Death by Boiling (2 Viewers)

[W T Allison II]

Was he French or an early Nazi ?

Apparently he was a role model.

 

[GICOP]

Apparently he was a role model.

I believe he ran the Hampton Court branch of marriage guidance

Cheers

Martyn

 

[Cardigan600]

Yo Troopers, seen as we are talking about the most known King of England even though the most infamous of them all, strange the baddies always get remembered most. Anyway got me thinking that when the then Constable of the Tower of London was racking his brains with his Lieutenants in 1978 as to what would be the most apt 900th Anniversary souvenir how could 9 centuries be encapsulated in a single offering of all the ideas put forward, they came to the conclusion that the chess set would be the best idea. Now as Infamous as he was and the most remembered King everyone has heard of Henry V111 he wasn't considered for the Tower chess set, and Henry probably had more people executed or tortured in the Tower than the rest put together. Just put a couple of photos of the poor sods who fell foul of the Tower, mind you Archbishop Crammer got his comeuppance for grassing up Catherine Howard to Henry, so he could lop another head off. Scanned some photos out of the Chas Stadden Brochure. Also thrown in one of the Norman Knights for you guys who collect them.
Bernard.

 

[Rob]

I believe he ran the Hampton Court branch of marriage guidance

Cheers

Martyn

Where some of the customers got the chop!


Rob

 

[theBaron]

Yo Troopers, seen as we are talking about the most known King of England even though the most infamous of them all, strange the baddies always get remembered most...

Edward Longshanks was a pretty brutal character, wouldn't you say?

I think it's more fair to say that Henry VIII was a product of his time. As far as applying torture goes, well, we consider it cruel, but in his day, was it considered out of the ordinary, in a time when physical punishment was commonplace? And was he as bad as Ivan Grozhny or any of the Balkan princelings, starting with Vlad Tepes, or the Turks, or any of the rulers elsewhere in the world? It would take another hundred years or so, from Henry's day, before political philosophers began to take up the idea that physical force was not an appropriate tool of justice, until the suspected person was found to be guilty, and even longer before rulers or parliaments could be convinced of that and brought to pass laws banishing it, at least in the West. And even in our time, it's only a quick step in that direction, a thought that someone isn't watching, before those who can, apply physical force, to get what they want.

So, I think it's a little unfair to judge Henry in that way. I'm not saying he was a saint, I just don't think he was any worse than his contemporaries in Paris, Vienna or Istanbul.

Prost!
Brad

 

[Rob]

Edward Longshanks was a pretty brutal character, wouldn't you say?

I think it's more fair to say that Henry VIII was a product of his time. As far as applying torture goes, well, we consider it cruel, but in his day, was it considered out of the ordinary, in a time when physical punishment was commonplace? And was he as bad as Ivan Grozhny or any of the Balkan princelings, starting with Vlad Tepes, or the Turks, or any of the rulers elsewhere in the world? It would take another hundred years or so, from Henry's day, before political philosophers began to take up the idea that physical force was not an appropriate tool of justice, until the suspected person was found to be guilty, and even longer before rulers or parliaments could be convinced of that and brought to pass laws banishing it, at least in the West. And even in our time, it's only a quick step in that direction, a thought that someone isn't watching, before those who can, apply physical force, to get what they want.

So, I think it's a little unfair to judge Henry in that way. I'm not saying he was a saint, I just don't think he was any worse than his contemporaries in Paris, Vienna or Istanbul.

Prost!
Brad

Interesting point. Henry did seem to have a vindictive side, this appeared to get worse as he got older and his health got worse. He did make a habit of changing the law to persecute people.Apart from the boiling episode there was the case of Katherine Howards lady in waiting who he wanted executed after Katherines. Because she was from nobility she could not be tortured physically by law, so she was pyscholgically tortured. Under this torture she had a nervous breakdown, under the law you cold not execute a mentally illl person, so once again he had the law changed just so she could be and of course she lost her head.

But you make a good point about the standards of Horror of the day and what was acceptable and what was not. Boiling alive is a hideous death, but then so was Hang drawing and quartering. It is stated that Henry had terrible violent mood swings brought on by the ulcers in his legs and rumoured syphilis, so its perhaps understandable about his mood swings. He was also much loved I understand by the people.

Rob

 

[thebritfarmer]

Edward Longshanks was a pretty brutal character, wouldn't you say?

I think it's more fair to say that Henry VIII was a product of his time. As far as applying torture goes, well, we consider it cruel, but in his day, was it considered out of the ordinary, in a time when physical punishment was commonplace? And was he as bad as Ivan Grozhny or any of the Balkan princelings, starting with Vlad Tepes, or the Turks, or any of the rulers elsewhere in the world? It would take another hundred years or so, from Henry's day, before political philosophers began to take up the idea that physical force was not an appropriate tool of justice, until the suspected person was found to be guilty, and even longer before rulers or parliaments could be convinced of that and brought to pass laws banishing it, at least in the West. And even in our time, it's only a quick step in that direction, a thought that someone isn't watching, before those who can, apply physical force, to get what they want.

So, I think it's a little unfair to judge Henry in that way. I'm not saying he was a saint, I just don't think he was any worse than his contemporaries in Paris, Vienna or Istanbul.

Prost!
Brad

I think that is something that is commonly done and that is applying standards to those that happened years ago be it 40 yrs or 400 yrs.