Impressive New Jagdpanther (6 Viewers)

[Phantom Warrior]

I have to say I'm impressed by the new early version Jagdpanther. It is a good looking model and has the correct design elements of an early version Jagdpanther. And while many of the 400+ Jagdpanthers built went to the East, there were plenty fighting at a few of the best known battles on the Western Front.

The first units to get the Jagdpanthers in the west were the s.Panzerjaeger.Abt. 654 with a full complement of 42, and the s.PanzerJaeger.Abt. 559 with 14 Jagdpanthers. The 654 fought vs the British and one noted fight wasnear Les Loges in Normandy against the Churchills of the 6th Guards Tank Brigade. The 559th was in Belgium and eventually had some Jagdpanthers in the Arnhem battle. And against the US, more than 50 Jagdpanthers were spread among several s.PanzerJaeger.Abt. at the Battle of the Bulge.

Here is a real photo of a Jagdpanther of the 654th in Normandy.

The K&C model has the correct "small block"pattern of zimmerit, chipped zimmerit with red undercoat, three colour camo, single drivers vision port, correct slope on the gun compartment roof and single piece 88.

I am very tempted but wonder if I should wait for Andy to do an AK version for John Gambale

Terry

 

[uksubs]

I have to say I'm impressed by the new early version Jagdpanther. It is a good looking model and has the correct design elements of an early version Jagdpanther. And while many of the 400+ Jagdpanthers built went to the East, there were plenty fighting at a few of the best known battles on the Western Front.

The first units to get the Jagdpanthers in the west were the s.Panzerjaeger.Abt. 654 with a full complement of 42, and the s.PanzerJaeger.Abt. 559 with 14 Jagdpanthers. The 654 fought vs the British and one noted fight wasnear Les Loges in Normandy against the Churchills of the 6th Guards Tank Brigade. The 559th was in Belgium and eventually had some Jagdpanthers in the Arnhem battle. And against the US, more than 50 Jagdpanthers were spread among several s.PanzerJaeger.Abt. at the Battle of the Bulge.

Here is a real photo of a Jagdpanther of the 654th in Normandy.

The K&C model has the correct "small block"pattern of zimmerit, chipped zimmerit with red undercoat, three colour camo, single drivers vision port, correct slope on the gun compartment roof and single piece 88.

I am very tempted but wonder if I should wait for Andy to do an AK version for John Gambale

Terry

Have to agree Terry it a lovely tank destroyer and mine already on order ^&grin

 

[DM101]

Have to agree Terry it a lovely tank destroyer and mine already on order ^&grin

And to top it all up - BOTH HATCHES open and come with TWO figures :salute::

As I have WINTER tank riders only - I may go for the WINTER version only

 

[Guy]

And to top it all up - BOTH HATCHES open and come with TWO figures :salute::

As I have WINTER tank riders only - I may go for the WINTER version only

The winter version you can use in the BoB; the units 559 attached to Panzer Lehr and 560 attached to 12th SS P.Div were equipped with Jagdpanthers.ONLY THE EARLY VERSIONS GOT ZIMMERIT. Zimmerit applied only until sept 1944. Probably non of the BoB had Zimmerit. (Will dig deeper to find out more)
guy

 

[uksubs]

Terry going to us main in my Arnhem battle scene , love the darker colours KC are using and show Andy does take things on board

 

[Phantom Warrior]

The winter version you can use in the BoB; the units 559 attached to Panzer Lehr and 560 attached to 12th SS P.Div were equipped with Jagdpanthers.ONLY THE EARLY VERSIONS GOT ZIMMERIT. Zimmerit applied only until sept 1944. Probably non of the BoB had Zimmerit. (Will dig deeper to find out more)
guy

There is quite some variation in the early vs mid vs late production Jagdpanthers. The small block pattern zimmerit was used up to September 1944 then ones built after had no zimmerit. The driver had 2 vision ports on the early production version but this was changed very early on in Feb 1944 just after production started to a single vision port. In the photo of the 654th Jagdpanther, it looks like it originally had two vision ports with one covered over and welded shut. The 88 on the 654th photo is a later 2 piece barrel which would have replaced the single piece barrel as on the model.

I don't know if any of the 50+ Jagdpanthers at B0B had zimmerit, but I think some would have. Some of the Jagdpanthers at BoB were transferred from Eastern Front units and were likely built before September. The JPs at BoB were scattered among 6 or 7 Panzerjaeger units, so good luck tracing them - I'm not going to even try - I'm not a rivet counter. :smile2:

As for whitewash - very few AFVs (hardly any) had whitewash at BoB.The JPs went through only a single winter 1944-1945.

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

And to top it all up - BOTH HATCHES open and come with TWO figures :salute::

As I have WINTER tank riders only - I may go for the WINTER version only

Does it say anywhere that both hatches open (and close) or are they fixed open?

And what is the tank commander doing waving around a Luger when the JP has an 88mm canon and an MG34?{sm3}{sm4}

Terry

 

[DM101]

My research shows this from another manufacturer. But it is not winterised



http://www.dragon-models.com/d-m-item.asp?pid=DRR60038

Jagdpanther Early Production w/Zimmerit, 3/sPzJgAbt.654, France 1944

"This superlative model represents an early production version from 3/sPzJgAbt 654 in France in 1944, and features a three-tone camouflage pattern. Another highlight is the zimmerit coating with its distinctive waffle pattern, ..."

