Flying pencil heading to Hendon (1 Viewer)

[Rob]

Look forward to seeing this when its been restored;


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12997528

 

[Spitfrnd]

Look forward to seeing this when its been restored;

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12997528

Thanks for posting this my friend.^&cool It is hard to believe it is the last one. Sadly it seems they will not be really restoring it but rather cleaning it up and displaying it as damaged. They say that is because a full restoration would make it little more than a replica but that doesn't convine me; I think it is more about budget.

 

[Rob]

Thanks for posting this my friend.^&cool It is hard to believe it is the last one. Sadly it seems they will not be really restoring it but rather cleaning it up and displaying it as damaged. They say that is because a full restoration would make it little more than a replica but that doesn't convine me; I think it is more about budget.

I agree mate, got to be about budget, when you look at the size of the new Battle of Britain Victory building they are going to put up they are bound to be short of cash!. Yes its a shame it won't be restored, but still interesting to see I guess. Can't wait to see the new building looks and sounds great as does the decision to turn Bentley priory into a museum.

Rob

 

[uksubs]

I agree mate, got to be about budget, when you look at the size of the new Battle of Britain Victory building they are going to put up they are bound to be short of cash!. Yes its a shame it won't be restored, but still interesting to see I guess. Can't wait to see the new building looks and sounds great as does the decision to turn Bentley priory into a museum.

Rob

Hendon museum is well worth a visit ,but I think with all the cuts going on in the country it would be wrong to spend loads of money on a full rebuild

 

[PanzerAce1944]

WW II German Bomber found off of England's coast

This sonar image is of a WWII German Dornier 17 Bomber shot down near the Kent coastline in 1940. According to experts the aircraft is well preserved and plans are in the works to raise the plane from its current 50 foot sunken depth. ^&cool

 

[Peter Reuss]

Out of curiosity, what is the protocol if they find the remains of one of the airmen still in the plane. Would they be returned to Germany with full military honors?

Come to think of it, what was the protocol for Germans KIA in the Battle of Britain. Were they buried with any military honor...or just put in the ground? It was a tense time...I can't see a lot of care being put into burying a German under the circumstances.

 

[uksubs]

Out of curiosity, what is the protocol if they find the remains of one of the airmen still in the plane. Would they be returned to Germany with full military honors?

Come to think of it, what was the protocol for Germans KIA in the Battle of Britain. Were they buried with any military honor...or just put in the ground? It was a tense time...I can't see a lot of care being put into burying a German under the circumstances.

Think they would be sent to Germany with full military honours , I know that this happened to a German gunner who was based in jersey during the war as it was in this month Britain at War magazine

 

[Rob]

Out of curiosity, what is the protocol if they find the remains of one of the airmen still in the plane. Would they be returned to Germany with full military honors?

Come to think of it, what was the protocol for Germans KIA in the Battle of Britain. Were they buried with any military honor...or just put in the ground? It was a tense time...I can't see a lot of care being put into burying a German under the circumstances.

Some were indeed buried in this country with full military honours, there are over five thousand in all, some buried at Cannock chase cemetery in staffordshire whilst others are scattered in cemeteries all over the country, many German aircrew killed in the Battle of Britain were buried in local Church cemeteries nearest where they came down. The crew who died in the bomber we are talking of are buried in Deal in Kent. There are tales of Luftwaffe pilots being lynched on landing by angry crowds and their bodies being buried in unmarked graves, whether this is true or urban myth I'm unsure.

Neil, the Hendon museum is not having a rebuild, there is a totally new building taller than St Pauls being built as a huge memorial to the Victory in the Battle of Britain, I believe much private money is being given towards it and not all coming from Government. As far as I'm concerned I wouldn't mind if the government paid every single penny, these men saved this country from the evil of the Nazi's and deserve every single penny, and if we can afford the Olympics we sure can afford this:wink2:^&cool

Rob

 

[Rob]

Re: WW II German Bomber found off of England's coast

This sonar image is of a WWII German Dornier 17 Bomber shot down near the Kent coastline in 1940. According to experts the aircraft is well preserved and plans are in the works to raise the plane from its current 50 foot sunken depth. ^&cool

Yes this is the same bomber we are talking of^&cool

Rob

 

[uksubs]

Some were indeed buried in this country with full military honours, there are over five thousand in all, some buried at Cannock chase cemetery in staffordshire whilst others are scattered in cemeteries all over the country, many German aircrew killed in the Battle of Britain were buried in local Church cemeteries nearest where they came down. The crew who died in the bomber we are talking of are buried in Deal in Kent. There are tales of Luftwaffe pilots being lynched on landing by angry crowds and their bodies being buried in unmarked graves, whether this is true or urban myth I'm unsure.

Neil, the Hendon museum is not having a rebuild, there is a totally new building taller than St Pauls being built as a huge memorial to the Victory in the Battle of Britain, I believe much private money is being given towards it and not all coming from Government. As far as I'm concerned I wouldn't mind if the government paid every single penny, these men saved this country from the evil of the Nazi's and deserve every single penny, and if we can afford the Olympics we sure can afford this:wink2:^&cool

Rob

Hi Rob
I was talking about a rebuild of the plane mate , not the Battle Of Britain memorial witch is worth every penny

 

[Rob]

Hi Rob
I was talking about a rebuild of the plane mate , not the Battle Of Britain memorial witch is worth every penny

I see:wink2: I guess it will be still worth seeing as it is right now, bullet holes and all etc.

Rob

 

[Mitch]

There is substantial documentation where both Luftwaffe and Kriesmarine personal buried and paid respects to RAF and RN naval personal.

