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gk5717

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Just got the 2 new German sets, love the poses. One comment, the HB figures seem to be getting smaller. I noticed it with the Russian set, now these. It is more noticeable with the kneeling German as he has no base.
I set them up next to a K&C new release, a bit shorter, not really noticeable, but definetly on the thin side. Having said that K&C figures have always been on the chunky side.
However when I placed them next to a Britains 1-32, it actually fit.
I know every company has it,s own niche, but if you are going to call figures 60mm, they should be K&C size, Figartis are.
I absolutly love what HB is doing, but I,m just concerned that if they get any smaller, they will be more 1-32 scale.
Just my observation, would like anyone elses opinion.
Gary
 
It's difficult to tell with figures that aren't standing upright. I feel the standing figures match up well with K&C. I have thought even some of the crouching K&C figures look small at times.

Here are a couple of crouching K&C figures posed beside the crouching medic.
 
I have to agree. In fact I just opened both of the new sets, and was about to post the same thing. They look a lot closer to 54mm then 60mm.
 
Some Britains figures are closer to 1/30 which tends to confuse this issue. I collect 1/32 Britains Artillery sets and some of those guys are huge. But I guess big guys do tend to end up in Artillery and smaller guys in tanks :)
 
Now you got me thinking so I pulled out my caliper and measured various standing figures. (disclaimer: Measurements are approximate)

I measured from the bottom of the feet to my estimation of where the top of their head is (most of them have hats and helmets).

K&C on average came out around 63mm. The new HB radio standing figure is 61mm. The walking medic is 58mm but his knees are bent and he is leaning slightly forward.

There are a couple of ways to look at variations in size:

If they are supposed to be 1:30 then

65mm x 30 = 1950mm / 25.4 = 76.77" (6' 4.77")
64mm x 30 = 1920mm / 25.4 = 75.59" (6' 3.59")
63mm x 30 = 1890mm / 25.4 = 74.41" (6' 2.41")
62mm x 30 = 1860mm / 25.4 = 73.23" (6' 1.23")
61mm x 30 = 1830mm / 25.4 = 72.05" (6' 0.05")
60mm x 30 = 1800mm / 25.4 = 70.87" (5' 10.87")
59mm x 30 = 1770mm / 25.4 = 69.69" (5' 9.69")
58mm x 30 = 1740mm / 25.4 = 68.50" (5' 8.50")
57mm x 30 = 1710mm / 25.4 = 67.32" (5' 7.32")

People come in all sizes so any one of these heights is possible. Some people are slight and some people are beefy so I can live with some variance there as well. Where it starts to get a tad strange is when the majority of figures are over 6'.

The other way to look at it is the figure is meant to be 1800mm tall so the scale is:

1800mm / 65mm = 1:27.7
1800mm / 64mm = 1:28.1
1800mm / 63mm = 1:28.6
1800mm / 62mm = 1:29
1800mm / 61mm = 1:29.5
1800mm / 60mm = 1:30
1800mm / 59mm = 1:30.5
1800mm / 58mm = 1:31
1800mm / 57mm = 1:31.5
1800mm / 56mm = 1:32.1
1800mm / 55mm = 1:32.7
1800mm / 54mm = 1:33.3

Of course everyone is not 1800mm tall so for all the figures to be exactly the same size doesn't make sense either.

It's interesting that 54mm is often stated to be 1:32.
 
fmethorst said:
Now you got me thinking so I pulled out my caliper and measured various standing figures. (disclaimer: Measurements are approximate)

I measured from the bottom of the feet to my estimation of where the top of their head is (most of them have hats and helmets).

K&C on average came out around 63mm. The new HB radio standing figure is 61mm. The walking medic is 58mm but his knees are bent and he is leaning slightly forward.

There are a couple of ways to look at variations in size:

If they are supposed to be 1:30 then

65mm x 30 = 1950mm / 25.4 = 76.77" (6' 4.77")
64mm x 30 = 1920mm / 25.4 = 75.59" (6' 3.59")
63mm x 30 = 1890mm / 25.4 = 74.41" (6' 2.41")
62mm x 30 = 1860mm / 25.4 = 73.23" (6' 1.23")
61mm x 30 = 1830mm / 25.4 = 72.05" (6' 0.05")
60mm x 30 = 1800mm / 25.4 = 70.87" (5' 10.87")
59mm x 30 = 1770mm / 25.4 = 69.69" (5' 9.69")
58mm x 30 = 1740mm / 25.4 = 68.50" (5' 8.50")
57mm x 30 = 1710mm / 25.4 = 67.32" (5' 7.32")

People come in all sizes so any one of these heights is possible. Some people are slight and some people are beefy so I can live with some variance there as well. Where it starts to get a tad strange is when the majority of figures are over 6'.

The other way to look at it is the figure is meant to be 1800mm tall so the scale is:

1800mm / 65mm = 1:27.7
1800mm / 64mm = 1:28.1
1800mm / 63mm = 1:28.6
1800mm / 62mm = 1:29
1800mm / 61mm = 1:29.5
1800mm / 60mm = 1:30
1800mm / 59mm = 1:30.5
1800mm / 58mm = 1:31
1800mm / 57mm = 1:31.5
1800mm / 56mm = 1:32.1
1800mm / 55mm = 1:32.7
1800mm / 54mm = 1:33.3

Of course everyone is not 1800mm tall so for all the figures to be exactly the same size doesn't make sense either.

