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Scott said:
My one observation is that this figure of the woman in the boots, torn skirt, and corset is way off for the 18th century and was possibly a conversion of "Elena" from the Legend of Zorro which is more 1840s (movie timeline)

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Skirts and chemises were fuller, and the chemise had the longish sleeves as the above figures have. The corset is early 1800s.

But none of these fit a display or diorama meant to be an accurate display of the period.

Just sayin'.
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I used this same Conte female figure as one of the Alamo women survivors as I just could not find any metal female figures per se to reasonably fit the end scenes of the dio. Having three of this Conte set in my stash I had the option of conversion-With this particular figure her pistol arm was completely removed and a new arm molded posed as slightly hoisting her torn skirt up as she walked; skirt extended closer to the ground with a petticoat just showing beneath the skirt-the chemise-which I liked-was left intact. Her left arm posed as her balance in the original was also retained- as it fitted either as supporting the old woman & children figure or resting on top of the rim of the wagon wheel as per picture. She was then given a whole new paint job with emphasis on her darker hair and olive complexion more akin to her Spanish bloodline.

I have no doubt whatsoever that she will not pass Scott's exacting accuracy for a female dorned in apparel befitting a 1836 Tex/Mex scenario but I thought that she looked "near enough" especially her expression of defiance as she walks past Santa Anna.

Reb

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UKReb said:
I used this same Conte female figure as one of the Alamo women survivors as I just could not find any metal female figures per se to reasonably fit the end scenes of the dio. Having three of this Conte set in my stash I had the option of conversion-With this particular figure her pistol arm was completely removed and a new arm molded posed as slightly hoisting her torn skirt up as she walked; skirt extended closer to the ground with a petticoat just showing beneath the skirt-the chemise-which I liked-was left intact. Her left arm posed as her balance in the original was also retained- as it fitted either as supporting the old woman & children figure or resting on top of the rim of the wagon wheel as per picture. She was then given a whole new paint job with emphasis on her darker hair and olive complexion more akin to her Spanish bloodline.

I have no doubt whatsoever that she will not pass Scott's exacting accuracy for a female dorned in apparel befitting a 1836 Tex/Mex scenario but I thought that she looked "near enough" especially her expression of defiance as she walks past Santa Anna.

Reb

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I didn't realise that this was the same figure! You clever old Reb you! :cool:

Jeff :):)
 
UKReb said:
I used this same Conte female figure as one of the Alamo women survivors as I just could not find any metal female figures per se to reasonably fit the end scenes of the dio. Having three of this Conte set in my stash I had the option of conversion-With this particular figure her pistol arm was completely removed and a new arm molded posed as slightly hoisting her torn skirt up as she walked; skirt extended closer to the ground with a petticoat just showing beneath the skirt-the chemise-which I liked-was left intact. Her left arm posed as her balance in the original was also retained- as it fitted either as supporting the old woman & children figure or resting on top of the rim of the wagon wheel as per picture. She was then given a whole new paint job with emphasis on her darker hair and olive complexion more akin to her Spanish bloodline.

I have no doubt whatsoever that she will not pass Scott's exacting accuracy for a female dorned in apparel befitting a 1836 Tex/Mex scenario but I thought that she looked "near enough" especially her expression of defiance as she walks past Santa Anna.

Reb

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So THAT's where she came from Reb...??? I do admit that I wondered where you got her. I thought she fitted into your scene to perfection.

Cheers
H
 
"I have no doubt whatsoever that she will not pass Scott's exacting accuracy for a female dorned in apparel befitting a 1836 Tex/Mex scenario but I thought that she looked "near enough" especially her expression of defiance as she walks past Santa Anna."

( Meeeoooow! UK Reb. Geeeze. ) :eek::confused::eek:

I really like the conversion to! The old Cliff Sanderson "upset" woman in the cart works pretty good as well. While we know the fashions of the time from images and paintings including period images of Mexican women, one can't say exactly what Mrs. Dickenson or Bowie's sister in law might have looked like at the time under those conditions except if they are wearing outfits form 50 years earlier or not in fashion anywhere yet.

