great discussion guys...obviously Tom is correct, this war is still going on, many different opinions, most depending on where you grew up and what you read growing up..most importantly to us all is to stop history from being re-written and putting the stink on what part of the USA you come from...look at the map politically - red state, blue state..it is still split right where it was in 1861..the real enemy, from what i read are greedy self-serving politicians..from way back then and up to today..the Southern people believed their slave-owning aristocrat politicians and lawyers and went to war to preserve that way of life, much to their regret...brain-washing at it's worst. Read "Co. Aytch" for the enlisted man's view on war and slavery and slave-owning officers.
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Good stuff UK. I won't make light of the Reconstruction Period. When I think of the concept of "not free", especially when one is either innocent or sees no end to his confinement, any occupation seems frightening. Anything from slavery to lack of Habeas Corpus fits in there. The presence of Federate troops in the South was over by 1877 because of the presidential political deal over Hayes and Tildon. The few Black elected officials were gone soon after and Southern leaders were able to get back the economic and political power they had before the War. Since the US was expanding, southerners, black and white were able to leave the South. Reconstruction may have been bitter but the body count was certainly low and Southerners were not forced to stay. Those that did had their power and national influence back.
On other occasions I've stuck up for the Southerner fighting for the Confederacy because he saw his culture and system as the best way to succeed in life. Even a non-slave holder had the freedom to get rich IF he could get a slave and a little land. That land and a "servant" gave him the title of Gentleman. In that time and place, most of us would feel the same. Lincoln's election seemed to threaten the ability to expand that system west.
The Northern man, in general, saw getting land or a good job or a ship or inventing something as success within his culture w/o the aristocratic pretensions. Successful Northern men certainly acted like aristocrats on occasion.
As for the Horse Soldiers, the Confederates, except for Virgil and Jackie Joe, were portrayed and pretty brave, likable, and honorable people. As I said earlier, in Glory the Confederates were just the enemy, not an evil enemy. The system was more of the enemy in Glory. In Disney's Great Locomotive Chase, you can root for the heroic Confederate chasing Fess Parker. So that's three, sort of "Union" movies, and not really PRO-union. The Raid, starring Van Johnson and cast of really great actors, some soon to be, like Lee Marvin and Ann Bancroft, had the Confederates as the protagonists, but more in conflict with themselves, than the town of St. Albans, Vt.
So give me a movie about Lt. Cushing sinking the CSS Albemarle
On other occasions I've stuck up for the Southerner fighting for the Confederacy because he saw his culture and system as the best way to succeed in life. Even a non-slave holder had the freedom to get rich IF he could get a slave and a little land. That land and a "servant" gave him the title of Gentleman. In that time and place, most of us would feel the same. Lincoln's election seemed to threaten the ability to expand that system west.
The Northern man, in general, saw getting land or a good job or a ship or inventing something as success within his culture w/o the aristocratic pretensions. Successful Northern men certainly acted like aristocrats on occasion.
As for the Horse Soldiers, the Confederates, except for Virgil and Jackie Joe, were portrayed and pretty brave, likable, and honorable people. As I said earlier, in Glory the Confederates were just the enemy, not an evil enemy. The system was more of the enemy in Glory. In Disney's Great Locomotive Chase, you can root for the heroic Confederate chasing Fess Parker. So that's three, sort of "Union" movies, and not really PRO-union. The Raid, starring Van Johnson and cast of really great actors, some soon to be, like Lee Marvin and Ann Bancroft, had the Confederates as the protagonists, but more in conflict with themselves, than the town of St. Albans, Vt.
So give me a movie about Lt. Cushing sinking the CSS Albemarle