Hatfields and the McCoys... (3 Viewers)

[Rob]

Excellent , thanks for taking the trouble to post this Michael,

Best

Rob

Rob...

in the first episode...

as I remember...

the fued escalated over 4 factors...

a pilfered pig...

a forbidden love affair between the existing families...

the loyalty question of one family member fighting for the North...

and a land dispute for the use of timber...

all 4 of these were explored as a cause for the feud...

 

[lancer]

Just as a matter of interest, according to the histories I have read, it was money, ie., the timber and land, that were the real causes of the feud. The other factors were all secondary occurances after the feud had already developed. It was all plain, old greed to start and it kind of went downhill from there.:rolleyes2: -- Al

 

[The Military Workshop]

Unfortunately no sign of this down under yet. Perhaps they think we do not like Westerns {sm2}

 

[Rob]

I understand tourism has boomed in the areas where this feud was fought and every year the two families come together with thousands of others for a big fair with racing, tug of war. hog roasts etc. Finally the two families appear to have made peace.

Rob

 

[lancer]

Unfortunately no sign of this down under yet. Perhaps they think we do not like Westerns {sm2}

Brett, this show is definetly not a western. Local is West Virginia/Kentucky, which is much further east than what we define as our west. At the risk of being politically incorrect, this is a hillbilly story. No cowboys to be seen.:wink2: -- Al

 

[The Military Workshop]

Brett, this show is definetly not a western. Local is West Virginia/Kentucky, which is much further east than what we define as our west. At the risk of being politically incorrect, this is a hillbilly story. No cowboys to be seen.:wink2: -- Al

If it is before 1900 in the USA and they wear guns then as far as I am concerned it is a Western. Calling it an Eastern hillbilly series is not going to bring in the viewers {sm4}

 

[Rob]

The Radio times this week could not make up its mind whether it should call it a Western or not, I think it was because of the guns and violence and ' grittiness' like that other superb show 'Deadwood' .

Rob

 

[lancer]

If it is before 1900 in the USA and they wear guns then as far as I am concerned it is a Western. Calling it an Eastern hillbilly series is not going to bring in the viewers {sm4}

I understand. Call it a Western and they will come.^&grin -- Al

 

[mikemiller1955]

Excellent , thanks for taking the trouble to post this Michael,

Best

Rob

Rob...

in the first episode...

as I remember...

the fued escalated over 4 factors...

a pilfered pig...

a forbidden love affair between the existing families...

the loyalty question of one family member fighting for the North...

and a land dispute for the use of timber...

all 4 of these were explored as a cause for the feud...

Rob...there was another factor that I forgot...one of them was a deserter...which the other took to heart...

 

[Rob]

Rob...there was another factor that I forgot...one of them was a deserter...which the other took to heart...

Thanks Michael.

Finally saw the last episode last night, big shoot out that included a shameless rip off of the Saving Private Ryan shell shock scene, but the series was enjoyable all told. Can I ask my American friends something, is the real life feud as well known in American culture as the show suggested at the end?

Rob

 

[GICOP]

Thanks Michael.

Finally saw the last episode last night, big shoot out that included a shameless rip off of the Saving Private Ryan shell shock scene, but the series was enjoyable all told. Can I ask my American friends something, is the real life feud as well known in American culture as the show suggested at the end?

Rob

I loved the series as well, my favourite......."Bad" Frank Phillips ^&grin

Cheers

Martyn

 

[lancer]

Thanks Michael.

Finally saw the last episode last night, big shoot out that included a shameless rip off of the Saving Private Ryan shell shock scene, but the series was enjoyable all told. Can I ask my American friends something, is the real life feud as well known in American culture as the show suggested at the end?

Rob

Hi Rob. The feud has widespread recognition amongst people of my generation (baby-boomers) but I can't really say about the up and coming youngsters, at least prior to the mini-series. I grew up exposed to references to the feud via cartoons and other TV shows that took cultural shots (made fun of) at the feud through comedy skits, etc. Detailed knowledge about the feud was slim, but the event was recognized as one of those things that everyone had heard about, if not actually understood. -- Al

 

[Rob]

I loved the series as well, my favourite......."Bad" Frank Phillips ^&grin

Cheers

Martyn

,

Yeah he was good wasn't he, met his end at a book signing not the sort of thing you see at Waterstones on a Saturday afternoon!^&grin

Hi Rob. The feud has widespread recognition amongst people of my generation (baby-boomers) but I can't really say about the up and coming youngsters, at least prior to the mini-series. I grew up exposed to references to the feud via cartoons and other TV shows that took cultural shots (made fun of) at the feud through comedy skits, etc. Detailed knowledge about the feud was slim, but the event was recognized as one of those things that everyone had heard about, if not actually understood. -- Al

Thanks Al.:smile2:

Rob

 

[mikemiller1955]

Thanks Michael.

Can I ask my American friends something, is the real life feud as well known in American culture as the show suggested at the end?

