CVS Pharmacies To Stop Selling Cigarettes (2 Viewers)

I can't stand cigarette smoke and avoid places where it is allowed. One change for the better has been to ban it in most public places. I can even remember when they allowed people to smoke on planes. It's hard to believe anyone still smokes in this day and age with the known hazards. And all of us end paying for their health care when they do get sick.
 
I remember when they used to have a bar car on the New York to Connecticut commuter trains. The stench of smoke was incredible.

Regarding E cigarettes, as my son smoked, I looked this up and they're no better. In addition, some believe that the e cigarettes are a pathway to marijuana.

CVS made the right decision here and let's hope they don't sell the e cigarettes.

Brad
 
jazzeum said:
Regarding E cigarettes, as my son smoked, I looked this up and they're no better. In addition, some believe that the e cigarettes are a pathway to marijuana.
Brad
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I'm gonna have a hard time getting behind that...

I smoke an E-cig...

should I start looking for a pot dealer...^&grin...
 
mikemiller1955 said:
I'm gonna have a hard time getting behind that...

I smoke an E-cig...

should I start looking for a pot dealer...^&grin...
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You're an adult with the judgment to not do that. However, I'm involved in a parents group with teens and young adults with substance abuse and other problems and for parents who have a child that has substance abuse, this is a real concern, particularly as it may affect siblings.

Brad
 
jazzeum said:
You're an adult with the judgment to not do that. However, I'm involved in a parents group with teens and young adults with substance abuse and other problems and for parents who have a child that has substance abuse, this is a real concern, particularly as it may affect siblings.

Brad
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Brad...I was just teasing...hope you saw the smiley face...I take any and all children's welfare seriously...if this is a genuine concern of the group you're involved with...I hope they give it the serious and sincere attention it deserves...
 
Sorry Mike :redface2: I'll get off the soap box now.

Brad
 
I found it an interesting story. Tobacco is the bogeyman now of the PC crowd, so I wasn't surprised that CVS announced that they'll stop selling tobacco products (not till October, by the way), but they said nothing about continuing to sell alcohol in those jurisdictions where permitted by law, or continuing to sell the sugar- and fat-laden snacks that they do. If they were truly concerned about a real effort to promote good health, and not just some corporate feel-good gestures, they'd dump all of that stuff. You can argue about the effects of tobacco, the accuracy of this or that study, and the motives of the sponsors who put out the study, but alcohol's effects go beyond the health of the consumer, to a range of problems for the family and friends of those who abuse. I've never heard of someone having a smoke and then beating his wife because of it, while alcohol, when abused, leads to that kind of behavior.

In the end, CVS is a commercial organization and can make whatever business decision it chooses, and consumers can react as they see fit. So it's interesting, but not that big a deal.

Now hand me a Weissbier, prost!
Brad
 
theBaron said:
I found it an interesting story. Tobacco is the bogeyman now of the PC crowd, so I wasn't surprised that CVS announced that they'll stop selling tobacco products (not till October, by the way), but they said nothing about continuing to sell alcohol in those jurisdictions where permitted by law, or continuing to sell the sugar- and fat-laden snacks that they do. If they were truly concerned about a real effort to promote good health, and not just some corporate feel-good gestures, they'd dump all of that stuff. You can argue about the effects of tobacco, the accuracy of this or that study, and the motives of the sponsors who put out the study, but alcohol's effects go beyond the health of the consumer, to a range of problems for the family and friends of those who abuse. I've never heard of someone having a smoke and then beating his wife because of it, while alcohol, when abused, leads to that kind of behavior.

In the end, CVS is a commercial organization and can make whatever business decision it chooses, and consumers can react as they see fit. So it's interesting, but not that big a deal.

Now hand me a Weissbier, prost!
Brad
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ooooh Brad...that is a very valid observation...the shelves might get a little sparse if they start removing everything that doesn't promote a healthy lifestyle...^&grin...

I thought this tobacco sales ban policy was an incredibly bold move...obviously a moral decision for the company board...as when all around you are doing it and it's accepted...you gotta ask yourself...why did they jump off the bandwagon...

I used to own CVS...but sold it some time ago...it's a great company...well run...they make money and their annual sales increase on a steady basis...I believe their annual sales are behind Walgreens...rating CVS as #2 in the industry...

but this is a concern for the shareholders...when it's all about making money...2 billion in sales is not easily replaced...the stock has gone from 72 to 66 in the last month...

when buying a stock...increasing profit and growth is the main concern for the shareholder...it appears their shareholders don't like this move...
 
theBaron said:
I found it an interesting story. Tobacco is the bogeyman now of the PC crowd, so I wasn't surprised that CVS announced that they'll stop selling tobacco products (not till October, by the way), but they said nothing about continuing to sell alcohol in those jurisdictions where permitted by law, or continuing to sell the sugar- and fat-laden snacks that they do. If they were truly concerned about a real effort to promote good health, and not just some corporate feel-good gestures, they'd dump all of that stuff. You can argue about the effects of tobacco, the accuracy of this or that study, and the motives of the sponsors who put out the study, but alcohol's effects go beyond the health of the consumer, to a range of problems for the family and friends of those who abuse. I've never heard of someone having a smoke and then beating his wife because of it, while alcohol, when abused, leads to that kind of behavior.

In the end, CVS is a commercial organization and can make whatever business decision it chooses, and consumers can react as they see fit. So it's interesting, but not that big a deal.

Now hand me a Weissbier, prost!
Brad
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Cigarettes are a bit different than other bad habits. If you are standing next to someone eating a Twinkie, it will not make you fat or give you diabetes. Secondhand smoke has negative health implications for those around smokers. If the smoker wants to kill themselves, have at it. But they have no right to poison anyone else. There is nothing PC about that. Even if you don't accept the medical evidence, many people simply don't want to smell the smoke which is awful.
 