Your conversions look great to me. :D
 
UK Reb, You've also covered a good number of the women surviving the siege.

“The best-known of the Alamo survivors, at least historically, were Susanna Dickinson and her young daughter, Angelina. Others included Francisco Esparza, Gertrudis Navarro, Petra Gonzales, and Conception Losoya and her son, Juan — all family members of Mexican or Tejano defenders of the Alamo."

“One name missing from the DRT list of survivors is Andrea Castañón Villanueva, a woman known as Madam Candelaria."

http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/features/local_story_313151500.html/resources_printstory



There were other women at the Alamo, too

By Susan Smith
San Marcos Public Library

November 08, 2008 07:27 pm

http://www.alamocity.com/alamo/

"Present in the Alamo were Captain Almeron Dickinson's wife, Susanna, and their 15-month-old daughter, Angelina. After the battle, Santa Anna ordered Mrs. Dickingson, her child, and other noncombatants be spared. Other known survivors were Joe, Travis servant; Gertrudis Navarro, 15, sister by adoption to James Bowie's wife, Ursula; Juana Navarro Alsbury, sister of Gertrudis, and her 18-month-old son, Alijo; Gregorio Esparza's wife Ana, and her four children: Enrique, Francisco, Manuel and Maria de Jesus; Trinidad Saucedo and Petra Gonzales. ...."



Juana is the woman shown in the 2004 film as the woman who Bowie imagines is his dead wife Ursula.
 
Slightly off topic but the Britains Ltd. series of "petticoats" looks great for having period correct ladies to pose with the troops.
 
UKReb said:
I used this same Conte female figure as one of the Alamo women survivors as I just could not find any metal female figures per se to reasonably fit the end scenes of the dio. Having three of this Conte set in my stash I had the option of conversion-With this particular figure her pistol arm was completely removed and a new arm molded posed as slightly hoisting her torn skirt up as she walked; skirt extended closer to the ground with a petticoat just showing beneath the skirt-the chemise-which I liked-was left intact. Her left arm posed as her balance in the original was also retained- as it fitted either as supporting the old woman & children figure or resting on top of the rim of the wagon wheel as per picture. She was then given a whole new paint job with emphasis on her darker hair and olive complexion more akin to her Spanish bloodline.

I have no doubt whatsoever that she will not pass Scott's exacting accuracy for a female dorned in apparel befitting a 1836 Tex/Mex scenario but I thought that she looked "near enough" especially her expression of defiance as she walks past Santa Anna.
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Fantastic conversion Bob. I thought you said she was some Russian figure you picked up somewhere. She does seem still available from Conte, would her size fit in with a certain Napoleonic set of figures I fancy? I can imagine including here in some great Sharpe vignettes with a few changes here and there?:cool:
 
Scott said:
UK Reb, You've also covered a good number of the women surviving the siege.

“The best-known of the Alamo survivors, at least historically, were Susanna Dickinson and her young daughter, Angelina. Others included Francisco Esparza, Gertrudis Navarro, Petra Gonzales, and Conception Losoya and her son, Juan — all family members of Mexican or Tejano defenders of the Alamo."

“One name missing from the DRT list of survivors is Andrea Castañón Villanueva, a woman known as Madam Candelaria."

http://www.sanmarcosrecord.com/features/local_story_313151500.html/resources_printstory



There were other women at the Alamo, too

By Susan Smith
San Marcos Public Library

November 08, 2008 07:27 pm

http://www.alamocity.com/alamo/

"Present in the Alamo were Captain Almeron Dickinson's wife, Susanna, and their 15-month-old daughter, Angelina. After the battle, Santa Anna ordered Mrs. Dickingson, her child, and other noncombatants be spared. Other known survivors were Joe, Travis servant; Gertrudis Navarro, 15, sister by adoption to James Bowie's wife, Ursula; Juana Navarro Alsbury, sister of Gertrudis, and her 18-month-old son, Alijo; Gregorio Esparza's wife Ana, and her four children: Enrique, Francisco, Manuel and Maria de Jesus; Trinidad Saucedo and Petra Gonzales. ...."



