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[Firebat]

Another

 

[CannonFodder1971]

Due to the advise of a man that I have extreme respect for, Chuck Harris. I will remain with the forum...dispense with all conflict, and encourage no future hostility. But I do not apologize for my opinions and my standards...its over. I don't know where I will go from here, so for now I will keep my mouth shut and listen. Shannon's kindness was also a part of my decision.

I tend to tilt at windmills. If Chuck and Shannon are happy then I am too. Apologies if my previous comments were offensive. The world of collectors is just too small for boycotts and factionalism: it should be a big enough tent for everyone and should bring people together.

 

[jazzeum]

I tend to tilt at windmills. If Chuck and Shannon are happy then I am too. Apologies if my previous comments were offensive. The world of collectors is just too small for boycotts and factionalism: it should be a big enough tent for everyone and should bring people together.

Group hug?

 

[Firebat]

I tend to tilt at windmills. If Chuck and Shannon are happy then I am too. Apologies if my previous comments were offensive. The world of collectors is just too small for boycotts and factionalism: it should be a big enough tent for everyone and should bring people together.

It don't mean nothin............Lets have fun, the world is too serious. A few last 1/6, then back to what we are here for. I have got to use my man's quote again. "I love ALL of this stuff".........Happy Alex

 

[Firebat]

One of a few I am afraid to open.........Thats it for the 1/6

 

[Combat]

Firebat-
Those are nice pics. The 1/6 looks like an entirely different game. For a long time I refused to collect anything bigger than 54mm. But now I will go 60mm or whatever scale we call the KC stuff because I like WWII. Anything bigger starts to look like a statue to me. BTW: did you purchase the KC King Tiger? If so, would be curious to hear your opinion as a newcomer.

 

[OzDigger]

Just be carefull handling those 88's as they can be as fragile as a kit! I know from experience. I have two - one for parts.

Imo the Minichamps 88mm is as robust as any finely detailed diecast model can be, no bits have fallen off mine.

 

[Firebat]

Firebat-
Those are nice pics. The 1/6 looks like an entirely different game. For a long time I refused to collect anything bigger than 54mm. But now I will go 60mm or whatever scale we call the KC stuff because I like WWII. Anything bigger starts to look like a statue to me. BTW: did you purchase the KC King Tiger? If so, would be curious to hear your opinion as a newcomer.

You know me and my accuracy. I want to buy the King Tiger, and being new I have a chance to put together a smart collection. I am extremely interested in the Bulge right now, and I can't confirm just yet if that paint job fits the time frame. The only K&C vehicles I have right now are jeeps and they are on the money. What material are the tanks made of? I plan on getting the DUKW and the Dodge truck with water tank in the next batch, I will buy the Tiger If it fits the Bulge time frame. That Winter Tiger has me real interested, but I can buy a lot of other stuff for the $250. Also it has been mentioned there will be more Bulge stuff coming, and this stuff looks like it is improving by the minuite.....Alex

 

[OzDigger]

In regards to telescopic rifle positioning on Andy's figure firing. The German sniper rifle I own from my uncle, the scope is in the position that Andy shows. My scope is ahead of the receiver. I will post a picture when I get time. The rifle was a good model made in Berlin 1942,my uncle fought in Italy and Germany. Leadmen

Hi Leadmen, the weapon on the King and Country figure pictured is most likely a Gewehr (Gew) 43 which was a ten shot semi-automatic rifle in 7.92mm x 57 calibre loaded via the magazine from underneath. I have never seen a photo of one with a telescopic sight in front of the receiver as you call it. If you or anyone else can produce a genuine photo of one with a forward mounted scope I will admit my ignorance

I suspect the German 'sniper' rifle you mention is in fact a bolt action repeating rifle with a magazine capacity of only 5 rounds and most likely a Gew 98/Kar 98, or a variation, of which there are many. It was the basic German infantry rifle and some early examples were fitted with a telescopic sight that could be mounted at the side of, or above the rear sight. This mounting method is inferior to rear mounted versions as it is less accurate. However it allowed the shooter to load the weapon from above with five round clips, providing a faster reload for this reliable repeating rifle.

 

[Toy Soldier Brigade]

Come On ! Open that James Gordon figure, Smell The Plastic

 

[jazzeum]

Oz is right. That is supposed to be a Gewehr 43.

