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I think I will go with the First Day of the Battle of Gettysburg - ideas from our Gettysburg pals on the display???
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OH OH I know. Hunley figures!!
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I am an Iron Brigade fan where for most of the first day, they held off the better part of 2 Confederate Corp, in order to allow the Federals to occupy Cemetary Hill. One of my displays was to have Buford's dismounted cavalry in skirmish order fighting off a Rebel attack, while in the background, lead elements of the First Corp are charging up a road to support the skirmish line...Had it up for years till it got buried in dust and I forgot about it. Got to pay my wife more ,so that she does something, like cleaning .....
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Ron,
Not sure if the figures K & C does would work for the first day at Gettysburg, specifically the Union sets. As Michael has pointed out, Union Cavalry held off the Confederates until the Iron Brigade, troops from Michigan, Minnesota and Indiana came up in support. Also in support were elements of the 14th Brooklyn, who wore modified Zouave uniforms, red pants were their trademark.
The Iron Brigade wore the famous "Black Hats" and frock coats, I think most of Andy's ACW Union figures would not fit that bill. IF I were doing a Gettysburg display, I'd focus on action that took place on the far Union left, around Devils Den, the round tops, the peach orchard, the wheat field, etc. There were Zouave units on Little Round Top and near the peach orchard, but most of the rest of the troops were standardly dressed Union troops.................
Not sure if the figures K & C does would work for the first day at Gettysburg, specifically the Union sets. As Michael has pointed out, Union Cavalry held off the Confederates until the Iron Brigade, troops from Michigan, Minnesota and Indiana came up in support. Also in support were elements of the 14th Brooklyn, who wore modified Zouave uniforms, red pants were their trademark.
The Iron Brigade wore the famous "Black Hats" and frock coats, I think most of Andy's ACW Union figures would not fit that bill. IF I were doing a Gettysburg display, I'd focus on action that took place on the far Union left, around Devils Den, the round tops, the peach orchard, the wheat field, etc. There were Zouave units on Little Round Top and near the peach orchard, but most of the rest of the troops were standardly dressed Union troops.................
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I am a Picketts charge fan. So I hope he does that. The problem with personality firgures is that they are often stand alone figures and don't go with any decent action diorama. I am not sure if K and C plan to develop the ACW as amajor line becuase it does seem to be a huge area for dedicated collectors almost as big as WWII. The ACW stuff from 2000 is actually very good. Some one was saying that the quality was not so good but I must disagree I feel it was one of the ranges that reset the benchmark at the time, along with the 2004 Normandy sets and everything that has come since
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I am an Iron Brigade fan where for most of the first day, they held off the better part of 2 Confederate Corp, in order to allow the Federals to occupy Cemetary Hill. One of my displays was to have Buford's dismounted cavalry in skirmish order fighting off a Rebel attack, while in the background, lead elements of the First Corp are charging up a road to support the skirmish line...Had it up for years till it got buried in dust and I forgot about it. Got to pay my wife more ,so that she does something, like cleaning .....
That was one of my favorite parts in the Gettysburg movie
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That was the other really good part of the movie. OH he double toothpicks. The whole thing was full of good parts.
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Go Blackhats!Mix of Conte metal and plastics I either converted or just painted, some Britians in there to. Haven't had the Iron Brigade out in a while as I have about 12 of the New Britians Valley series Yankees in Beat up hardee hats and frockcoats to add to the mix.
Brawners Farm has always interested me, Where most of the Blackhats were 1st engaged in Battle against Stonewall Jacksons Division.
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What about a CSN Hunley and crew?
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OK time to get this thread back on track
Rob, if you ever have the opportunity to come to the states and tour CW battlefields, along with the great sites all along the East Coast (Virginia, North and South Carolina and Georgia), you must get to Tennessee.
Some of the most deadly, decisive and historical battles took place throughout the great state of Tennessee. Franklin; where more generals died than at any other battle site. Several structures are still there, preserved with battle damage still present. Murfreesboro I; where Crittenden took on Nathan Bedford Forrest. Stones River; where there were 23,515 total casualties (US 13,249; CS 10,266). Tour Vicksburg and the USS Cario, a federal ironclad gunboat that was found in the 60's at the bottom of the river, raised and on exhibit. There are many, many more throughout the state. Most are very well preserved and are in the National Park system. Each usually has a visitors center with guides available, especially in the summer months.
