I need help with ideas for the Teutoburger Wald! (1 Viewer)

Uthred

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Gentlemen,

I have a project to make a Teutoburger Wald Battle diorama. I need some help from you, much experienced diorama builders. I have three questions, and if you can provide me some answers, I'll be very grateful:

#1) What are the best Oak Trees for a 54mm scale diorama?

#2) Is there a ready diorama terrain with a slight slope?

#3) Where do I find a backdrop of a primeval oak tree forest?

Thank you all!

Cheers...

Uthred
 
I agree, as a matter of fact I just went through JG's entire selection on

Treefrog! I was ready to hit the complete order button when the wife

appeared.............:eek::eek:

Now I have to go cut the grass before she tells me where she hid my

wallet:p

If I was going to build another display I would certainly have a look at JG's

available products.
 
Uthred

JG Miniatures have some very nice stuff....a little pricey, but nice.

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=204



You can also try here (this do it yourself though)

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=1524

Thanks, britfarmer!

JG really makes some beautiful oak trees, but at $151.00 each, I guess they are way over my budget!
:D:D

I guess the other range is an alternative, those ready made trees aren't as nice, but sell at 18.99 each!
;)

Cheers...

Uthred
 
Hi there!
For what it is worth, remember that a virgin stand of trees will tower over your figures and that the canopy above will minimize the growth that we are accustomed to in second and third growth stands.

If you are using a shelf that gives about 11 to 12" in height then find a decent backdrop for the rear and ends first.
You should be able to find something out there and consider looking at inexpensive posters at 'big box' stores.
Remember that you will only use the height of your shelf so this might only be the middle ground of an image on a poster, and you might have to buy more than one.

Once you have that accomplished then create the lower trunks of the foreground trees with only the top 1/4 to 1/3 having the diverging branches with some scant foliage creating the impression of a canopy.
It is important to establish your backdrop first so you can match colors to the image to create the illusion.
There are a number of good products available to create the forest floor. (including H&A products sold by the fine folks that host this forum!)

I find that a simple valence attached to the upper shelf, or even a simple matt cut to frame the entire shelf can really frame the scene drawing the viewer to what you want them to see. This will eliminate the tedious construction of the branches, and be more convincing for the forest environment you are trying to create.

Just a few ramblings... Good Luck!
Ken
 
Gentlemen,

I have a project to make a Teutoburger Wald Battle diorama. I need some help from you, much experienced diorama builders. I have three questions, and if you can provide me some answers, I'll be very grateful:

#1) What are the best Oak Trees for a 54mm scale diorama?

#2) Is there a ready diorama terrain with a slight slope?

#3) Where do I find a backdrop of a primeval oak tree forest?

Thank you all!

Cheers...

Uthred

For ideas I suggest you check out the terrific forest diorama scenes posted by UKReb.
 
Hi there!
For what it is worth, remember that a virgin stand of trees will tower over your figures and that the canopy above will minimize the growth that we are accustomed to in second and third growth stands.

If you are using a shelf that gives about 11 to 12" in height then find a decent backdrop for the rear and ends first.
You should be able to find something out there and consider looking at inexpensive posters at 'big box' stores.
Remember that you will only use the height of your shelf so this might only be the middle ground of an image on a poster, and you might have to buy more than one.

Once you have that accomplished then create the lower trunks of the foreground trees with only the top 1/4 to 1/3 having the diverging branches with some scant foliage creating the impression of a canopy.
It is important to establish your backdrop first so you can match colors to the image to create the illusion.
There are a number of good products available to create the forest floor. (including H&A products sold by the fine folks that host this forum!)

I find that a simple valence attached to the upper shelf, or even a simple matt cut to frame the entire shelf can really frame the scene drawing the viewer to what you want them to see. This will eliminate the tedious construction of the branches, and be more convincing for the forest environment you are trying to create.

Just a few ramblings... Good Luck!
Ken

Thank you for your answer, Ken! Following your advice I got my backdrop. It's this actual picture of the forest today:

teutoberg_forest_trees_1200x.jpg


Now, I think I can find a place to print it in semi-glossy paper in an apropriate size. The real problem is that I'm not sure how to replicate that at the pícture in the front!
:D

Cheers, Uthred
 
Suggest you consult "Terrain Modelling" and "Advanced Terrain Modelling" both by Windrow and published by Osprey. Some of the forest scenes created there are hard to tell from the photographs of the real thing. Both are indispensible for the dedicated modeller.
 
Suggest you consult "Terrain Modelling" and "Advanced Terrain Modelling" both by Windrow and published by Osprey. Some of the forest scenes created there are hard to tell from the photographs of the real thing. Both are indispensible for the dedicated modeller.

Thank you, trooper.

I will get Terrain Modelling from Osprey, I have some 80 Ospreys around, but none about modelling.
:D

Cheers...

Uthred
 
Please keep in mind that the battle was not in the Teutoburger Forest, but rather in Kalkriese. As I was born in this area and will be visiting my parents in June, I hope to learn some more. These folks are just celebrating the 2000th anniversary and I am very much looking forward to it.

http://www.kalkriese-varusschlacht.de/index/getlang/en

It should not impact the forest as such and Ken's advise is dead-on, but if you read the preparations of the battlefield done in advance by Arminius, you might get some additional ideas. It was certainly more than a couple of Cherusker ambushing several legions.

