'Greatest generation' Veterans sweep past barricades at memorial in their honor (1 Viewer)

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I don't want this to get political [you can get enough on the News], but
I thought it was interesting and heart warming in spite of the political
situation. These Honor Flights have been ongoing from different parts
of the country for several months. The timing for this group wasn't the
best, but they were not deterred.
http://blog.gulflive.com/mississippi-press-news/2013/10/mississippi_gulf_coast_honor_f_21.html

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"What was meant to be a final gathering of heroes Tuesday instead became a final victory for dozens of World War II combat vets who refused to let the government's budget battle block a visit to their memorial in the nation's capital.

With bagpipers playing "Amazing Grace," nearly 200 veterans from Mississippi and Iowa swept past barricades and security guards at the World War II Memorial in Washington in order to keep a commitment to visit the site, which was closed today due to the partial government shutdown. The veterans, in their 80s and 90s, were accompanied by Rep. Steven Palazzo, R-Miss., a former Marine who earlier vowed not to let the National Park Police keep them from a planned visit to the open-air monument.

"Well, I would have been so down-and-out if I got all the way up here and wasn't able to get in," Navy veteran Oscar Leroy Russell, 90, who is blind after he suffered a stroke, told FoxNews.com.


"I’m not going to enforce the 'no stopping or standing' sign for a group of 90 World War II veterans. I’m a veteran myself.”
- U.S. Park Police officer

Some veterans on hand wiped away tears when they saw a crowd waving the American flag as they came out of their bus.

"These men and women didn't cower to the Japanese and Germans," Palazzo said. "I don't think they're about to let a few National Park Police stand in their way."

Palazzo, who was joined by several other members of Congress, moved the barricades at the memorial and police did not try to stop the veterans' access.

"I’m not going to enforce the 'no stopping or standing' sign for a group of 90 World War II veterans," a U.S. Park Police officer, who declined to give his name, told The Washington Post. “I’m a veteran myself.”

The veterans are traveling as part of Honor Flight, a program that enables World War II veterans to partake in an expense-paid trip to view the memorial. Tuesday's trip is the second-to-last flight, with the last scheduled for November. But prior to their arrival early Tuesday, there was fear that the government shutdown and federal worker furloughs would mean no access to the monuments on the National Mall.

But with lawmakers leading the charge, the American military heroes, some in wheelchairs, surged into the memorial.

"It's better to ask for forgiveness than permission," Palazzo said. “We lined the veterans up along the blockade, we saw an opening and we took it."

Joe Cleveland, of Union, Miss., told The Mississippi Press that he would "be thinking about the many battles that have been fought and thanking all those who were willing to go fight for our country."

Palazzo noted his grandfather, Manuel McCarty, served in World War II at Guadalcanal and Okinawa. Palazzo was 7 years old when his grandfather died and said he sees his grandfather in these veterans.

"I only have a couple of memories of my grandfather," said Palazzo, who has taken part of Honor Flights before. "But each time I see these men, I envision how he'd be."

Congressman Bill Huizenga, of Michigan, told GulfLive.com that "this is the best civil disobedience we've seen in Washington in a while."
 
It was completely unnecessary to barricade an open-air monument like this. I can see furloughing Park Service employees, but there was no reason to block access to the monument. Good for the veterans!

Prost!
Brad
 
And it cost money to deploy the barricade in the first place, too. Someone found budget enough to do that. Shameful.
 
It was completely unnecessary to barricade an open-air monument like this. I can see furloughing Park Service employees, but there was no reason to block access to the monument. Good for the veterans!

On the surface I tend to agree, but unfortunately even open-air monuments have to have guards to
protect from vandals. Wasn't too long ago some crazy women used green paint on the Lincoln Memorial
and the National Cathedral. No guards, no access.
 
It's a wonderful memorial too, I had the pleasure of visiting it back in 2011, along with a few other iconic US sites that day, good on the vets:salute::
 
This is a great story,so happy these gentlemen got to visit the sight.Its nice to see that common sense prevailed for a change.God bless these veterans and all of our military!!!
 
When I saw Michele Bachmann there I knew this was a trumped up photo op.
 
I have to disagree with the need for "guards" at these places. Key subjects could be monitored with cameras and a remote manned console. Any vandals could be reported to local police for action.

We have an army of park rangers in this country, something that is not replicated in any country in the world that I know of.
 
I have to disagree with the need for "guards" at these places. Key subjects could be monitored with cameras and a remote manned console. Any vandals could be reported to local police for action.