KnC version Turret number is "413" - so does this tank reaslly exists or just a number that is made up ? ^&grin (Cannot find any old pictures of "413" so far)

 

[Phantom Warrior]

My research shows this from another manufacturer. But it is not winterised

View attachment 130954

http://www.dragon-models.com/d-m-item.asp?pid=DRR60038

Jagdpanther Early Production w/Zimmerit, 3/sPzJgAbt.654, France 1944

"This superlative model represents an early production version from 3/sPzJgAbt 654 in France in 1944, and features a three-tone camouflage pattern. Another highlight is the zimmerit coating with its distinctive waffle pattern, ..."

KnC version Turret number is "413" - so does this tank reaslly exists or just a number that is made up ? ^&grin (Cannot find any old pictures of "413" so far)

As far as I know, the only pattern of zimmerit commonly used on Jagdpanthers was the small square pattern called checkerboard.

The waffle pattern is similar but was not used on Jagdpanthers

Terry

 

[HAWKEYE]

Great looking vehicle, i am going to have to get of my arse and purchase this one. Its been a while since i have bought an armoured vehicle

 

[Phantom Warrior]

My research shows this from another manufacturer. But it is not winterised

View attachment 130954

http://www.dragon-models.com/d-m-item.asp?pid=DRR60038

Jagdpanther Early Production w/Zimmerit, 3/sPzJgAbt.654, France 1944

"This superlative model represents an early production version from 3/sPzJgAbt 654 in France in 1944, and features a three-tone camouflage pattern. Another highlight is the zimmerit coating with its distinctive waffle pattern, ..."

KnC version Turret number is "413" - so does this tank reaslly exists or just a number that is made up ? ^&grin (Cannot find any old pictures of "413" so far)

K&C never indicated the JP was from s.PzJg.abt 654 and as far as I know 654 in Normandy had 3 companies of JP with only the 2nd & 3rd companies with painted on red and white numbers. There was also a HQ company. So I doubt there was a #423 in 654. Many of the heavy anti-tank battalions started out with Elefants and likely had 3 companies of them. If they added partial complements of JPs, it could easily have numbered them as a 4th company.

Terry

 

[PanzerAce1944]

From most accounts the new Jadgpanther is correctly done in all aspects, giving it that much more appeal. I "Like It" {bravo}}

 

[Poppo]

From most accounts the new Jadgpanther is correctly done in all aspects, giving it that much more appeal. I "Like It" {bravo}}

Nice to see the 2 open traps and 2 men...

 

[lancer]

Does it say anywhere that both hatches open (and close) or are they fixed open?

And what is the tank commander doing waving around a Luger when the JP has an 88mm canon and an MG34?{sm3}{sm4}

Terry

The JP commander must be an old school Rittmeister. He must like to lead attacks in the old school style, but obviously he has decided to wave a pistol instead of a saber. JMO.:wink2:^&grin -- Al

 

[graycap]

The 654th only had about 14 Jagdpanthers on its strength in Normandy. Two were found abandoned after the action with the 6th Guards Tank Brigade. The new K & C model looks great and is a real improvement over its predecessor.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

The 654th only had about 14 Jagdpanthers on its strength in Normandy. Two were found abandoned after the action with the 6th Guards Tank Brigade. The new K & C model looks great and is a real improvement over its predecessor.

That's true. Even though the 654th was fully equipped with 42 Jagdpanthers in 3 companies, only the 14 JPs of the 2nd company were in the immediate vicinity to oppose the Normandy landings and against Churchill tanks of the Coldstream Guards of the 6th Guard Armored Brigade, destroying 14 for the loss of 2 Jagdpanther. Those two Jagdpanthers were hit in the tracks, immobilized and were abandoned. On 07/28/44 the 654th still had 21 operational Jagdpanthers

Terry

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Some prior mention of the figure holding the pistol in hand while the vehicle is armed with an 88MM and machine gun. I like the idea of this figure, thinking again out of the box as many an armored vehicle commander had to
deal with enemy combatants at close quarters approaching the vehicle from the rear or sides.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Some prior mention of the figure holding the pistol in hand while the vehicle is armed with an 88MM and machine gun. I like the idea of this figure, thinking again out of the box as many an armored vehicle commander had to
deal with enemy combatants at close quarters approaching the vehicle from the rear or sides.

That's what the MG, gunports, granade launchers, infantry support and support from other AFVs in the platoon was for. I doubt many tank commanders opened the hatch to take on enemy infantry with a luger.

Terry

 

[PanzerAce1944]

That's what the MG, gunports, granade launchers, infantry support and support from other AFVs in the platoon was for. I doubt many tank commanders opened the hatch to take on enemy infantry with a luger.

Terry

Being in actual combat myself on an armored vehicle in the gulf war, crews in the turret often had small arms at the ready to cover the "dead Space" that everything else didn't. If it happened in 1991 I am quite sure it occurred in 1944.
Each situation is different but to suggest that tank crews would not engage an enemy with their own personal small arms doesn't hold water. If someone climbs on the back of your tanks forward mounted weapons, ports, etc doesn't cut it in a split
second moments notice. Yes "I am" speaking from personal experience :salute::

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Being in actual combat myself on an armored vehicle in the gulf war, crews in the turret often had small arms at the ready to cover the "dead Space" that everything else didn't. If it happened in 1991 I am quite sure it occurred in 1944.
Each situation is different but to suggest that tank crews would not engage an enemy with their own personal small arms doesn't hold water. If someone climbs on the back of your tanks forward mounted weapons, ports, etc doesn't cut it in a split
second moments notice. Yes "I am" speaking from personal experience :salute::

If we were in a tank and you went to open the hatch to engage with a pistol, I would have shot you myself. If someone was on the tank, you would not have gotten a Sherman hatch open fast enough to engage. If someone was near the tank, it would be too far for a pistol and they enemy would almost certainly have a weapon better than a pistol. A Luger is OK for threatening unarmed civilians but not much more.

Terry