It's interesting that 54mm is often stated to be 1:32.
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Wow Frank!!!... You are definitely the greatest nitpicker!!!... I am proud to be a Canadian too!!!... They have another name to call your species... What is it??? I have a blank... They used to talk about counting some rivets... :D:D:D
 
Hi Frank,

Thanks for posting these measurements and conversions. I find them to be very interesting and thought provoking!

Warmest personal regards,

Pat :)
 
fmethorst said:
People come in all sizes so any one of these heights is possible. Some people are slight and some people are beefy so I can live with some variance there as well. Where it starts to get a tad strange is when the majority of figures are over 6'.
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Wise words, wish other people realised this. Then perhaps there wouldn't be as much moaning.
 
Upon further review, these sets are 54mm or 1-32, whatever you wish to call them. I just put them in their display mode so I really got the true picture.
I emailed my dealer several times to make sure I received these very limited sets. After receiving HB 24, the German set with the zehlebutns?, Which is my favorite HB set and is completely compatable with K&C & Figarti. As are all of HB,s previous releases, I am really disappointed with these relative to the size.
I don,t buy into that theory that humans are different sizes so should toy soldiers.
I stopped buying 54mm WW2 figures so I could concentrate on the 60mm lines that are out there.
Please Ana, keep the size back to where it was, or you have lost a loyal customer.
Sorry to be so negative, but for $250 I expect a uniform product.
Gary
 
gk5717 said:
Upon further review, these sets are 54mm or 1-32, whatever you wish to call them. I just put them in their display mode so I really got the true picture.
I emailed my dealer several times to make sure I received these very limited sets. After receiving HB 24, the German set with the zehlebutns?, Which is my favorite HB set and is completely compatable with K&C & Figarti. As are all of HB,s previous releases, I am really disappointed with these relative to the size.
I don,t buy into that theory that humans are different sizes so should toy soldiers.
I stopped buying 54mm WW2 figures so I could concentrate on the 60mm lines that are out there.
Please Ana, keep the size back to where it was, or you have lost a loyal customer.
Sorry to be so negative, but for $250 I expect a uniform product.
Gary
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Gary:

Don't mean to be disrespectful but you might also be disappointment in past KC's figures too since there sizes seem to fluctuate too. In fact sometimes they're less than 60mm and sometimes they're around 65MM. Scale is not an exact science in my experience. I won't even talk about CS which continues to improve relative to quality and size.

Who knows maybe those two sets may become collector's items due to there quality and limited nature. Anyway, see you in Chicago.

Carlos



Carlos
 
I own many HB figures and vehicles, and the new sets are not even close to being compatible with the earlier releases. I also don't agree with the argument that since people are different sizes so should toy soldiers. A slight height difference is one thing, but these just don't match anything HB has released in the past. Reminds me of Conte's SOS figures, which had the opposite problem. They were about 20mm larger than any of their other civil war figures. I also recall reading similar posts about them, trying to justify these dramatic size differences. I believe that the $250 bucks that I spend on these sets does give me the right to moan :) If I'm unhappy with them.
 
Carlos, first, always enjoy talking to you at OTSN, plus I wish my wife could get enthused about soldiers as yours does.
I have noticed the difference in size in K&C,s offerings, especially in the second release of their WW2 Marines.
Prior to posting my last, I checked the K&C Marines, and yes they were smaller, but not any where near the difference in HB,s figures.
My complaint is for $250 I would want to expect uniformity.
I get that with K&C. And now I,m reluctant to pre order any HB product.
Gary
 
Pierre said:
Wow Frank!!!... You are definitely the greatest nitpicker!!!... I am proud to be a Canadian too!!!... They have another name to call your species... What is it??? I have a blank... They used to talk about counting some rivets... :D:D:D
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:D:D
 
gk5717 said:
Upon further review, these sets are 54mm or 1-32, whatever you wish to call them. I just put them in their display mode so I really got the true picture.
I emailed my dealer several times to make sure I received these very limited sets. After receiving HB 24, the German set with the zehlebutns?, Which is my favorite HB set and is completely compatable with K&C & Figarti. As are all of HB,s previous releases, I am really disappointed with these relative to the size.
I don,t buy into that theory that humans are different sizes so should toy soldiers.
I stopped buying 54mm WW2 figures so I could concentrate on the 60mm lines that are out there.
Please Ana, keep the size back to where it was, or you have lost a loyal customer.
Sorry to be so negative, but for $250 I expect a uniform product.
Gary
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I understand your point on the Medic Team which I agree is on the smallish side but do you have a problem with the Radio Team too?
 
Not so much with the radio team, but only because it is on a stand.
Check it with the other HB sets and it is definately smaller.
Gary
 
i think the flame thrower set will be the main gauge, if it is on the smallish side, then this may appear to be the new doctrine of slimmer figures.

if this gets back to the chunkier older HB sizes, then it may follows the same erratic pattern K&C figures used to have.
 
All I can tell you guys is regardless of size I'm looking for the medic set. the announcement of the short run came when I was on vacation and i missed out on it. I'm converting an opel blitz to an early war med truck and I was counting on that set! If any of you are disatisfied or got an extra set please PM me I'd be happy to have one.
Thanks for your consideration,
Ray
 
I had a feeling that these new limited edition infantry sets from HB, were going to be expensive, but at $250.00, It is sticker shock for me. These new figures cost more than any tank in my inventory. I can however, understand the very limited production runs of these figures, as they can't expect to sell 100-200 units at that price. Sometimes, I look at my old K&C Panzer or M4A3 105 howitzer sherman, and say wow! I got all that for $89.00. Like everything else, our hobbies live or die with supply and demand, and whether the economy is doing well or not.
 
i think there's a price misquotation.

Per figure set is fixed at $125, for now at least.
 
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