I see a T-34 on the workbench!!!!! (2 Viewers)

[Gebhard]

Geb...

Without detracting from the original thread about the T-34 I will make it short. I did read and understand what you said just cannot agree historically with you about the points you put. I must say you are wrong that the US was a cert to join in with troops on the ground in WWII in Europe. I have read much about the discontent throughout the US about going into the european war and, even more so after the attack by the japanese. I really do think you should address your own country's opinion polls and work on this fact before saying I misunderstood you.

This under resourced country did remarkably well against the US USSR and, commonwealth for a very long time. I used some examples of the generals etc and what would inevitably happened on the russian battlefields had, the german high command got their operational way. Without the russians still in the war the pressure from the public in the US and, an asian theatre to address I do not believe it was a forgone conclusion that your president could have sold it to the US people to enter a land campaign on two fronts. What made it easier for the allies was Hitler's total misunderstanding of the politic in the US. His foolish declaration of war against the US was another in a string of political and military decisions which, were devastating for germany.

It was far from anything like a forgone conclusion that germany would lose even with these powers thrust against them thats why so much material had to be sent to the russians from the west via the artic convoys and, why many attacks the allies did were to show the russians that the west was doing something to take some of the pressure of the russians and ease their terrible losses in material and manpower

Rob/Frank...

Have to fully agree about the T-34 I have a fair few pics of some where you wonderif someone had made it with their eyes closed. As I said it was a shock to the germans initially but, I would rather have been in a panzer IV than a T-34.

I would think not only the Panther was vulnerable at the sides almost any tank in WWII was vulnerable to fire from side shots even low velocity allied guns
Mitch

Mitch ,
I think we will just have to disagree on this one , I'm of the opinion that Germany has never had the manpower or materials to fight the resources of the World either time in a sustained War period . I also think that the USA was in no way gonna let Hitler remain in Power , public opinion be dammed Goverments have a way of swaying that . Do you think public opinion polls Govern ??? . I know I don't i see it every day .
I think Hitler had enough foresight to see this just as he new Uncle Joe was coming for him way before they met in the middle of Poland and his War declaration on the US was a hollow act . The USA has never suffered Tyrants since its Birth and IMO never will {bravo}}. I believe Germany was doomed the day Hiter gained power It was just a matter of time . These are my opinions and you have yours .

And to keep with the topic the First Legion T34 looks Great IMO it is on my list as are some of the german heavies when they get around to em ..Regards Gebhard

 

[fmethorst]

Can I ask your opinion on another matter? Is it not true that the Panther was in fact vulnerable to fire to its sides, even from the Sherman at close range, and was this made worse by the fact its ammo racks were close to this vulnerable spot?.

Thanks again Frank

Rob

They most definitely were vulnerable from the sides, as were most tanks. The original purpose of Schürzen was to defend against Soviet 14.5mm AT rifles. This deficiency already became apparent during the initial deployment at Kursk. Several Panthers were total losses after side penetrations caused ammunition and/or fuel fires.

 

[Mitch]

Gebhard..

Fair point. I do agree and new documents have shown that USSR was actually going to invade at some point to stop Hitler before he could do what he did. It was a close ran thing though WWII
Mitch

Mitch ,
I think we will just have to disagree on this one , I'm of the opinion that Germany has never had the manpower or materials to fight the resources of the World either time in a sustained War period . I also think that the USA was in no way gonna let Hitler remain in Power , public opinion be dammed Goverments have a way of swaying that . Do you think public opinion polls Govern ??? . I know I don't i see it every day .
I think Hitler had enough foresight to see this just as he new Uncle Joe was coming for him way before they met in the middle of Poland and his War declaration on the US was a hollow act . The USA has never suffered Tyrants since its Birth and IMO never will {bravo}}. I believe Germany was doomed the day Hiter gained power It was just a matter of time . These are my opinions and you have yours .

And to keep with the topic the First Legion T34 looks Great IMO it is on my list as are some of the german heavies when they get around to em ..Regards Gebhard

 

[Andanna]

Not being an expert on tank design, what history does the tank have we are looking at? Is this one of the T34's manufactured in Stalingrad at the tractor factory?

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Not being an expert on tank design, what history does the tank have we are looking at? Is this one of the T34's manufactured in Stalingrad at the tractor factory?

Yes. It looks like the 1942 model (high gun mantlet, large hatch over driver's compartment and single large hatch on turret). FL even calls it an STZ for Stalingrad Tank Factory.

Terry

 

[fmethorst]

Summer 1942 to be specific. That is when STZ transitioned to the modified drivers hatch. The easiest way to identify this model as being from STZ is the chizel shaped Barrikady style recuperator sleeve beneath the barrel. Note the all steel road wheels as well. This was due to an acute rubber shortage during that period.

 

[Mitch]

Interesting info being submitted here. Not a big reader on russian armour and where they were manufactured so, this has been very interesting and informative
Mitch

 

[Vezzolf]

Yes.....Great Thread Guys....All very good points... interesting and informative reading.....looking forward to the release of FL's T-34.....Hopefully it will also be released in a winter version.

 

[Blowtorch]

To supplement what's been mentioned, here's a summary I did a few months ago

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/fo...untry-Russian-Tank-Choice&p=407995#post407995

see mssg 31