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[ecuriel]

Fortunately or unfortunately, labels are going to be part of any endeavor involving buying and selling. Working on Wall Street we had hundreds of them. In our hobby, not everyone "collects". Some of the labels that I have heard tossed about are. Speculators - Buy multiples of perceived rare items for quick resale upon shortages. Some manufacturers and dealers don't like speculators because some individuals go to multiple dealers and put orders in for these hot items and if the shortages occur they buy and then flip to Ebay at inflated prices. If the shortage doesn't occur, these same individuals just cancel there orders. Grinders - these are they individuals who work you over the coals for better pricing and still feel they overpaid, then go on forums advertise there great negotiating skills. Deep Pockets, this individual may not know everything about the hobby, but money is no object and buys what he likes. The list can go on and on. On Wall Street there was a saying, "Speculators eat better, Investors sleep better". Just my opionion.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Fortunately or unfortunately, labels are going to be part of any endeavor involving buying and selling. Working on Wall Street we had hundreds of them. In our hobby, not everyone "collects". Some of the labels that I have heard tossed about are. Speculators - Buy multiples of perceived rare items for quick resale upon shortages. Some manufacturers and dealers don't like speculators because some individuals go to multiple dealers and put orders in for these hot items and if the shortages occur they buy and then flip to Ebay at inflated prices. If the shortage doesn't occur, these same individuals just cancel there orders. Grinders - these are they individuals who work you over the coals for better pricing and still feel they overpaid, then go on forums advertise there great negotiating skills. Deep Pockets, this individual may not know everything about the hobby, but money is no object and buys what he likes. The list can go on and on. On Wall Street there was a saying, "Speculators eat better, Investors sleep better". Just my opionion.

It's a hobby and since I don't "have" to sell anything, I can choose who I want to sell to and am free to say no to a grinder and let the transaction drop. So far I have avoided selling on e-bay. I try to match the market price less any fees I don't need to pay and can offer cheaper shipping than e-bay posts. Who needs aggravation from a hobby.

Terry

 

[Rutledge]

Who needs aggravation from a hobby.

Terry

You must not play golf for a hobby!

 

[Phantom Warrior]

You must not play golf for a hobby!

You're right - I don't What was the expression?

"golf - a good walk spoiled"

Terry

 

[Rutledge]

You're right - I don't What was the expression?

"golf - a good walk spoiled"

Terry

That is the quote. Sometimes I have surely agreed with it. But other times definitely not.

Either way, with golf carts, there is not always that much walking inolved!

 

[Njja]

Njja...

I cannot see for the life of me how anyone could be offended by terms that are used about those collectors who try to speculate on sets. I am not misinformed if that accusation was aimed at my post in anyway shape or form. I also do not see how you can be misinformed if you state this or that. I have no idea what a true collector is and really, have no interest it was not my intention to try and evaluate this. I was responding to the guy Warrior commented on and found that action quite stupid.

If you buy a range of figures, lets say original arnhem range from K&C then sell it as the price and exclusivity rises... Fine. But, to then to re-buy at a higher price and do it again spending more money to get it back and, then, do it again.. then, you are slightly in need of help IMO
Mitch

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Easy there.....you are missing my point.

What difference does it make what a collector choses to do with his collection?

Personally, I don't care what another collector does, sell or not sell, trade or
give stuff away its his business.

I don't see the need to give him a "label" just because he does things perhaps differently then I do.

That was my point. Those that insist on creating these "labels" such

as quasi/collector, speculator/collector always seem to become

offended the moment someone calls them on it.

 

[Njja]

I'm down with this post!

...except the part about how to display. I remember this post from a guy here on the forum who had a lionel train displayed on the floor...maybe used as a stepping stone to get from one side of his collecting room to the other?

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Ha! at the moment I have a bunch on the floor......not for display, or to step on, just a serious lack of space.

My wife is very patient....but even she has limits!

 

[MarkeytMaker]

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Ha! at the moment I have a bunch on the floor......not for display, or to step on, just a serious lack of space.

My wife is very patient....but even she has limits!

Speaking of lack of space...how about a glass floor so you can walk on them and crawl around with friends on your hands and knees looking at them

 

[Mitch]

I don't think I am missing the point. I am not labelling anyone what I said was simple the collector who did what he did in Warriors post was stupid, plain and simple. That was the label I gave him. It was your inference that those that label are confused or misinformed that I took exception too.

That was just argumentative IMO and had nothing to do with being called on as you put it about some labelling issue. How can saying that a collector who buys and sells his collection is anything but a quasi collector/dealer for that is what they are. They are still a collector but have not reached the full dealer status but, in some cases are making money from the hobby so, what is wrong with saying what they are??

I don't think I missed the point at all my post clearly stated that collectors can do as they wish but, having a set selling it and then going through the hastle of buying back several times at a higher price each time is stupid.

It does seem as your first post concluded that you take exception to alleged labelling and seems that you still do my forum friend
Mitch

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Easy there.....you are missing my point.

What difference does it make what a collector choses to do with his collection?

Personally, I don't care what another collector does, sell or not sell, trade or
give stuff away its his business.

I don't see the need to give him a "label" just because he does things perhaps differently then I do.

That was my point. Those that insist on creating these "labels" such

as quasi/collector, speculator/collector always seem to become

offended the moment someone calls them on it.