Rob

Rob...I don't remember how or when I became aware of it...I really don't...I don't think it was from my later schooling or elementary education...but it is an obscure well know piece of history here...it's not uncommon in my group of acquaintances to refer to it in a conversation occasionally when speaking of a long term heated disagreement between two parties...

just simple folk lore you pick up along the way...

 

[Rob]

Rob...I don't remember how or when I became aware of it...I really don't...I don't think it was from my later schooling or elementary education...but it is an obscure well know piece of history here...it's not uncommon in my group of acquaintances to refer to it in a conversation occasionally when speaking of a long term heated disagreement between two parties...

just simple folk lore you pick up along the way...

Hey Michael, thanks for your post . I'd not heard of this and was fascinated to hear it was part of the language (as you state) when describing a feud or argument etc. I also thought the chaos of the last big battle in the field was done very well indeed, light years away from the old meet outside the saloon at noon typ of thing we grew up watching!

Rob

 

[mikemiller1955]

Hey Michael, thanks for your post . I'd not heard of this and was fascinated to hear it was part of the language (as you state) when describing a feud or argument etc. I also thought the chaos of the last big battle in the field was done very well indeed, light years away from the old meet outside the saloon at noon typ of thing we grew up watching!

Rob

Honestly Rob...I don't think this was ever touched on in school...again...I don't know where I learned knowledge of it...and I myself had some misconception of the feud as being between some Hillbillys with maybe moonshine involved instead of a Civil War era feud...the movie...I agree...it was pretty well done...with a cast of Berringer, Costner and Paxson...I expected it to be entertaining...

 

[Rob]

Honestly Rob...I don't think this was ever touched on in school...again...I don't know where I learned knowledge of it...and I myself had some misconception of the feud as being between some Hillbillys with maybe moonshine involved instead of a Civil War era feud...the movie...I agree...it was pretty well done...with a cast of Berringer, Costner and Paxson...I expected it to be entertaining...

Michael,

I very much like that period just after the Civil War when things were certainly not good. For anyone who may not have looked at that period of history they may I guess think that once the War was over that was that and everyone got along nicely! But of course there was violence, revenge, settling of accounts, lynch mobs and murder. Also these events took place over large areas so any law enforcement officers must have faced big challenges. Its all a fascinating enjoyable part of history to discover, I wish there was a series two!:wink2:

And I read old man McCoy remained very bitter for the rest of his life and did die alone in a fire . A sad story from start to end but good tv.

Rob

 

[mikemiller1955]

Michael,
once the War was over that was that and everyone got along nicely! But of course there was violence, revenge, settling of accounts, lynch mobs and murder. Also these events took place over large areas so any law enforcement officers must have faced big challenges.
Rob

Rob...so true...

as at the end of any War...begins the Reconstruction Era...where fortunes are made in rebuilding...the Civil War was no exception...land specualtion...political upheaval...new factory and manufacturing opportunities...remember part of the feud roots was over land with timber...

the Civil War also marked the introduction of Carpetbaggers....

when you said..."violence, revenge, settling of accounts, lynch mobs and murder."...

of course the first thing that came to mind was the formation of the KKK...

 

[Rob]

Rob...so true...

as at the end of any War...begins the Reconstruction Era...where fortunes are made in rebuilding...the Civil War was no exception...land specualtion...political upheaval...new factory and manufacturing opportunities...remember part of the feud roots was over land with timber...

the Civil War also marked the introduction of Carpetbaggers....

when you said..."violence, revenge, settling of accounts, lynch mobs and murder."...

of course the first thing that came to mind was the formation of the KKK...

Yes indeed Michael, and of course its not like suddenly ex slaves had an easy time of it ,far from it, they had to rebuild their lives in the face of great adversity.
I find whole eras of American History just fascinating, The old West, the ACW, America in WW2, fifties America etc. Must confess to my shame I don't know much of the War of Independence , perhaps that will be a future study.:smile2:

Rob

 

[mikemiller1955]

Yes indeed Michael, and of course its not like suddenly ex slaves had an easy time of it ,far from it, they had to rebuild their lives in the face of great adversity.
I find whole eras of American History just fascinating, The old West, the ACW, America in WW2, fifties America etc. Must confess to my shame I don't know much of the War of Independence , perhaps that will be a future study.:smile2:

Rob

Rob...

slaves...ex slaves and blacks...in general had no easy time of it...before or after the War in either the North or South...

the North was so prejudiced that white people actually discriminated against other white people...the Irish that fled the famine...comprised 1/4 of New York's population in 1860...and they endured harsh discrimination and poverty...which culminated in brutal feuds with the Anti-Irish Nativists hoping to rid America of the Papist led Roman Catholics...

please watch..."Gangs of New York"...directed by Martin Scorcese...if you have not seen it already...

for the non-whites...

the entire 19th century was awful for them...no matter where you lived...the New York City Draft Policy Riot in 1865...is still considered the most violent race riot in US history...it took over 4,000 Federal troops fresh from Gettysburg to quell it...

they also briefly cover it in this movie...it gives some good insight into the acceptance of blacks in the North...

watch Gangs of New york if you get time...it's a great story with an even better cast...