This was reciprocated by the RN and RAF. There was a respect and chivalry especially the RAF to these issues. I think this was unique to the west not read about any russian pilots etc given such treatment or, german pilots by the russians.
Mitch

 

[Rob]

This is quite interesting;

http://johnsample.50megs.com/johnsample text/thestoryofrobertzehbe.html

Rob

 

[PanzerAce1944]

There is a World at War segment showing an RAF honor guard giving a Luftwaffe pilot full military honors during burial. Quite applausable considering the circumstances !!! Also from everything I have seen or read both American and British airmen were generally treated well by the Germans when captured. With the Russians it was a different story. Totall war on both sides. {sm2}

 

[Rob]

There is a World at War segment showing an RAF honor guard giving a Luftwaffe pilot full military honors during burial. Quite applausable considering the circumstances !!! Also from everything I have seen or read both American and British airmen were generally treated well by the Germans when captured. With the Russians it was a different story. Totall war on both sides. {sm2}

Didn't the Germans/Nazi's encourage acts of violence against allied bomber crews shot down towards the end of the War, I thought there were actual accounts of RAF/USAAF crew murdered by mobs or officials on landing?

I know several Luftwaffe pilots were attacked when they came down during Battle of Britain but am unsure as to whether any were actually killed.

Rob

 

[Mitch]

Rob...

A few must have had a pitchfork up their Jacksies from an angry farmer.... Get orf my land!!!!! they just don't like it upe em!!

In the central library at Newcastle there are some pics of a english woman is hitting a german pilot from a shot down aircraft with her shoe as he is marched by civillians. I bet that hurt and, always makes me laugh.

The early war was all very gentlemanly with respect for aircrew on both sides but, as you say, it did not last very long
Mitch

Didn't the Germans/Nazi's encourage acts of violence against allied bomber crews shot down towards the end of the War, I thought there were actual accounts of RAF/USAAF crew murdered by mobs or officials on landing?

I know several Luftwaffe pilots were attacked when they came down during Battle of Britain but am unsure as to whether any were actually killed.

Rob

 

[Rob]

Rob...

A few must have had a pitchfork up their Jacksies from an angry farmer.... Get orf my land!!!!! they just don't like it upe em!!

In the central library at Newcastle there are some pics of a english woman is hitting a german pilot from a shot down aircraft with her shoe as he is marched by civillians. I bet that hurt and, always makes me laugh.

The early war was all very gentlemanly with respect for aircrew on both sides but, as you say, it did not last very long
Mitch

^&grin

You have to love that scene from B.O.B don't you!:wink2:

I think the reception Nazi pilots got ranged from unwelcome to in some cases (probably not that many) life threatening. The Newcastle example you quote sounds like more of the former but none the less uncomfortable and scary for the pilot, sounds like he got off quite lightly. I think those pilots that came down in heavily bombed areas were in more danger.(no offence to Newcastle in any way Mitch-I know Newcastle suffered too,I mean in all city areas ,Newcastle included) I remember my gran telling me probably forty years ago that when one was spotted floating down near Waterloo station people flocked to where they thought he was going to land and he received a much rougher reception. I was reading of one Luftwaffe pilot who died of wounds after landing in London and to this day it is unclear whether they were inflicted pre or post bailing out. It is one of those terribly sad elements of war that show the raw emotions of people involved. On the one hand the guy must have been terrified as he floated down watching the lynch mob awaitng him and even I (despite what some think:rolleyes2can feel pity for him , on the other you have a group of local people who've been bombed for weeks,losing friends,family members and homes, wanting to get their revenge on any German they lay their hands on. Just another of the millions and millions of human stories that make the conflict so fascinating.

Wouldn't you just love that B.O.B scene in a set Mitch^&cool

Rob

 

[Mitch]

Rob...

Well put. It would indeed be a great set as would the capture of Von Werra with the cook and his meat cleaver.
Mitch

^&grin

You have to love that scene from B.O.B don't you!:wink2:

I think the reception Nazi pilots got ranged from unwelcome to in some cases (probably not that many) life threatening. The Newcastle example you quote sounds like more of the former but none the less uncomfortable and scary for the pilot, sounds like he got off quite lightly. I think those pilots that came down in heavily bombed areas were in more danger.(no offence to Newcastle in any way Mitch-I know Newcastle suffered too,I mean in all city areas ,Newcastle included) I remember my gran telling me probably forty years ago that when one was spotted floating down near Waterloo station people flocked to where they thought he was going to land and he received a much rougher reception. I was reading of one Luftwaffe pilot who died of wounds after landing in London and to this day it is unclear whether they were inflicted pre or post bailing out. It is one of those terribly sad elements of war that show the raw emotions of people involved. On the one hand the guy must have been terrified as he floated down watching the lynch mob awaitng him and even I (despite what some think:rolleyes2can feel pity for him , on the other you have a group of local people who've been bombed for weeks,losing friends,family members and homes, wanting to get their revenge on any German they lay their hands on. Just another of the millions and millions of human stories that make the conflict so fascinating.

Wouldn't you just love that B.O.B scene in a set Mitch^&cool

Rob

 

[Terp152]

Didn't the Germans/Nazi's encourage acts of violence against allied bomber crews shot down towards the end of the War, I thought there were actual accounts of RAF/USAAF crew murdered by mobs or officials on landing?

I know several Luftwaffe pilots were attacked when they came down during Battle of Britain but am unsure as to whether any were actually killed.

Rob

I remember reading one account of some USAAF crew members being killed by a mob. Picture depicted a German civilian being led to the gallows after being found guilty by war crimes trial. Don't know how common that scenario was. Chris