Collector's Code? (1 Viewer)

Also, as was said on this thread prior, American Revolution figures are not as popular an era to collect as some others. World War 2, Napoleonic and American Civil War are the most popular in this hobby. Rarer pieces in these eras will still command higher prices on auction today. However, because of the fact these eras have the most produced pieces and the market continues to be flooded with new product the stress on future price rises will become evident. We are seeing that already. {eek3}
 
I think it is "never fall in love with your inventory"!

Nope, although that one may have been used as well.

In fact, when we used to conclude our weekly conference and discuss the various projects we were working on, our Associate General Counsel would say on occasion, "ok let's move the merchandise!"
 
As someone who has been in the distribution business for over 40 years and now teaches business and finance i believe our hobby follows basic business law.
Commodity products (mass produced or large production runs) will rarely increase in value. Limited editions and custom built items (e.g small dioramas and buildings) will fetch premiums over time.
Certain makers get hot because a small population of avid collectors bid up the value. Right now, for example, Trophy Miniatures which ceased production about seven or eight years ago seem to be getting decent premiums.
Especially their rarer items such as boats, vehicles and artillery can be bid up by just a few zealous buyers. Trophy, as others, also is a quality product that bridged the gap from older style gloss to better sculpted and painted precursors of the matt types. So there are makers with historical and innovative significance to our hobby that will hold their value as well.

If prices continue to go up exponentially and the hobby doesn't implode you can probably sell your most recent acquisitions for around cost.

Unlike what I call investment hobbies such as stamps, coins, sports memorobilia, certain antiques and art. Our hobby is more hands on, visual, creative and "fun" (I would say another example of a fun hobby are toy trains).

If you are collecting for investment buy limited editions, discontinued items, out of business makers and rare older pieces. Like any business you have to research the market, understand the trends and the macro-economy. Down the road I think "trading" will become more popular as well.
And always remember that if you enjoy collecting, painting, diorama making, art and history.....you can't put a price on happiness! Happy people live longer.

Thanks for the example - that makes perfect sense. I agree the hobby is more hands on and fun, which is why I am collecting these than say stamps. I collect Lionel O-gauge as well, but that's for a different forum....
 
Nope, although that one may have been used as well.

In fact, when we used to conclude our weekly conference and discuss the various projects we were working on, our Associate General Counsel would say on occasion, "ok let's move the merchandise!"

Different variation of the same message. Make a profit and move on.....there will always be something else to sell.
 
Its sad because I feel like younger individuals are not taking up the hobby because of the expense and the fact that there is little to no return on the investment in the long run either.

Do you see the contradiction here? What does a young individual have to care about long term gains? It's like the stock market. It's not what it's doing now, it's what it's doing when you get out. And a young collector would be at least two decades from getting out. If you are doing this hobby with one eye one on the dollar sign, you are in for a lot of anxiety.

There may yet come another faux economy where stocks are inflated followed by another housing bubble where people start using their homes as ATM machines again. History says its a near certainty
 
Its sad because I feel like younger individuals are not taking up the hobby because of the expense and the fact that there is little to no return on the investment in the long run either.

I buy what I like and don't look at it as a investment but as a hobby, but when buying I never pay full price but look to buy cheaper by buying in the Eu as prices in the Uk are sky high when you add Tax and Vat
 
You did not read the post correctly. I am simply stating that I did not receive close to what I paid when selling a few of my K&C American Rev pieces - I never entered the hobby with any intention of turning it into a buy/sell business. I am assuming most on the forum have sold some of their collection for whatever the reason and wanted to gauge your experiences. I do contend that high auction prices are hurting the hobby because newer figures are going for upwards of $40.00 (old news or not its the truth) and then those on the secondary market are inflated. I still believe it is tough for the younger generation of collectors to withstand the hobby.

What you should learn from this is that on a secondary market, the price of an object is whatever the seller and buyer can agree on at the time. It's true in our hobby, as it is true in the broader world of antiques and collectibles.


Wonderful problem solving and discussion skills on your part. If you are no longer interested in the content of the thread/posts - move on.

That was offsides, eh, especially from a relatively new member.

Prost!
Brad
 
If you happen to have the financial reports of every dealer in every part of the world I would love to see them to ensure my theory does indeed hold water. I apologize for not presenting firm statistical evidence with my posts - I was under the impression this was a toy soldier forum and not a doctoral dissertation. ;)

I refer you to my first sentence which I added as an 'edit' so that my view would stand as a general contribution to the broader discussion rather than one with a personal relevance for you. I believed at the time that this would ensure that it would read as a more polite contribution.