Juana is the woman shown in the 2004 film as the woman who Bowie imagines is his dead wife Ursula.
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Interestingly, Losoya is the only defender of the Alamo who has his own statue, not sure why they picked him of all the others who died there.
 
All I could find is that Losoya was one of Seguin's company and had been a Mexican soldier in Texas before the War Of Texas Independence. Perhaps it was his family that had the statue put up. I looks like he is holding the 1824 Flag.


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Spitfrnd said:
Fantastic conversion Bob. I thought you said she was some Russian figure you picked up somewhere. She does seem still available from Conte, would her size fit in with a certain Napoleonic set of figures I fancy? I can imagine including here in some great Sharpe vignettes with a few changes here and there?:cool:
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Sierra shows her as 1/32 scale. I guess that's from the base to the top of her pretty little head. So I'd think you could use her as a "small" lady.

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Let A Lady Show You How Tis Done Item: ROG012
Scale 1/32
Status: In Stock
Price: $48.00

Trouble is, you have to buy her "victim" as well Bill.

Cheers
Harry
 
Scott said:
Slightly off topic but the Britains Ltd. series of "petticoats" looks great for having period correct ladies to pose with the troops.
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Yeah, but they're glossy, aren't they? If so, then they wouldn't go too well with my Napoleonics.

Regards
Harry
 
The figure might be good for "Wild West: w/o the flintlock pistol. A Sharpe's scene could work as well or hand her a linstock and have her firing a cannon at Saragossa. Women tended to cover their hair or wear it up or back in the 1700-1800s, so the long flying hair might be good for an extreme situation. The "Elena costume" isn't true to the movie nor to a set historical period w/o conversions.

So...why do a set-up of accurate, well done troops and pop in a female fantasy figure?

Just sayin'.
 
Scott said:
The figure might be good for "Wild West: w/o the flintlock pistol. A Sharpe's scene could work as well or hand her a linstock and have her firing a cannon at Saragossa. Women tended to cover their hair or wear it up or back in the 1700-1800s, so the long flying hair might be good for an extreme situation. The "Elena costume" isn't true to the movie nor to a set historical period w/o conversions.

So...why do a set-up of accurate, well done troops and pop in a female fantasy figure?

Just sayin'.
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Well my intention would be one of Sharpe's ladies and there were many real female Guerrillas fighting against the French in the Peninsula so with a little conversion, I think she might do just fine. Better a tad small than over sized 60 mm so I may have to take the plunge. Anyone want a wounded Indian?:D
 
There's dozens of images of The Maid of Saragossa out there. A few of female Guerrillas as well.


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Casta Alverez

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Comic book character..

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Movie....

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These Spanish reenactors have a good impression of female guerrillas.

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marco55 said:
No Harry,Their not glossy.
Mark
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Could've fooled me then Mark, (not difficult, granted). From the photos that Randy puts up regularly I assumed the Petticoate range is done in gloss.
If not then maybe it was raining when this photo was taken then?

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Seriously though, if they're really not glossy, then I might take a closer look at them. The addition of female figures can go a long way in adding interest to Napoleonic displays, or any other era in time come to think of it.

Thanks
Harry
 
Scott said:
"I have no doubt whatsoever that she will not pass Scott's exacting accuracy for a female dorned in apparel befitting a 1836 Tex/Mex scenario but I thought that she looked "near enough" especially her expression of defiance as she walks past Santa Anna."

( Meeeoooow! UK Reb. Geeeze. ) :eek::confused::eek:

I really like the conversion to! The old Cliff Sanderson "upset" woman in the cart works pretty good as well. While we know the fashions of the time from images and paintings including period images of Mexican women, one can't say exactly what Mrs. Dickenson or Bowie's sister in law might have looked like at the time under those conditions except if they are wearing outfits form 50 years earlier or not in fashion anywhere yet.

Your conversions look great to me. :D
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Blimey Scott things must be looking up-me receiving praise from Caesar indeed! Whatever next:D

Bill-thanks for the appreciative comment but she will be a little small against your Frenchie/Brit guys and Harry-Mark is correct in her original pose she's not a glossy but more a Matte finish.

Thanks guys

Bob
 
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