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Does anyone who have these new Britains Woodland Indians also collect JJD's Woodland Indians?
Hoping for a little insight on how the two compare size wise, and compatibility in the same display. - Thanks.
 
I really don't think they match up style wise.I don't have any indians anymore but I have French Marines and they are chunkier.I also think the painting styles are different.If any of Jenkins indians would work with Britains I think it would be the earlier indians IMO.
Mark
 
mestell said:
The "French Canadian" looks great Mark . . . . I am really hopeful that WB will provide us with some stellar looking FIW figures such as French militia, Rangers, etc . . . .

I agree Mike.Britains already has a AWI range so I hope they do FIW items with this range.They could actually do both with this range.One thing I do hope they do is leaders,French and British generals,indians,American colonial and French-Canadien marine officers. Montcalm,Dieskau,Wolfe Braddock,Howe Rogers,Stark,Washington,Langy Langlade,Beaujeu,etc.would be great.They have a lot of leaders in their ACW range and I do believe they are popular.Oh yeah,dead and wounded too.
Mark
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Dragoon said:
Does anyone who have these new Britains Woodland Indians also collect JJD's Woodland Indians?
Hoping for a little insight on how the two compare size wise, and compatibility in the same display. - Thanks.
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Just compared WB16001 and WB16002 to JJ Battle on SnowShoes / Woodland Indians and Conte Woodland Indians. WB are noticably smaller both in height and body build. So some creative positioning may be required. To deceive the eye.
 
mestell said:
The "French Canadian" looks great Mark . . . . I am really hopeful that WB will provide us with some stellar looking FIW figures such as French militia, Rangers, etc . . . . In the meantime I will use my Colonial Militia to satisfy my imagination for both FIW and Rev War depending on my mood for the day. That's what I think is nice about the Eastern Woodland Indian releases . . . . . they can be Huron, Wyandot, Delaware, et al for French allies in FIW scenarios, or they can be used as Mohawk, Seneca, Onondaga, et al for British allies in Rev War scenarios.

By the way . . . . . According to the latest Treefrog Rivet newsletter, and also the WB website, this Rev War released Iroquois (WB #18063) is now sold out and soon to be retired. This is my favorite sculpt of the three Iroquois figures that WB released in the Rev War range . . . . get it while supplies last at your favorite retailer . . . .
:smile2: Mike

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Took a ride down to a The Hobby Bunker and was able to get the last one they had in stock! Need to get a move on and get the rest!

Travis
 
Yeah, the old times of Britains, like in the 1980's or 1990's, when "Limited Edition" Sets were issued at some numbers between 3000 and 5000 are definitely over.
But I do believe that it is to the advantage of many collectors, since with limited numbers per release they allow more variety of figures to be coming out.

I frequently have a look at their website www.wbritain.com and when new sets are announced and actually become available then, they get marked "retired" fairly fast, and after that it is only a short period of time until they get marked "sold out".
At that point, it means that they are sold at the mfr., so all the dealers around the world have bought up the available numbers.

They are not pushing it too hard, but many figures are not going to be available for years in these days.

I think they are on the right track, for a good business example.

Konrad
 
kogu said:
But I do believe that it is to the advantage of many collectors, since with limited numbers per release they allow more variety of figures to be coming out.
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Providing the quantities are consistant. Which at the moment they aren't. Which is a concern of mine. As I can see people simply not bothering continuing to purchase. Result in the devaluation of certain sets over time.
 
just got 16000 and 16001.I have 16003 on pre-order.I thought this one was coming out now.Maybe they are having problems with it as it looks like a difficult pose.I did see one in one of Jeff's photos though.Overall I am very happy with start of this range.Hopefully they will do some FIW soldiers (I know I keep harping on this).Mestell,use your influence on this.^&grin
Mark
 
I would like to see some riverine craft done for this range and not just indian canoes (which I do hope they make).I would love to see some rafts,barges,landing craft.Would especially like a bateaux which I don't know how it would translate in scale as they could be anywhere from 24'-45'.I think most were about 30'.
Mark
 
I have bought all of the new Clash of Empire. Like them but have been thinking, are they too good and individual? Plus we need someone for them to attack, would make an excellent diorama with them attacking an homestead etc. back to being too good and individual, they are so distinct that I cannot see many people wanting multiples of any or some of the figures!
 
I don't think they were meant to be built in multiples.Unlike the regular soldiers who dressed alike the indian highly valued his individualism as did the American frontiersman.
Mark
 
Hi All,
I have been following some of the comments, questions and wish list additions about this range for a while now and I felt that I should give you a little more background on what we are doing.

The native warriors were very individualistic and I suppose you could conclude that no two were exactly alike in dress and personal ornamentation. I have worked on a number of museum models over the years and have had the good fortune to work with several serious students and scholars on this period. I have also been able to view a good many extant artifacts and archeological finds which have been helpful in designing the look of our new Eastern Woodland warriors.
Many of the colors we have chosen to use for ornamentation and war paint are based on historical evidence rather than pure aesthetics and as a result may not seem as bright as some artists have portrayed in the past. Hopefully as the range grows the palette will make more sense.

We hope to add a great many new poses in the future and as a result will be retiring figures from time to time to make room for the new developments. There are a great many period descriptions and artifact examples that I want to incorporate in the new figures.