I am, however, happy to accept your apology. Recognising error is the first step to personal growth.
 
I am quite confused, are you hoping to see prices rise at the time that you decide to cash out?

There are so many factors involved:
- overall economic situation, which is kind of skirting along weak situation now.
- does the series have a huge collector base, (definitely not AR as it is somewhat American collector base mostly)
- any rich or British royalty bidding? any rich Aussie bidding? (Having fun with the Ausssies)
- rarity and sought afterness of that piece or pieces
- timing and luck. If it happens that two or more buyers just want to have that piece at the same time.
- is the piece already controlled by stockist speculator who bought up most of secondary stocks?

I think since it is AR series, quite a lot of criteria above that will push prices up are just not there. Also, recent releases by K&C are getting interest back again and of course this will draw cash allocation away from secondary market to the new stuff.

All said, in ANY hobby, it is probably most important that the overall collector pool show net increases and that the brand is able to sustain the interest. For the latter, I still feel that K&C has done relatively very well.

Rgds,Chris
 
personally I have not sold any of my collection!!!!!!!!! my plan is be buried with them ^&grin^&grin^&grin^&grin and some day in years to come some one will find them and be a millionaire.......the only problem I have is to find a casket large enough !!!!!!^&grin^&grin^&grin^&grin
 
I refer you to my first sentence which I added as an 'edit' so that my view would stand as a general contribution to the broader discussion rather than one with a personal relevance for you. I believed at the time that this would ensure that it would read as a more polite contribution.

I am, however, happy to accept your apology. Recognising error is the first step to personal growth.

The fact that one would post such a contribution in itself ensures that there is a personal relevance - I am sure you didn't just happen to pull those wonderfully smug tips out of the ether now did you? Since it seems you never let a rational thought interrupt the flow of your conversation - I apologize for making you think to hard.
 
That was offsides, eh, especially from a relatively new member.

Prost!
Brad[/QUOTE]

I apologize if I came off brash, but I am simply asking a question to generate conversation on the topic. I would much rather engage in polite conversation, but I also don't see the relevance of posting something that does not add to the conversation.
 
The fact that one would post such a contribution in itself ensures that there is a personal relevance - I am sure you didn't just happen to pull those wonderfully smug tips out of the ether now did you? Since it seems you never let a rational thought interrupt the flow of your conversation - I apologize for making you think to hard.

Seems you might be taking offence when none was intended.
 
personally I have not sold any of my collection!!!!!!!!! my plan is be buried with them ^&grin^&grin^&grin^&grin and some day in years to come some one will find them and be a millionaire.......the only problem I have is to find a casket large enough !!!!!!^&grin^&grin^&grin^&grin

The first Emperor of China actually did that already. His collection of soldiers and chariots were like 1:1 scale and made in China as well. Unfortunately, the farmer that found them is not a millionaire as far as I know...
 
The fact that one would post such a contribution in itself ensures that there is a personal relevance - I am sure you didn't just happen to pull those wonderfully smug tips out of the ether now did you? Since it seems you never let a rational thought interrupt the flow of your conversation - I apologize for making you think to hard.

Yes - you are clearly too smart for me so I will quote someone who has ideas that are above the dispute of mortals.

'Wonderful problem solving and discussion skills on your part. If you are no longer interested in the content of the thread/posts - move on'.

Three apologies in your first 14 posts ... good work.
 
Jack,

You are such a disappointment :rolleyes2: You have forfeited your application to be a member of the twelve tribes :wink2:{eek3} ^&grin

Brad
 
Yes - you are clearly too smart for me so I will quote someone who has ideas that are above the dispute of mortals.

'Wonderful problem solving and discussion skills on your part. If you are no longer interested in the content of the thread/posts - move on'.

Three apologies in your first 14 posts ... good work.

If you are going to quote someone who you believe to be so brilliant that they are "above the dispute of mortals" I think a citation is in order. ;)
 
Are you . per chance, a tort attorney ? You seem to want to create an argument where no issue really exists.
 
Just looked at my curio and collection before going to bed, just beautiful to behold, much better than looking at paper bills of money at the very least. That's why I collect. Not interested in resell value at all really. :)
 

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