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"Really? Every year we Braves fans seem to bow to the glory that is Boston when they come to town. Were not supposed to?"

Bow to the glory that is Boston? Not sure I know where you are going with that one, other than there are loads of former Bostonians now living in Atlanta, so the park is full of Red Sox fans, just like most parks when the Red Sox travel.

Also, the Braves used to play in Boston lest you forget.............
 
"Really? Every year we Braves fans seem to bow to the glory that is Boston when they come to town. Were not supposed to?"

Bow to the glory that is Boston? Not sure I know where you are going with that one, other than there are loads of former Bostonians now living in Atlanta, so the park is full of Red Sox fans, just like most parks when the Red Sox travel.

Also, the Braves used to play in Boston lest you forget.............
Now who was the only Brave to play in Boston, Milwaukee and Atlanta?
 
"This is like watching Ken Burns' "Baseball" documentary, there's more to MLB than Boston and New York, y'know ;)"

There is?

You're right, just like Ken "I never threw a ball in my life" Burns told us, baseball's history consists of the Yankees, the Red Sox, and the Negro Leagues. And there was a guy named Pete Rose who did something at some time, but he lived in that hinterland to the west, beyond the Hudson River, where nothing of note ever happens to anyone. :D
 
Baron, you are 100% correct on Ken Burns series.
Anybody ever here of Stan Musial?
Was Hank Aarron, Ernie Banks name thrown out there more than once.
This may be politicaly incorrect, but Jackie Robinson didn,t raise the dead, cure the sick or walk on water, although watching that series one would think so.
Correct me if I,m wrong, but I believe the St louis Cardinals are second only to the N.Y. Yankeees for being in the most World Series.
Alright all you Boston, New York guys let me have it!
Gary
 
I would agree about Stan Musial, one of the greats who doesnt get talked about nearly enough.
 
Baron, you are 100% correct on Ken Burns series.
Anybody ever here of Stan Musial?
Was Hank Aarron, Ernie Banks name thrown out there more than once.
This may be politicaly incorrect, but Jackie Robinson didn,t raise the dead, cure the sick or walk on water, although watching that series one would think so.
Correct me if I,m wrong, but I believe the St louis Cardinals are second only to the N.Y. Yankeees for being in the most World Series.
Alright all you Boston, New York guys let me have it!
Gary

Stan was great, one of the greatest and, yes, the Cards are second to the Yankees.

Why are you picking on Jackie? He was a great player but he and Branch Rickey broke the color barrier in baseball. That's quite a feat for those times, hard for us to realize what it must have been like. Just think if it had broken twenty years before; the records made a white only league would have been shattered to pieces by the black players kept out of the Major Leagues.

And whether you like it or not, from the late 40s to early 60s, the center of baseball was New York, Gotham, the Big Apple. Do I need to bring out the records to show you? Let's just say that in the 50s the three greatest center fielders of that time patrolled Yankee Stadium (Mickey Mantle), the Polo Grounds (Willie Mays) and Ebbets Field (Duke Snider).
 
Hi Guys,

Had to enter this discussion. As many of you know I am a Yankees fan and will be glad to discuss the finer points of the rivalry between NY and Boston at anytime. I will point out that I dont particularly like the Yankees buying players for a ton of cash but I dont own the team and you cant argue with the long term results. Now another thing that needs to be pointed out is they players that the Yankees dumped this fall had some pretty hefty saleries so they could afford to go for a new player at 1st. But since its a busy day here I cant spend all day argueing with all the upset redsox fans. So with that I offer an alternative for you to consider.

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Any Red Sox fans feeling down about the coming season need only think of this... atleast they aint a Cubs fan.
 
Dave, that's just cold. I am a lifelong Yankee fan, and while I absolutely hate the Redsox, I respect them as the short end of the best rivalry in Baseball, and all American sports. And lets face it, they have had the best of the last 5 years, bouncing back after the Aaron Boone heartbreak.

But the Teixiera signing right out from under their nose was just beautiful. And it came in the right order, after we took care of the most important part of winning a World Series championship - pitching. If Manny wasn't such a horrible person (its funny how for years, while the Red Sox were winning those two titles, his lousy attitude was loveable "Manny being Manny") I would say grab him too, because if anybody would play to kill the Red Sox, its him. But I like a team with character. We won in the 1996-2000 years with guys with character - Jeter, Bernie Williams, Paul O'Neal (one of my all time favorite players, along with Henry Louis "Lou" Gehrig and Derrick Jeter), Tino Martinez, David Cone, Orlando "El Duque" Hernandez, Andy Petitte, Joe Girardi, Scott Brosius. Oh, and by the way, with the exception of Jeter, Bernie and Petitte, the Yankees bought all of those players.
 
"You're right, just like Ken "I never threw a ball in my life" Burns told us, baseball's history consists of the Yankees, the Red Sox, and the Negro Leagues. And there was a guy named Pete Rose who did something at some time, but he lived in that hinterland to the west, beyond the Hudson River, where nothing of note ever happens to anyone. :D"

He never fired a musket or a machine gun either, but he did a superb job with both The Civil War and The War, correct me if I am wrong.