By-the-way: I gave up the idea of doing the Varus Battle as I could not identify figures I likes to go with it. The only ones I found were by Time Machine and Aeroart:

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11730&highlight=teutoburger

What will you be using? Please keep in mind that the Cherusker did not wear shirts - it rains too much and they feel restricted by the wet cloth on their body! :eek:
 
Please keep in mind that the battle was not in the Teutoburger Forest, but rather in Kalkriese. As I was born in this area and will be visiting my parents in June, I hope to learn some more. These folks are just celebrating the 2000th anniversary and I am very much looking forward to it.

http://www.kalkriese-varusschlacht.de/index/getlang/en

It should not impact the forest as such and Ken's advise is dead-on, but if you read the preparations of the battlefield done in advance by Arminius, you might get some additional ideas. It was certainly more than a couple of Cherusker ambushing several legions.

By-the-way: I gave up the idea of doing the Varus Battle as I could not identify figures I likes to go with it. The only ones I found were by Time Machine and Aeroart:

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11730&highlight=teutoburger

What will you be using? Please keep in mind that the Cherusker did not wear shirts - it rains too much and they feel restricted by the wet cloth on their body! :eek:

Well, Andana, I had this idea of celebrating the 2000th anniversary of the greatest barbarian success ever, and of course I wanted a diorama. It's a difficult task, believe me. First there's the problem with what toy soldiers to place on my diorama. To the best of my knowledge there's only one company that made a handful of Cherusci: Time Machine Miniatures.
DS-TW6BoxArtrevised-large.jpg


Now, these are great, but they are really only a vignette, and I wanted at least a dozen Barbarians and 4 or 5 romans, a couple of trees, etc. It looks like I will have to compromise somewhere along the way.
:confused:

You mentioned Aeroart as well, and I think you are referring to this Arminius here:
SPC-3790ArminiusKingoftheCherusci.jpg


I have to admit it is a very beautiful toy soldier, but I wonder if he looks accurate. Arminius (Hermann) had been fighting along the Romans for years before the battle, so he and his veterans would look more like Romans than with the rest of the Cherusci, right? Campaigning they acquired not only the taste for looting, but clothing, weapons and armor they could not have back in 'Germania'. I may be wrong, but I believe Arminius would dress much like a Roman General, except for his long hair and beard, and maybe a woolen cape or fur over his shoulder. After all Arminius had become a Roman citizen (every Barbarian's ultimate dream), and must have been heavily influenced by Roman military fashion. This Aero Art toy soldier looks like a Celtic Chieftain, so I'm not sure if he isn't just a fanciful recriation, not an accurate one. I'll have to compromise here as well, for the Cherusci I will mix some Conte and K&C Barbarians that look like they have acquired a large amount of Roman military surplus weapons and armor, as one would expect from Arminius' Cheruscan warriors.

Choosing the Romans was easier, I'll pick up a few of EOI Romans (I realise they are late republican, not early emperial, but they will work). They have the clear advantage of being shorter than Conte's or K&C's Romans, and that will reflect real life height differences between the Germanic warriors and the Romans.

I wish some company would release some real Cherusci! It seems Conte may do that sometime in the future. Time will tell.
:D

Cheers...

Uthred
 
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Thank you, OzDigger!

These pictures are amazing! My diorama will not look like that, I have no doubt about it... I don't have all his talent!
:D:D

Cheers...

Uthred

I only have a few old Britains (plastic) trees so I have a longggg way to go as far as forests are concerned :)

Btw, I know little about the Teutoburger Wald battle(s) but I recall a few forest battle scenes in the "Gladiator" movie - is that in a similar area and or time period to the scene you are planning :confused:
 
I only have a few old Britains (plastic) trees so I have a longggg way to go as far as forests are concerned :)

Btw, I know little about the Teutoburger Wald battle(s) but I recall a few forest battle scenes in the "Gladiator" movie - is that in a similar area and or time period to the scene you are planning :confused:

OzDigger,

The Britains oak tree was a very beautiful toy tree, my friend! Maybe you just gave me an idea...
:cool:

Well, in Gladiator the Romans destroy the Barbarians. In real life it was just the opposite! If only you keep in mind the Barbarians won the battle (it was really a 4 day long series of skirmishes with the Romans losing 3 legions at the end, not one continuous battle), the Barbarians and the Romans should look something like those at the movie, yes.

Unfortunately the only Barbarian that looks like the ones at the movie is this one, we recently found at Conte's webpage:

barspear2sep.jpg


This fellow made me wonder if Conte is going to release a Gladiator series, you know? In case he does, I'll have to redesign my diorama, but does it looks like I care?
;):D

Cheers...

Uthred
 
Yes, the Britains Oak Tree is ideal for dios and my example is presently providing shade to several of my German Officers.
 
Yes, the Britains Oak Tree is ideal for dios and my example is presently providing shade to several of my German Officers.

Thank you for your idea, OzDigger!

I don't have a Britains oak tree anymore, I had one when I was a boy and it provided cover to my Britains Deetails, my Timpo Swoppets and my Airfix toy soldiers on many bedroom floor battles!
:):)

This is what I have now:

Outros2.jpg


This is a Schleich large oak tree (I believe there's a smaller version as well). It is tall, imposing and is the perfect hiding place for those pesky Barbarians who are about to charge the poor Roman legions!
:D

The Valkyries in front of it are 60mm and 70mm tall. That will give you an idea of how tall this oak tree really is (about 1 foot tall)!

Cheers...

Uthred
 
I'd look among model railroad supplies, too. You might find something you could use there.
 
I'd look among model railroad supplies, too. You might find something you could use there.

Thanks, Brad.

I considered that for a while but gave it up. The problem with railroad models is the scale. The ho oak trees will look small when close to 1/30 scale Barbarians.

The good thing about Schleich is that it's scaled for 90mm scale (1/20), so the oak trees will look like full grown trees, not saplings.

Cheers...

Uthred
 

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