We have an army of park rangers in this country, something that is not replicated in any country in the world that I know of.

The park rangers do an outstanding job. I've seen historical sights run by private entities. There is no comparison. Those run by the federal government are much more likely to be well organized and maintain the dignity of place. There are plenty of things to be critical about with the government, but having park rangers is not one of them.
 
The park rangers do an outstanding job. I've seen historical sights run by private entities. There is no comparison. Those run by the federal government are much more likely to be well organized and maintain the dignity of place. There are plenty of things to be critical about with the government, but having park rangers is not one of them.

That's as may be, but in past shutdowns, this memorial was not closed. It seems to have been targeted specifically, and that was unnecessary.
 
Glad to see these elderly veterans took it upon themselves to visit the memorial without letting "Red Tape" get in their way !
 
That's as may be, but in past shutdowns, this memorial was not closed. It seems to have been targeted specifically, and that was unnecessary.

They have guidelines on what closes and what doesn't. This story was a thinly veiled PR op for a few politicians. The whole thing was set up in advance. Do you think Michele Bachmann and half the world media just happened to be standing there when the bus pulled in? It would have been handled the same without the media and fake story about veterans storming the barricades. They were used for political purposes.
 
They have guidelines on what closes and what doesn't. This story was a thinly veiled PR op for a few politicians. The whole thing was set up in advance. Do you think Michele Bachmann and half the world media just happened to be standing there when the bus pulled in? It would have been handled the same without the media and fake story about veterans storming the barricades. They were used for political purposes.

Of course it was for political purposes. Guidelines are a bit sketchy depending who is making what point. The WWII Memorial is and was privately funded, "funds are held on deposit with the U.S. Treasury in a National WWII Memorial Trust Fund. The funds will be used by the American Battle Monuments Commission solely to benefit the World War II Memorial.” http://www.washingtontimes.com This includes reimbursement for guards and Park Rangers.

As is some other Parks that were closed, such as: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2013/10/02/national-park-service-now-closing-parks-that-receive-no-federal-aid-n1715200
 
I have to disagree with the need for "guards" at these places. Key subjects could be monitored with cameras and a remote manned console. Any vandals could be reported to local police for action.

We have an army of park rangers in this country, something that is not replicated in any country in the world that I know of.

You might want to talk to some NPS Rangers about that and compare our numbers with other countries. I have several friends in the NPS sitting at home now. These are long service career men. To negatively refer to them as an "army" , even those in protection, (and of course maintenance,) does these fine folks a disservice. When nation park lands or monuments on these lands are vandalized the calls of where were the rangers is pretty loud. My wife and an old friend were in the NPS in the early 80s when the NPS was subject to any whim of the Sec of the Interior. So it goes today as the NPS folks are in this case, the most visible "nonessential personnel" in the current situation.

(See Rep Randy Neugebauer)
 
They have guidelines on what closes and what doesn't. This story was a thinly veiled PR op for a few politicians. The whole thing was set up in advance. Do you think Michele Bachmann and half the world media just happened to be standing there when the bus pulled in? It would have been handled the same without the media and fake story about veterans storming the barricades. They were used for political purposes.

Thanks Combat, I am just catching up with the "rest of the story".
 
...To negatively refer to them as an "army"...

I think you're misunderstanding his use of the word "army", Scott. I don't think he referred to them negatively, and I think "army" was meant in the sense of "a large number of people".
 
Gentle Friends,

Be very, very careful when discussing this topic. The political climate in the U.S. is incredibly highly charged and this thread could easily evolve into a political slugfest. Please be respectful and civil. The risk of strong exchanges of political opinions is quite high and, as you know, forum rules prohibit political discussions.

Thanks for your understanding!

Warmest personal regards,

Pat :)
 
I think you're misunderstanding his use of the word "army", Scott. I don't think he referred to them negatively, and I think "army" was meant in the sense of "a large number of people".

Thanks Baron. I took the use of the term army as describing a large number of people who have the capability of doing harm to our liberties and are a drain on the country. Of course the National Park Service, part of the Department of the Interior, is not that. It preserves and protects the land and monuments that we Americans hold meaningful keeping them accessible to all.
 
Thanks Baron. I took the use of the term army as describing a large number of people who have the capability of doing harm to our liberties and are a drain on the country. Of course the National Park Service, part of the Department of the Interior, is not that. It preserves and protects the land and monuments that we Americans hold meaningful keeping them accessible to all.

Nope, I think it was just, "a large number", without implying their intent or purpose.
 

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