Just saw lots of K&C selling cheap on eBay... (3 Viewers)

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... could be someone liquidating a collection. Good time to pick-up some pieces if you are in the market.
 
It's a buyer market now. The good old time of making some profit on secondary market for K&C retired items is now over...
 
It will be interesting to see what the final bids are. This would give somewhat of an indication of where prices are headed in the hobby.

Good for those wanting to enter this hobby but were priced out for the last several years but don't count on rising prices if that is what you are in it for...!!!

Speculators beware!!!
 
I dunno, I just sold a Winter tiger for $550 as well as several old LAH pieces. I think certain older stuff will always sell with patience.

TD
 
It's certainly not the NA39 etc Dragoons. Someone wants $250 a piece for those, though they don't seem to be selling.
 
I never understand the connection between prices for new releases and prices for older releases. I can understand both being high. I can understand both being low. I cannot understand why one is high and the other low.
 
"I cannot understand why one is high and the other low."

I don't think it's universally so. It depends on the range I would think. I imagine there's plenty of older pieces that have gained little or no value. Some, that were particularly good or from a theatre that has a heap of interest in it, are sought after and sellers make the most of it.

I don't expect any of my pieces to really go up in value but it's a comforting thought that they may do.
 
In regards to older K&C, and I mean older, the WS05,s, DD10,s of the world. I think only completeist really want those pieces and I think most of those, completeist, now have them.
For new collectors so to speak the quality on the early sets was really pretty bad, and in some cases, just awefull. Now, like most of us, if I,m on a budget I,ll spend my money on newer pieces and take quality over history.
Those big money days I believe are over.
I think with K&C, no matter what line, you can count on getting at least 80% of origional cost back, but for everyone else, 50% would be a lot.
Gary
 
FL retired items hold their value and more very well since they're not flooding the market (yet) with many pieces.
 
A few key points to keep in mind regarding the amount of K&C being sold online. The company has been producing since 1984. The company also puts out a vast amount of new releases every month.........month in and month out. It would be quite safe to say also that the brand is Very popular amongst the Toy Soldier Collecting community.
More product made, more collectors buying and selling, etc ....... It is kind of like comparing how many Chevy Camaro's are up for sale versus how many Kia Rio's are
up for sale. As far as cheap......... I wish I had the luck of buying an older retired piece cheap. 9 times out of 10 I get shot down by someone willing to pay a higher price
for the same item. Wish I had "your" Luck !
 
I think it is not just who makes more but also where the glut is. For example, the retired figures in the very popular K&C Crusader line are under pressure as there is a lot of collections up for sale via ebay and consignment right now. Who knows I might finally see a collector club crusader crossbowman come up for sale.....
 
Yes, it’s a “Buyer’s Market” Secondary Market and should be for the foreseeable future

IMO, its simple math:

First a caveat:

There will always be exception (e.g. some limited editions with limited runs) and the very old stuff


Now the simple math:


• Many older collectors are getting out of the hobby selling because of a variety reasons (higher prices on new stuff, storage capacity, loss of interest, etc.), and

• Not enough new collectors coming into hobby because prices are too high, economy or they just like video games and other electronic distractions more.

• Manufactures increased prices for a variety reasons (e.g. costs). In short, higher quality and smaller production runs creates scarcity that matches the existing current market demand. Well, I hope anyway.

• That’s right, outside forces bigger than any toy soldier company has “right-sized” the market.


IMHO,

Carlos
 
desk11desk12 said:
Yes, it’s a “Buyer’s Market” Secondary Market and should be for the foreseeable future

IMO, its simple math:

First a caveat:

There will always be exception (e.g. some limited editions with limited runs) and the very old stuff


Now the simple math:


• Many older collectors are getting out of the hobby selling because of a variety reasons (higher prices on new stuff, storage capacity, loss of interest, etc.), and

• Not enough new collectors coming into hobby because prices are too high, economy or they just like video games and other electronic distractions more.

• Manufactures increased prices for a variety reasons (e.g. costs). In short, higher quality and smaller production runs creates scarcity that matches the existing current market demand. Well, I hope anyway.

• That’s right, outside forces bigger than any toy soldier company has “right-sized” the market.


IMHO,

Carlos
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Carlos...it's like you just finished a night class on Economics 101...^&grin
 
Even with the older K & C, it ain't what it used to be. I recently purchased a K & C Glossy Napoleonic at a price about a third cheaper than they were a couple of years ago. Not complaining, however.

On the sell side, on some of the real older stuff, as I downsize in certain areas (such as WW II), the return is just ok; not losing money but not making a heck of a lot either. On certain other lines such as Crimea, that is a dog, and a dog with fleas, at that {eek3}

However, there used to be an electronics retailer in NY back in the 80s (now out of business) who used to say (probably copied it) "fast nickels are better than slow dimes" and that is my motto. Better to move the merchandise than just let it sit.
 
From my personal experience the secondary market for K&C is holding firm. Dealers that want too high of prices turn down my reasonable offers like I was disturbing them. I just won't pay $75. to $100. per foot figure for retired AWI Hessians. Somebody must be buying them. I guess they are looking for those "slow dimes"

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