Fort Donelson is one of the best-preserved forts on the Cumberland and Tennessee Rivers with battlements and structures still intact and accessible to visitors. One of the most beautiful CW sites IMO. I recommend that this is one battle site that every CW follower should visit. It's where US Grant made his name after coming back from civilian life in Michigan, along with nearby Fort Henry.
Tennessee is a very beautiful and friendly state. One of 50 thanks to George III.
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OK time to get this thread back on track
Rob, if you ever have the opportunity to come to the states and tour CW battlefields, along with the great sites all along the East Coast (Virginia, North and South Carolina and Georgia), you must get to Tennessee.
Some of the most deadly, decisive and historical battles took place throughout the great state of Tennessee. Franklin; where more generals died than at any other battle site. Several structures are still there, preserved with battle damage still present. Murfreesboro I; where Crittenden took on Nathan Bedford Forrest. Stones River; where there were 23,515 total casualties (US 13,249; CS 10,266). Tour Vicksburg and the USS Cario, a federal ironclad gunboat that was found in the 60's at the bottom of the river, raised and on exhibit. There are many, many more throughout the state. Most are very well preserved and are in the National Park system. Each usually has a visitors center with guides available, especially in the summer months.
Fort Donelson is one of the best-preserved forts on the Cumberland and Tennessee Rivers with battlements and structures still intact and accessible to visitors. One of the most beautiful CW sites IMO. I recommend that this is one battle site that every CW follower should visit. It's where US Grant made his name after coming back from civilian life in Michigan, along with nearby Fort Henry.
Tennessee is a very beautiful and friendly state. One of 50 thanks to George III.
Yep. I agree - Tennessee is a great Civil War Park State. Been to a few - but still have not made it to Vicksburg.
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I'm not sure I would agree with that statement.
It is true the loss of Vicksburg did cost the South the loss of Western Southern States and hurt the suppy lines tremendously.
But, If Washington had ever been captured - which it almost was in 1861 (Bull Run) and 1864 (Monocacy) - that would have changed many things.
The reason for alot of focus in the Eastern Camapigns - most of the population of the United States (Union) was in the East. The will of the North to continue the War was in the Eastern Campaigns - the 1864 Presidential Election was going to be decided in the Eastern States.
So - I believe (IMO) Gettysburg had a little more of a decisive factor on the South than Vicksburg. Although Vicksburg was a big blow to the CSA.
Damian,
I fully agree that the fall of Vicksburg was a much greater loss to the Confederacy than was the defeat at Gettysburg. General Lee retreated from Gettysburg with a functional army which would fight again. Pemberton was forced to surrender his forces to Grant at Vicksburg and, consequently, fight no more. The fall of Vicksburg split the South and prevented critical supplies from reaching the Confederate forces east of the Mississippi. Also, the fall of Vicksburg presented the Union with complete control of the Mississippi River.
Warmest personal regards,
Pat
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I think you are overlooking the political point during the War - had the Confederates Won Gettysburg - it cold have changed the outcome of the 1864 Presidential Election - and give the CSA a chance for a peace agreement with a Democrat President / Congress. The loss of Vicksburg was bad - but, did not decide the fate of the future for the CSA like Gettysburg (IMO)
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Ron,
In reality, several things could have changed the outcome of the 1864 election (i.e., the defeat of Sherman as he approached Atlanta, etc.). The fall of Vicksburg split the South, prevented critical supplies from reaching the East, and surrendered a major Confederate force. In my opinion, Gettysburg only bloodied the nose of the Army of Northern Virginia, which lived to fight another day. Would a Confederate victory at Gettysburg have ensured that Lincoln would have lost the election? No one knows. Would a peace agreement with a Democrat President/Congress have been accomplished? No one knows. Did the loss of Vicksburg split the South, deprive the South of critical supplies, surrender a major Confederte Army, and place the Mississippi River under the complete control of the Union? Yes.
Gettysburg was a horrible battle, there is no doubting that. But was it the more critical loss to the Confederacy? I doubt it. The debate is further complicated by the fact that Lee retreated from Gettysburg the same day that Pemberton surrendered Vicksburg. In short, it was a terrible day for the Confederacy.
Warmest personal regards,
Pat
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Please do not forget the tragic death of Gen'l Stonewall Jackson. His loss was arguably the deathblow to the Confederacy!
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As far as my wife is concerned the most important event in the Civil War was the burning of Atlanta by General Sherman. Because of that Scarlet o Hara fled back to Tara and swore never to go hungry again. I must agree with her I don't think any other movie really captures the spirit of the war like Gone with the Wind