"....PC crowd..." Heck you can't buy cocaine or gunpowder like you used to over the counter. Can't X-ray people's feet in a shoe store. You can't pee in the water supply either. Nanny State run amok I tells ya!:mad:
 
I recon smoking will be as unpopular in the US as it is in the UK within 15 years!

Scott
 
Combat said:
... Secondhand smoke has negative health implications for those around smokers. If the smoker wants to kill themselves, have at it. But they have no right to poison anyone else. There is nothing PC about that. Even if you don't accept the medical evidence, many people simply don't want to smell the smoke which is awful.
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This is not about second-hand smoke. CVS didn't allow smoking on their property to begin with. Also, there is debate about the validity of studies about second-hand smoke in various circumstances. In any case, you haven't refuted my point that alcohol has far worse effects than tobacco use does, or that it's more fashionable to take anti-smoking positions than others. And as I said, they can decide what they like, and consumers can also decide what they like, as can CVS' shareholders (good point, Mike!). But I disagree with the moral aspect anti-tobacco advocates apply to the discussion. Is tobacco use, in all its forms, bad for your health? Yes, generally speaking, and in the long run. But is it immoral to use tobacco? Is it evil? I don't think so.

Prost!
Brad
 
theBaron said:
This is not about second-hand smoke. CVS didn't allow smoking on their property to begin with. Also, there is debate about the validity of studies about second-hand smoke in various circumstances. In any case, you haven't refuted my point that alcohol has far worse effects than tobacco use does, or that it's more fashionable to take anti-smoking positions than others. And as I said, they can decide what they like, and consumers can also decide what they like, as can CVS' shareholders (good point, Mike!). But I disagree with the moral aspect anti-tobacco advocates apply to the discussion. Is tobacco use, in all its forms, bad for your health? Yes, generally speaking, and in the long run. But is it immoral to use tobacco? Is it evil? I don't think so.

Prost!
Brad
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I don't think it is "immoral" to smoke, eat Twinkies or drink alcohol. It probably is immoral, however, to profit from a product like cigarettes that result in 5 million deaths every year according to the CDC. Does the decision of CVS to stop selling them mean even one less cigarette will be smoked? Probably not. Smokers will buy them somewhere else, but it is still the right thing to do.

According to the CDC:

Tobacco use is the leading preventable cause of death.
•Worldwide, tobacco use causes more than 5 million deaths per year, and current trends show that tobacco use will cause more than 8 million deaths annually by 2030.
•Cigarette smoking is responsible for about one in five deaths annually (i.e., more than 440,000 deaths per year, and an estimated 49,000 of these smoking-related deaths are the result of secondhand smoke exposure).
•On average, smokers die 10 years earlier than nonsmokers.
•In 2000–2004, cigarette smoking cost more than $193 billion (i.e., $97 billion in lost productivity plus $96 billion in health care expenditures).
•Information published in 2005 documented that secondhand smoke costs more than $10 billion (i.e., health care expenditures, morbidity, and mortality)
 
johnnybach said:
It didn't used to bother me either - until I found out the relationship between smoking and respiratory/heart diseases. It does bother me now, because I KNOW better.

Not only by "Government telling me" - I read about it, and listened to the professionals too.

But NOW that I do know - I avoid it wherever I can. Thankfully, non-smoking is becoming the norm in most of the Western World - and other legal restraints help with "secondary smoking" too. Many British Companies now have now adopted no-smoking policies in workplaces - and Restaurants too, nowadays comply with laws - though I note that in some Third-World Countries - it is on the increase once again, due to lack of health awareness - and promotions by Tobacco Companies.

Smokers may wish to carry on - and as they say - It's a free Country. I have no wish to impose my views on anyone

I say to those who wish to smoke - just don't impose your habit on those of us who wish to avoid it. That's reasonable enough - isn't it? jb
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Yes it's reasonable that you ask not to be around it and I have always tried to be courteous to people.What bugs me is the fanatics,usually ex smokers that think that smokers should have no place to go.Usually these type of people meet down at MacDonald's woofing down 2 or 3 Big Mac's and a pound of french fries with a 60oz soda to wash it down. I'm 58 years old and have smoked for 45 years and I'm not lying when I say I can outwork 90% of the younger "healthy" people.As far as the government goes it is one gigantic hypocrite.They talk about the dangers of smoking but it doesn't mind sucking up the tax dollars from it.Ban it if it's that bad.Now you might think that I am totally pro smoking but I would never recommend it to anyone but I'm sick of these people trying to tell everyone else how to live and what to do with your own body and not just with smoking.No matter how well you try to live the facts are your going to get old and your going to get sick.People need to quit worrying what everybody else is doing.I hear that worrying is not healthy either.I guess if everybody lived a clean healthy life and didn't get sick CVS wouldn't be in business.
Mark
 
That's alright, let them. . My Local store has a Pharmacy, sell groceries, alcohol , tobacco and ammo.
Good prices on ammo by the case which is good since I sue the better part{ 250} each week killing clay targets. Not a Walmart either.
Tobacco is HIGHLY addictive. I still like my Swishers.
FubAr
 
Fubar said:
That's alright, let them. . My Local store has a Pharmacy, sell groceries, alcohol , tobacco and ammo.
Good prices on ammo by the case which is good since I sue the better part{ 250} each week killing clay targets. Not a Walmart either.
Tobacco is HIGHLY addictive. I still like my Swishers.
FubAr
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Harold...we'll let you move down to Texas...you'll fit right in here...it's warmer too...^&grin
 
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