A few have mentioned the skin colors chosen for the initial releases. Human skin pigmentation can vary even within one homogeneous group. I chose to represent native peoples in the summer or early fall and the dress of the new figures is appropriate for this season.
The first thing I noticed in some of the early water colors and oil paintings were the skin tones. This was reinforced by pictures of great lakes area natives living in traditional dwellings at the turn of the century. Often the older members in the images had a rugged look of years of exposure to Ultraviolet light and weather.

My own great Grandmother was full blood Cherokee and in the family images of her both young and old she was very dark. When I built the life cast mannequins for the River Raison Battlefield Museum in Monroe Michigan some years ago, my model was a full blood Ojibwa fellow that worked outdoors and he was also had a dark color when he came in for casting and color matching.

With that said, you can see that we have varied the colors of the skin tones and will continue to do so to add authenticity to the offerings.

Watch for additional Native Warriors, hand to hand sets and European soldiers and settlers as we move forward this year.
More later,
Ken
 
I have a cousin who's italian and in the summer he gets much much darker then in the fall/winter.Can't wait to see the new sculpts but having got all the figures released so far I am waiting for the second release this summer.Already have most of them pre-ordered.^&grin:salute::
Mark
 
Thanks for the insights Ken . . . . . it just keeps getting better and better . . . . . . One of the many reasons I mainly collect WB is the research and historical accuracy put into the development of their product line . . . I am really looking forward to the growth and future offerings of this range.
:smile2: Mike
 
I just received 16003,very nice,I didn't realize it was a one piece casting which is probably better for a fumble fingers like me.{eek3}^&grin One question does the soldier represent a particular regiment?
Mark
 
marco55 said:
I just received 16003,very nice,I didn't realize it was a one piece casting which is probably better for a fumble fingers like me.{eek3}^&grin One question does the soldier represent a particular regiment?
Mark
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Mark if anybody can answer your question it would be Ken Osen . . . . . hopefully he sees it and responds in kind. i have the same figure set on pre-order and should be receiving it very soon . . . looking forward to it.
:smile2: Mike
 
WBritain said:
Hi All,
I have been following some of the comments, questions and wish list additions about this range for a while now and I felt that I should give you a little more background on what we are doing.

The native warriors were very individualistic and I suppose you could conclude that no two were exactly alike in dress and personal ornamentation. I have worked on a number of museum models over the years and have had the good fortune to work with several serious students and scholars on this period. I have also been able to view a good many extant artifacts and archeological finds which have been helpful in designing the look of our new Eastern Woodland warriors.
Many of the colors we have chosen to use for ornamentation and war paint are based on historical evidence rather than pure aesthetics and as a result may not seem as bright as some artists have portrayed in the past. Hopefully as the range grows the palette will make more sense.

We hope to add a great many new poses in the future and as a result will be retiring figures from time to time to make room for the new developments. There are a great many period descriptions and artifact examples that I want to incorporate in the new figures.

A few have mentioned the skin colors chosen for the initial releases. Human skin pigmentation can vary even within one homogeneous group. I chose to represent native peoples in the summer or early fall and the dress of the new figures is appropriate for this season.
The first thing I noticed in some of the early water colors and oil paintings were the skin tones. This was reinforced by pictures of great lakes area natives living in traditional dwellings at the turn of the century. Often the older members in the images had a rugged look of years of exposure to Ultraviolet light and weather.

My own great Grandmother was full blood Cherokee and in the family images of her both young and old she was very dark. When I built the life cast mannequins for the River Raison Battlefield Museum in Monroe Michigan some years ago, my model was a full blood Ojibwa fellow that worked outdoors and he was also had a dark color when he came in for casting and color matching.

With that said, you can see that we have varied the colors of the skin tones and will continue to do so to add authenticity to the offerings.

Watch for additional Native Warriors, hand to hand sets and European soldiers and settlers as we move forward this year.
More later,
Ken
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Ken,
I love what your doing with the Individual Indians. Is there a difference between the tribes of the 6 Nations are were they hard to distinguish? I know that certain tribes allied with French and certain ones with British. Also I need some "AWI BRITISH ARTILLERY AND CREW" What is my chances of any coming out in the future?

Howard Hulsebosch
Buck Private(Do You Hear Me)
 
WBritain said:
The native warriors were very individualistic and I suppose you could conclude that no two were exactly alike in dress and personal ornamentation.
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Given their individualism. Are there any plans to produce them in different coloured dress? As I wouldn't consider buying multiples of the same figure as they are.
 
Charlie Brown said:
Given their individualism. Are there any plans to produce them in different coloured dress? As I wouldn't consider buying multiples of the same figure as they are.
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Hello all,
This is a fair question, but there are only a few that I might consider doing this with. In most cases we would most likely do variations in dress, decoration and faces along with all new sculpts.
I hope to have another grouping to preview in the fall.
Thanks,
Ken
 
WBritain said:
Hello all,
This is a fair question, but there are only a few that I might consider doing this with. In most cases we would most likely do variations in dress, decoration and faces along with all new sculpts.
I hope to have another grouping to preview in the fall.
Thanks,
Ken
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Ken,
I just received 6 Clash of The Empire Indians in Window box with extra plastic sheet. All arrived in good shape. I must say that these figures are the best work todate by Britains in the sculpting and painting. They definetily have the "WOW FACTOR" when I opened them. I hope in the future that you have some tribal differences so they can be grouped for dioramas. Keep up the great work.

Howard Hulsebosch
Buck Private(DO You Hear Me)
 
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