 

[Firebat]

Come On ! Open that James Gordon figure, Smell The Plastic

I cant imagine how great it will look put together. I am thinking of a Pre D-Day Diorama with the 101 gearing up. I have about 5 figures with the full gear including the packed parachutes. Including a Blue Box special edition

 

[Toy Soldier Brigade]

I only have one Gordon left out of 120.

 

[Combat]

You know me and my accuracy. I want to buy the King Tiger, and being new I have a chance to put together a smart collection. I am extremely interested in the Bulge right now, and I can't confirm just yet if that paint job fits the time frame.....Alex

Let me know if you reach a conclusion. I am under the impression that the Germans had only generalized parameters for their paint schemes making variations common. Anyway, here you go:

On August 19th of 1944, OKH ordered that dark yellow (RAL 7028) was to be factory applied as the base colour with dark olive green (RAL 6003) and red brown (RAL 8017) for use in camouflage patterns. In addition, to those three main colours, small yellow, light grey or white spots were applied on green and brown areas, while small green spots were applied on dark yellow areas. This overall camouflage scheme was known as the "ambush" scheme so common on late war Panther and Tiger II tanks. As with any other scheme there were numerous variations depending on the unit, its location and supplies available. On October 31st of 1944, OKH ordered that dark yellow (RAL 7028) was to be replaced by primer red oxide (RAL 8012) as a base colour with dark yellow (RAL 7028) or field grey and red brown (RAL 8017). On November 31st of 1944, OKH ordered another new colour scheme to be introduced. Dark olive green (RAL 6003) was the base colour with dark yellow (RAL 7028) and red brown (also known as dark chocolate brown) (RAL 8017). Sometimes red brown (RAL 8017) was replaced with "brick" red brown (dark red) (RAL 8012) colour. Similar case was with dark green (RAL 6002) and dark olive green (RAL 6003). Also due to overall shortages, many vehicles were only painted in overall base dark yellow (RAL 7028). In early 1945, dark yellow (RAL 7028) was again to be used as the base colour with red brown (also known as dark chocolate brown) (RAL 8017) and dark olive green (RAL 6003). All schemes introduced from October 31st to the last days of war, were hard edged factory applied colour schemes with disruptive edges defined sometimes in white (RAL 9002). The use of washable white winter camouflage paint was widespread on the Eastern Front but rare on the Western Front. In the spring of 1945, new scheme was to be introduced with dark (panzer) grey (RAL 7021) as the base colour with red brown (also known as dark chocolate brown) (RAL 8017) and dark olive green (RAL 6003). It is unknown if it was ever implemented due to the overall state of the German Army. The colour schemes introduced in 1944 and early 1945, were applied in variety of patterns and often colours were not exactly the same as specified. Different colours were a result of use substitute paints and ex-Czechoslovakian army paints (e.g. dark green, cream and dark brown). The choice of colours and patterns depended on local and weather conditions as well low level unit orders that reflected where and when particular units operated. In addition, foliage and mud were often used for more convincing camouflage or to make up for paint shortages. It is also reported that late in the war interiors were painted dark yellow (RAL 7028) instead of light cream or ivory colour (RAL 1001) due to shortages and need for armoured vehicles.

 

[Firebat]

With all of the work you put into that I will have to buy it....Thanks...German paint and uniform variations are very complex for sure. I enjoy doing research, it adds an interesting aspect to the hobby. I know American stuff much better (Of course, it is a lot easier) than the German Stuff. I have a pretty decent research library, it would be nice if read them once and a while... Alex

 

[Firebat]

I only have one Gordon left out of 120.

One went for over $200 on Ebay a few weeks ago. I have been selling some of my 1/6 to pay for this stuff, but I already miss a few I sold. I'll just have to increase the hobby budget...Alex

 

[Leadmen]

You are right on the semi-auto rifle. I noticed that but thought they used same type as my Kar bolt rifle. The scope is not very good and wonder why they used one like that. Rubber eye piece is missing. Maybe one of these days I will try to fire it at range. Never saw a picture of their auto rifle with a scope. Leadmen

 

[OzDigger]

You are right on the semi-auto rifle. I noticed that but thought they used same type as my Kar bolt rifle. The scope is not very good and wonder why they used one like that. Rubber eye piece is missing. Maybe one of these days I will try to fire it at range. Never saw a picture of their auto rifle with a scope. Leadmen

