E-Bay Biased against King&Country LAH series items (1 Viewer)

PanzerAce1944

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As of yesterday I was bidding on the K&C LAH drum horse figure until E-Bay removed
it from their listing because of basically what this item represents. The item for sale
was shown from the front with no swasticas visible.Yet numerous coins and stamps
remain for sale with swasticas everywhere on these items !!! What Gives ?????:confused::confused:
 
As of yesterday I was bidding on the K&C LAH drum horse figure until E-Bay removed
it from their listing because of basically what this item represents. The item for sale
was shown from the front with no swasticas visible.Yet numerous coins and stamps
remain for sale with swasticas everywhere on these items !!! What Gives ?????:confused::confused:

Thats to bad E - bay should not of done that .
 
As of yesterday I was bidding on the K&C LAH drum horse figure until E-Bay removed
it from their listing because of basically what this item represents. The item for sale
was shown from the front with no swasticas visible.Yet numerous coins and stamps
remain for sale with swasticas everywhere on these items !!! What Gives ?????:confused::confused:


Dear "PanzerAce1944":

Ah, eBay and their inconsistant rules. Off hand I do not recall how to get to thier web-site page to view all of their rules. In a nut shell they allow the selling of Nazi items that relate to movies, coins, currency & books, but not very much else. Why toy soldiers are not an exception as well I have no idea. I ran into to this situation in March 2007 when they delisted a bunch of older K&C Berlin 1938 LAH sets I listed for sale. I Re relisted all the figure sets so that Nazi flag or arm bands did not show & I was OK with eBay for a full 7 day period of listings. I think eBay has stupid rules in this regard, but you have to be able to work around it. Ebay is not going to change thier rules for us toy soldier collectors.

"Iron Brigade"
 
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I had a WS35 Hitler figure pulled last week. Not the first time they've done that to me and won't be the last.

They have policies which, I think, have more to do with foreign laws than anything else. In certain EU countries, it's a crime to trade in these types of things and eBay doesn't want liability.

As far as coins and stamps go, I suppose there is an argument that there is a difference in those items as people had to use them no matter what they felt about them as they were currency and postage of the time and that shouldn't impact the hobby.
 
The owners of Ebay have certain religous beliefs that influences their policy. Every so often Ebay appears to purge certain listed items. With regards to the LAH series I believe that they have identified certain pieces in the past. As even if pieces are listed without photo's they still get delisted.
 
The owners of Ebay have certain religous beliefs that influences their policy. Every so often Ebay appears to purge certain listed items. With regards to the LAH series I believe that they have identified certain pieces in the past. As even if pieces are listed without photo's they still get delisted.

I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean as I believe the principal shareholder is Jewish. I believe it as Gideon says. eBay believes that as an international company they have to comply with the laws of the companies in which they operate. However, they are very inconsistent with the application of their policies. Some things get through and some don't. If you're careful as a seller, you shouldn't have a problem.
 
I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean as I believe the principal shareholder is Jewish. I believe it as Gideon says. eBay believes that as an international company they have to comply with the laws of the companies in which they operate. However, they are very inconsistent with the application of their policies. Some things get through and some don't. If you're careful as a seller, you shouldn't have a problem.

It is illegal to sell or supply certain items to or in France and Germany. However Ebay applies its own listing rules to items it deems to promote, incite or glorify racial hatred. The LAH range of course has a particular historical signficance in this regard.

Being careful is not enough from my own experience. Though I agree that there is a lack of consistancy in the K&C items that they delist, as it seem to depends on who is performing the reviewing it seems. There's no right of appeal to their decision and Ebay mark your account with non-compliance warnings, which ultimately can lead to a removal of account status.
 
It may help if you limit the listing to the US and England and make sure Europe is excluded, especially Germany, Austria and France.

Terry
 
Apparently from an internal staff memo in the UK.

In accordance with our Offensive Materials policy, eBay does not permit Nazi items to be sold on our site. This means that items that bear any markings of the Nazi party are prohibited on eBay. This applies even if the offending symbols have been cropped, edited or otherwise covered or altered in the image or description of the item. Prohibited items also include those that are advertised with Nazi terms, including but not limited to: Aryan nation, Hitler, Hitler Youth, HJ, NSDAP, NSKK, Nazi, Neo-Nazi, RZM, SS, or Third Reich. Sellers may not use techniques to circumvent our policy, such as substituting XX or other double letters to signify SS items. Exceptions to this rule are as follows: – Stamps and coins are allowed even if they contain offensive symbols. – Non-propaganda books and movies about WWII or Nazi Germany, even if the Nazi symbol appears on or in the item – Mein Kampf may be sold provided that it is not a German language edition of the book. Also sellers must state in their listing that they will not ship this item to the following countries: Austria, France, Germany and Italy. Items from or related to Nazi Germany are sought after by collectors and historians the world over. However, eBay is now a worldwide community, with many of its users residing in countries where the possession or sale of items associated with hate organizations in general, and the Nazi Party in particular, is a criminal offense. eBay has always exercised prudence in determining what it must disallow in order to foster a worldwide trading community. However, eBay will deem inappropriate and remove listings of items whose primary value is that they are from or promote organizations that glorify hatred, violence, racial or religious intolerance, such as the Aryan Nation, Hitler Youth, KKK, Nazis, neo-Nazis, etc. eBay will review listings that are brought to its attention by its global community, and will look at the entire listing to determine whether it is in violation of our policies.
 
So....What this last statement says is : an actual coin or stamp made and used during the period by the nazis is O.K. but a post war TOY SOLDIER made in the last
few years is "NOT". Seems kind of out of balance here but.... IT IS WHAT IT IS !:redface2:
 
I see all K&C items, including Nazi ones, for sale both in France and in Germany, including the LAH series, and this from mainstream sellers. The Nazi symbols are simply cropped from pictures but nothing else.
Since it's toy soldiers we're talking here (not exactly Nazi propaganda material^&grin) I believe this E-bay policy is quite absurd. PC taken to these absurd extremes surely becomes what it wants to erase, if you ask me... Do they also prohibit people from selling the «Mein Kampf» book or «Das Kapital» by Marx?

Paulo
 
I am actually Jewish, with relatives who died in the Holocaust, and even I (who is the first to jump on something Nazi that I think is offensive) think that ebay's move was totally unreasonable. I have nothing against any LAH dioramas, and think the key to not repeating the past is to remember it. I start getting offended when items enter the realm of reproductions that are oriented towards Neo-Nazies.
-Sandor
 

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