Regarding the Yankees, it's hard to ignore a team if you are doing a history of baseball that has won 26 WS Championships. The Red Sox were a focal point for an entirely different reason, mostly for their non stop buffoonery from the sale of Babe Ruth to the blown world series in 46, 75 and 86 and the gag job in 78, blowing a 14 game lead to the Yankees and losing the playoff game by one run.

The Cardinals IMO are right there behind the Yankees regarding baseball history, then the Dodgers, Giants, Red Sox, Orioles (I remember when Christ was in crib they used to be a good team) and the A's (their teams of the early 70's were incredible, broken up because of the advent of free agency).

Regarding Pete Rose, he committed the ultimate crime in any sport and never ever admitted it, so he deserves what he got...................
 
Yeah Dave, that really was hysterical.

I really don't quite get the point however; the Red Sox, or "the short end" of the greatest rivalry in sports as Louis puts it, have won the World Series twice this decade, while the Yankees have not won it at all, so your humor is rather pointless, wouldn't you say?

Not to mention 2004; you do remember what happened in 2004, don't you Dave? If it has been erased from you memory through years of intensive electroshock therapy, let me know and I'll gladly refresh your memory, I was witness to it here in Boston for games 3 and 5 and down in New York for game 7, so let me know, ok chief?

Why would a Red Sox fan want to convert over to a Yankee fan, am I missing something?

Your diatribe has no merit, so could you please explain the point.

Also, I see you live in Washington; transplanted New Yorker are you? Lifelong Yankee fan are you?

What gives Dave, we all want to know how you became such a huge Yankee fan, so flip all the cards and tell us, ok?
 
Let's see now, things that can raise the hair on the back of peoples necks:

Unions
Baseball
The Civil War, War between the States, The War of Northern Aggression ( choose one)
 
It's always good to hear from Dave in the peanut gallery. At least he's not telling people to shut their gobs (whatever that is; must be a western expression). Maybe you should wait until your team has won something before using your gob.
 
"Why would a Red Sox fan want to convert over to a Yankee fan, am I missing something?

It is called upward mobility or bettering yourself. :D:D:D"

I'd equate it more to slumming, but hey, thats me.

You boys on the left coast have a "unique" way of looking at things, I'll give you that, must be something in the water that falls from the sky 360 days a year...........
 
Hi Guys,

Glad to bring some cheer to you all! I am especially glad that the post was taken as it should by making folks laugh. My roots are back east and I am a bit of a wanderer due to being the spouse of an active duty Army member.

My dad is a New Yorker through and through his first baseball game was at Yankee Stadium in 1941 he is a big fan. Mom is from Massachusetts and as you can guess is not a fan of the Yankees. I grew up in Western Mass and am not a fan of the Red Sox. (see a trend here) So you can probably see the fun we have at summer time gatherings. :eek:

A Favorite momment from my youth going to Fenway sitting behind the 1st base dug out cheering for the other team... Likewise if I can I try to go and make the Sox feel welcome whenever they are here in Seattle. ;) Of course my friends here just cant understand the rivalry but then again the Mariners arent one of those teams that inspire the kind of fanfare the Yankees and the Red Sox do (I'll even give Brad a pitch here by including the Mets:rolleyes:).

So I hope that helps clear up some of the questions.

All the best

Dave
 
"You're right, just like Ken "I never threw a ball in my life" Burns told us, baseball's history consists of the Yankees, the Red Sox, and the Negro Leagues. And there was a guy named Pete Rose who did something at some time, but he lived in that hinterland to the west, beyond the Hudson River, where nothing of note ever happens to anyone. :D"

He never fired a musket or a machine gun either, but he did a superb job with both The Civil War and The War, correct me if I am wrong...

Regarding Pete Rose, he committed the ultimate crime in any sport and never ever admitted it, so he deserves what he got...................

Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree with you about "Baseball", and his jazz series, too, for that matter.

I think "The Civil War" was very well done, and set the style for history documentaries that followed, like A&E's "The American Revolution", though I think you could make a case that the style had already been established in earlier series like "Victory at Sea", and "World at War".

But my comment about Pete Rose was intended to point out that, for the most part, other great players were shorted in terms of their contributions, by virtue of having played for teams other than the Yankees or the Red Sox. There's not much on Musial, Gibson, Brock, for example.

Understood, Pete Rose bet on baseball games, and on his own team, which breaks the rules MLB has defined. I agree 100% that he should not be inducted into the Hall of Fame, certainly not until he admits that he broke the rules and shows repentance, and then only after the Commissioner's office might review his case and allow the exception. But that doesn't diminish from his contribution between the lines.

My gym teacher in junior high, who is a friend of my father's (they taught together for years), served in the Marines with Rose, and said he was a selfish, arrogant pr**k then, too, so I've never doubted any reports I hear of people who have the same experience when they meet him. But it doesn't take away from his career. I guess it is one more example of human nature, though, that we so often mix the best and noblest with the worst and basest.

Anyway, too much New York and Boston, not enough other cities.
 

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