength in one area or another. ....
In some cases we are lucky enough to have items from various manufacturers that we can intermix if we opt for dioramas.
This has to be one of the best times ever with the multitude of choices for collectors ...

I agree with that too Ken, as I have said before in various threads. It is frankly impossible to keep up with just a few of your main areas of interest with so many excellent choices. I am drooling over your Zulus which I hope to blend with Conte's and waiting for Matt's British infantry to counteract my FL French infantry and K&C and CS Cuirassiers. I also plan to mix in the much anticipated First Legion British and French cavalry. Now if I liked the Russian side of the conflict, I would really be in trouble. There is much fine product to chose from and since we are on the First Legion forum, I think I am not amiss in noting that theirs to me is exemplary and will be draining too much of my budget for the foreseeable future. Maybe I should be glad they have not taken up the Peninsula period (yet).

 

[Capitolron]

Gentlemen

I 100% agree that there are many fine products coming out from many Toy Soldier Producers. I also believe strongly in collecting from everyone and mixing them into my dioramas - as many of you have seen with the pictures I have posted on this forum - I have K&C, Conte, Britians, Del Prado, Hachette, and FIRST LEGION represented. I think you should collect what you like !

Just for the record - I did not start a fight on who is the best and believe everyone has great products.

Finally, Matt - fine I accept your apology and you have mine - we can drop it here - actually the entire discussion has been disappointing.

Ron

 

[Spitfrnd]

Now that we are counting down to the first Red Coats, I just wanted to confirm that this is just the beginning for these beautiful lads; we will be getting more poses that suit better for different parts of battles, correct?

 

[FirstLegion]

Now that we are counting down to the first Red Coats, I just wanted to confirm that this is just the beginning for these beautiful lads; we will be getting more poses that suit better for different parts of battles, correct?

Ahh, these aren't even released yet and you're already asking for more!!!

Seriously, though, if what you're asking is if you'll be getting more British and Allied Napoleonics from Waterloo, then yes, that is of course correct. Lots more different types and in a variety of different poses for different situations.

If what you're asking is if you'll be getting more 1st Foot Guards specifically, then the answer is much less certain. We may do some casualties or what not, but personally I feel they are well covered by this release and we'd be better off doing a different regiment, or British Line Infantry, or Highlanders etc. etc. etc. than adding to what is already a 17 figure release!

The answer of course to all of this is of course dependent on how well the figures do in the market. If they sell well, then we're much more likely to do more of something similar quicker than if they don't sell well. I expect them to do well, but one never knows in these economic times how anything is going to do!

Regards,

Matt
First Legion Ltd

 

[Spitfrnd]

Ahh, these aren't even released yet and you're already asking for more!!!

Seriously, though, if what you're asking is if you'll be getting more British and Allied Napoleonics from Waterloo, then yes, that is of course correct. Lots more different types and in a variety of different poses for different situations.

If what you're asking is if you'll be getting more 1st Foot Guards specifically, then the answer is much less certain. We may do some casualties or what not, but personally I feel they are well covered by this release and we'd be better off doing a different regiment, or British Line Infantry, or Highlanders etc. etc. etc. than adding to what is already a 17 figure release!

The answer of course to all of this is of course dependent on how well the figures do in the market. If they sell well, then we're much more likely to do more of something similar quicker than if they don't sell well. I expect them to do well, but one never knows in these economic times how anything is going to do!

Regards,

Matt
First Legion Ltd

Yes, asking for more, imagine the Cheek All of the above is quite understandable and encouraging but I surely would have liked a kneeling firing and in the best case also a kneeling loading figure But British line would be nice as well. Highlanders, however popular, just don't do much for me, Scottish blood and all.

 

[FirstLegion]

Yes, asking for more, imagine the Cheek All of the above is quite understandable and encouraging but I surely would have liked a kneeling firing and in the best case also a kneeling loading figure But British line would be nice as well. Highlanders, however popular, just don't do much for me, Scottish blood and all.

Actually, I don't think your request for a kneeling firing and kneeling loading figure is too unreasonable at all. I think this is actually quite possible, particularly if we decide to do the casualties that I've been thinking of as producing 4 figures instead of maybe 2 isn't that difficult. So, I'll put it back on all of you collectors out there - buy the first 17 figures and we'll see about adding 4 or so more!

 

[HistoryfortheAges]

Yes, those 4 figures would be a nice addition to a square. I concur.

 

[Spitfrnd]

Actually, I don't think your request for a kneeling firing and kneeling loading figure is too unreasonable at all. I think this is actually quite possible, particularly if we decide to do the casualties that I've been thinking of as producing 4 figures instead of maybe 2 isn't that difficult. So, I'll put it back on all of you collectors out there - buy the first 17 figures and we'll see about adding 4 or so more!

Fair enough, I hope to have that many coming to me as a late Christmas present.

 

[Spitfrnd]

The more I read about this period, the more I find that my expectation of many moments of combat apart from formation is in fact quite well established. For example, both "With Musket, Cannon and Sword" and "The Battle" (thanks for the recommendation Matt) note the very great prevalence and important employment of skirmishers or light companies that supported and were in turn supported by the formations. In fact, I discovered in the Battle that at Waterloo, there was much fighting largely between skirmishers, hand to hand and by rifles in the orchards and gardens of the farms and in and around the buildings. We have talked about the 95th, which I certainly do hope we'll see but what else might we expect to represent this very important and interesting side of this and other battles?

 

[Spitfrnd]

I am ecstatic to report that I now have a first group of the these British Guard figures and they were well worth the wait. I am going to fill out the ranks a bit more and then find some scenes to feature them. Anyone else have theirs yet? The mounted colonel is especially super. This bodes well for the cavalry on the (near I hope) horizon.

 

[nasirkasmani]

Pictures please! :d

 

[Warrior]

My stock order for the British Guards arrived earlier this week and all I can say is W-O-W!! Just incredible to say the least, cannot wait to get to Annandale and beyond to showcase these beauties for all to see............thanks Mr Matt.

 

[SteveDavid]

Just opened 13 packs of British Guards, French Mounted Colonel and Russian Command. It cannot get much better than this! Absolutely no comparison to what others are doing - sorry to many people's feet, but these releases are nowhere near what Britain and K&C are doing - they are in another league.

And I say this even though I am not a 'true' Naps collector! Eagerly waiting for the new range and maybe I can start dreaming about recreating epic battles in Asia!

Great quality figures I got here!