Hi Leadman, could you post some pics or details of the gun and scope. The scope could be the one they used to fire rifle grenades which was clamped over the rear sight. You may be able to google the details to get some more info on the weapon. Whatever it is it, it's nice to have as a keepsake. I don't have much from my relatives military service. My grandfather tried to bring a Turkish sword back from Gallipoli but he had to hand it in, and no doubt some store clerk kept it. My father didn't bring back much either as he served in Bomber Command with the RAAF over Germany which meant they didn't get out much

 

[panda1gen]

Let me know if you reach a conclusion. I am under the impression that the Germans had only generalized parameters for their paint schemes making variations common. Anyway, here you go:

On August 19th of 1944, OKH ordered that dark yellow (RAL 7028) was to be factory applied as the base colour with dark olive green (RAL 6003) and red brown (RAL 8017) for use in camouflage patterns. In addition, to those three main colours, small yellow, light grey or white spots were applied on green and brown areas, while small green spots were applied on dark yellow areas. This overall camouflage scheme was known as the "ambush" scheme so common on late war Panther and Tiger II tanks. As with any other scheme there were numerous variations depending on the unit, its location and supplies available. On October 31st of 1944, OKH ordered that dark yellow (RAL 7028) was to be replaced by primer red oxide (RAL 8012) as a base colour with dark yellow (RAL 7028) or field grey and red brown (RAL 8017). On November 31st of 1944, OKH ordered another new colour scheme to be introduced. Dark olive green (RAL 6003) was the base colour with dark yellow (RAL 7028) and red brown (also known as dark chocolate brown) (RAL 8017). Sometimes red brown (RAL 8017) was replaced with "brick" red brown (dark red) (RAL 8012) colour. Similar case was with dark green (RAL 6002) and dark olive green (RAL 6003). Also due to overall shortages, many vehicles were only painted in overall base dark yellow (RAL 7028). In early 1945, dark yellow (RAL 7028) was again to be used as the base colour with red brown (also known as dark chocolate brown) (RAL 8017) and dark olive green (RAL 6003). All schemes introduced from October 31st to the last days of war, were hard edged factory applied colour schemes with disruptive edges defined sometimes in white (RAL 9002). The use of washable white winter camouflage paint was widespread on the Eastern Front but rare on the Western Front. In the spring of 1945, new scheme was to be introduced with dark (panzer) grey (RAL 7021) as the base colour with red brown (also known as dark chocolate brown) (RAL 8017) and dark olive green (RAL 6003). It is unknown if it was ever implemented due to the overall state of the German Army. The colour schemes introduced in 1944 and early 1945, were applied in variety of patterns and often colours were not exactly the same as specified. Different colours were a result of use substitute paints and ex-Czechoslovakian army paints (e.g. dark green, cream and dark brown). The choice of colours and patterns depended on local and weather conditions as well low level unit orders that reflected where and when particular units operated. In addition, foliage and mud were often used for more convincing camouflage or to make up for paint shortages. It is also reported that late in the war interiors were painted dark yellow (RAL 7028) instead of light cream or ivory colour (RAL 1001) due to shortages and need for armoured vehicles.

I agree with this. If you read books such as 'panzers in normandy' by eric leveve, he comments that the reports from the tankers included having 2kg or 20kg tins of paste paint. The idea was that you let it down with petrol but this was scarce and so the paint itself was often produced with old diesel, engine oil used, water and goodness knows what. Hence any modeller could be excused any variation on the basic three colour scheme late war.

As for the east, in the early days they just covered the grey with whitewash which is why I deliberately painted my sdzfz 250s - see pics in the photo album - in such a patchy manner. Late war they did have paint as described above.

I have commented before on the accuracy of some of Andy's products e.g. the puma not being the 50mm 60cal turreted version of the sdkfz234, and the length of the t34 85 gun barrel but - who cares they are brilliant

Kevin

 

[King & Country]

Hi Guys,

Re the “Flag Issue” on the 101st Airborne. I too had read about some but definitely not all 101 troopers wearing the flag on their shoulder during the Normandy operation.

I made the “call” on that one because I love that big old “stars ‘n’ stripes” on the para shoulders and meant it as a tribute to all U.S. airborne units. So, apologies if its inclusion offended some purists.

Many years ago the great American movie director John Ford was being criticized for the accuracy of his U.S. Cavalry uniforms in his western movies – “Fort Apache” … “She Wore a Yellow Ribbon” etc.

“But Mr. Ford”, his critic insisted, “The U.S. Cavalry never looked like the way you portray them in your movies …”

Ford thought about that and then replied, “I know they didn’t … but that’s the way they should have looked!”

Anyway, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

Best wishes and…happy collecting!

Andy C.