Generals Lee and Longstreet (1 Viewer)

[Toy Soldier Brigade]

 

[mestell]

And then there is nothing more telling like a real photograph of the subject . . . . .

 

[jazzeum]

I find it amazing that there is a prolonged discussion on how dappled a horse may have been {eek3}

 

[Gebhard]

I find it amazing that there is a prolonged discussion on how dappled a horse may have been {eek3}

Hi Brad,
While you find it amazing, I actually find it both ridiculous and rewarding at the same time. I guess it all depends on the personality of the potential collector, some wait for a manufacture to produce a figure and then find fault with it and reasons not to buy it while others are happy and can't wait to make the same figure part of their collections. Such is the case here, so far we have seen a painting or two from just about every Great military artist of our time which are beautiful works to be sure most showing dapples. One we all can agree that is one of the best of our time Don Troiani has a painting showing both dabbles and none, so make your choice. Then we have a photo that appears to show no dapples, then I offer another period photo below which shows dapples.

and a painting done during the period which also shows dapples.

so I guess it all depends on what you what to believe, as has been shown there are examples for both. I'm personally gonna get First Legions figure as part of my GREAT American commanders collection. He will be on the shelf next to their FANTASTIC George Washington figure, and I'm gonna set back and wait to see who will be the next Great to join em. regards Gebhard

 

[braddinpa]

I have a few CDV's of varying clarity. And the thing to remember is sometimes the photo can be washed out and lack clarity or depending on the subject they may touch it up (like the first image Lee's eyes and mouth they have added black lines). The first image appears a bit washed out and touched up while the second one (gebhart posted) appears more detailed. You can clearly see a far amount of spots. Also, I know Don Troiani is well known for the amount of research he does. In my opinion FL did get Traveler right.

 

[jazzeum]

Gebs,

i was was trying to be polite and not say ridiculous (guess it's the lawyer in me looking for a word conveying a similar meaning). I, too, am looking forward to adding these to my collection as well. Both will go well with my Aeroart Civil War generals collection.

Brad

 

[6th Wisconsin]

I was one who initially thought the dapples could have been more subtle, but as the many depictions of the horse show there has been a lot of variation. Either way, from what I have seen I will be very happy to add both to my collection.

 

[Toy Soldier Brigade]

I think Traveler should be exhumed so we can put this to rest.

 

[Dragoon]

Gebs,

i was was trying to be polite and not say ridiculous (guess it's the lawyer in me looking for a word conveying a similar meaning). I, too, am looking forward to adding these to my collection as well. Both will go well with my Aeroart Civil War generals collection.

Brad

I see nothing ridiculous about this at all. Lee, one of the most well known personages of the ACW, rode a specific horse through most of the war. That horse was a dapple grey. There is a great variety of breeds as well color/pattern variation amongst greys - which can even change as a horse ages.

It seems there is no definitive answer on just how dappled, or grey, or white Traveler actually was, with much of our impression of this animal coming from artist license. - In the mean time we've been able to enjoy viewing some historical photographs as well as some great artworks. What's so ridiculous about that.

 

[Gebhard]

I see nothing ridiculous about this at all. Lee, one of the most well known personages of the ACW, rode a specific horse through most of the war. That horse was a dapple grey. There is a great variety of breeds as well color/pattern variation amongst greys - which can even change as a horse ages.

It seems there is no definitive answer on just how dappled, or grey, or white Traveler actually was, with much of our impression of this animal coming from artist license. - In the mean time we've been able to enjoy viewing some historical photographs as well as some great artworks. What's so ridiculous about that.

Actually there's nothing ridiculous about viewing GREAT ART or period photo's that's the rewarding part I was referring to. The ridiculous part IMO is that someone would think that this Horse needs to be repainted or changed to fit one of the very variations your mentioning. If the Horse was all Black or all White or even Tan I'd be right there saying hey your way off, but that is nowhere near the case. To use your own words " That horse was a dapple grey" , "There is a great variety of breeds as well color/pattern variation amongst greys - which can even change as a horse ages." That's exactly the point there is variety in the breed so why the thought that First Legion , Don Troiani, John Paul Strain, Dale Gallon ect ect's ... interpretation is the wrong one ??? Like I said you can't please everyone and I think that's GREAT, the world would be boring if everyone were the same and for me it would be much worse then boring as all the figures I like would sell out in one day. To me First Legions version falls well into what's an acceptable version of a Dapple Grey (a thirty second image search of the breed on the net is very telling), to be Honest IMO its way beyond that level and looks very very nice. I even like that you can see Lee's comb over :wink2: now that's a topic of discussion^&grin. No hard feelings its all about open discussion each of us has our own view as to what's an acceptable figure we want in our collection and this one will be in mine. regards Gebhard