 

[Njja]

Speaking of lack of space...how about a glass floor so you can walk on them and crawl around with friends on your hands and knees looking at them

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Ha, not necessary, some have been moved up onto a work table. The rest

are awaiting a nice spot once I redo a couple of shelving units. Its a little

difficult to work an additional 35 engines and their assorted cars and

accessories into my existing space. All these items are very special and were

on display in my family home in NJ and have been relocated back to the main

dare I say.........collection.

 

[Njja]

I don't think I am missing the point. I am not labelling anyone what I said was simple the collector who did what he did in Warriors post was stupid, plain and simple. That was the label I gave him. It was your inference that those that label are confused or misinformed that I took exception too.Mitch

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How about this!

Why "label" anyone?

I checked the dictionary under collector it says the following:

A person or thing that collects.

No listing for quasicollector.

Just can't make it any plainer then that.

 

[Mitch]

Cannot make it any clearer. Who cares??? The fact of the matter is you alone have taken exception to the term I used and have had to waste all your time reeling out this stuff to the forum and checking dictionaries. So, who has the issue???

I wil,l if I feel it appropriate, label anyone or anything should it be appropriate for the text and, in this case it was on two fronts: Firstly, as we have drifted away from my text which, has only been half read and understood or, we would not be here, the man in Warriors post was stupid as simple as that. anyone who goes down that line of action is. Secondly, In other threads about those who sell and buy I have repeatedly stated selling a collection is not for me and, others can do what they want, obviously, you were in your dictionary taking notes and missed that point, but, if you are going to buy and sell then quasi collector dealer fits and where is the harm??

The harm seems to be that one poster does not like labels. Well then you are wrecked in society as we are all labelled and, if the worst thing you are called is a quasi collector/dealer (and, amazingly it was not even aimed at you in the first place) then your quite lucky.

This was a throw away comment about the stupidity of a collector but, has escalated because someone has taken exception to a term to the point they quote the dictionary ad hoc.

Should you wish to continue this fine but, at least PM so another thread is not locked down or spoilt for the majority because of a few who take everything way to seriously.
Mitch

 

[glossman]

Cannot make it any clearer. Who cares??? The fact of the matter is you alone have taken exception to the term I used and have had to waste all your time reeling out this stuff to the forum and checking dictionaries. So, who has the issue???

I wil,l if I feel it appropriate, label anyone or anything should it be appropriate for the text and, in this case it was on two fronts: Firstly, as we have drifted away from my text which, has only been half read and understood or, we would not be here, the man in Warriors post was stupid as simple as that. anyone who goes down that line of action is. Secondly, In other threads about those who sell and buy I have repeatedly stated selling a collection is not for me and, others can do what they want, obviously, you were in your dictionary taking notes and missed that point, but, if you are going to buy and sell then quasi collector dealer fits and where is the harm??

The harm seems to be that one poster does not like labels. Well then you are wrecked in society as we are all labelled and, if the worst thing you are called is a quasi collector/dealer (and, amazingly it was not even aimed at you in the first place) then your quite lucky.

This was a throw away comment about the stupidity of a collector but, has escalated because someone has taken exception to a term to the point they quote the dictionary ad hoc.

Should you wish to continue this fine but, at least PM so another thread is not locked down or spoilt for the majority because of a few who take everything way to seriously.
Mitch

Mitch,

Just to clarify only.....

Are you therefore saying that any collector who buys and sells is a quasi collector ?

Raymond.

 

[Mitch]

As I said it was a throw away comment about the stupidity of a collector. But, I have no opinion one way or another I never stated collectors who sell are right or wrong but, as our forum friend has used the dictionary term under his definition of collector it does not then state '' and goes on to sell'' so, I suppose you could use that term should you wish or, a myriad of other terms.

I cannot see what harm it does and have heard collectors called worse for selling. I make no apology for the term as it is harmless but, my main point was about the greif collectors give themselves for no reason other than selling a set and then immediately regretting it. That was the crux and why I said to reduce this buy two items and sell one.

The 'quasi' was reference to the position some find themselves in not, an attempt to say they were less of a collector as you cannot define that terminology to an individual. But, was to show the hybrid nature of some who do this.
Mitch

 

[Gideon]

Sellers regret, has to be worse than buyers regret as with that, at least you've got the item, even if you feel like you overpaid.

Have told countless customers who wanted to sell stuff back to me or trade for a credit that once it's gone, it's going to be tough to get back, it's only fair to give them one last shot to change their mind.

I'm never one to turn down a great deal on a collection or interesting/rare item BUT every person who has approached me to sell, I have done the same.

I would look at a collection and say "is there anything in here that you are really attached to, sentimental about? Think about it and let me know. Sometimes people sell things off and regret it later. Possessions are sometimes just that but some really represent much more."

It's only fair to advise people that way.

 

[ecuriel]

I think sellers regret only happens when the item you sell goes up in value. I can't see much regret when you sell an item and it goes down in value.

 

[Warrior]

I would look at a collection and say "is there anything in here that you are really attached to, sentimental about? Think about it and let me know.

It's only fair to advise people that way.

Agreed 100%, I do the same thing, specifically on old K & C for example. Would rather put that thought in the collectors head rather than him selling it off and regretting it later.

I never cherrypick collections, I buy it all or it's nothing, but I encourage sellers to cherrypick OUT items they really in their heart of hearts do not want to sell..............