K&C/JJD Renault FT "head to head"comparison (2 Viewers)

[Old Bill]

Hi,

I thought it would be interesting to compare the K&C and JJD FT (Cannon armed version) together. Being the owner of both I must say they are fine models.

Obviously the K&C has the Cast type turret and the JJD the Riveted type. The K&C has a much brighter paint finish and a revolving turret.

The JJD has a more muted paint job, an elevating cannon, revolving turret and towing chains, and a choice of open or closed turret access hatches.

The K&C is larger in overall size which I guess would follow as I find K&C generally are larger scale figures compared to JJD's.

Cheers, Roy

 

[Jack]

Both look very nice models but I sympathise with the manufacturers in their timetabling choices. I purchased the K&C version, really liked it, photographed it and plan on using it in a big diorama next year. Unless the big dio plan changes I am not in he market for another no matter how nice it is or what variations it offers. That has nothing to do with the manufacturers but just my reticence to double up given the seemingly endless releases of beautiful items.

 

[lancer]

Thanks for posting the comparison photos. I find them very useful. I have committed to the JJD models but desperately wanted to know how they compared in size to the KC model, as I like it too. I already have a ONWTC R-17, so I am going to wait to see how that compares to the JJD model before deciding on the KC model. Hopefully there will not be a great difference as I wouldn't mind having 3 different makes. Might do it any way and just go with forced perspective. -- Al

 

[Obee]

For another comparison, here is an original tank that I saw in France.



Note the colours and the details, so both JJD and K&C have tried very hard to achieve these miniature masterpieces.

It was outside the Musée de l' Armistice in Compiegne where the armistice was signed in the railway carriage.

http://www.musee-armistice-14-18.fr/#

Well worth a day trip out or Paris, because in the town there is also a Toy Soldier Museum, Le musée de la Figurine historique

http://www.musee-figurine.fr/#_=_

John

 

[ivanmoe]

I've got two of the JJD release on order, but I have to admit that I prefer the lighter colored camo on the KC model. The Jenkins' model appears to be somewhat superior in detail, stuff like the rivets, chain and crew hatch. For display purposes, it looks like something of a wash between the two. IMO, either manufacturer's model will look great in the curio or a diorama.

-Moe

 

[waynepoo]

I have both as well and find no fault with either, yes K&C is bigger but is right for the scale they use, JJD is a little better detailed and in the large scale dio that Jack mentioned both will be used and placed apart the size issue will not appear apparent, all is good and well done K&C and JJD.....:salute::
Wayne.

 

[jazzeum]

Both look very nice models but I sympathise with the manufacturers in their timetabling choices. I purchased the K&C version, really liked it, photographed it and plan on using it in a big diorama next year. Unless the big dio plan changes I am not in he market for another no matter how nice it is or what variations it offers. That has nothing to do with the manufacturers but just my reticence to double up given the seemingly endless releases of beautiful items.

Jack has a good point (that I've mentioned a couple of times) that is starting to concern me and that is "seemingly endless releases of beautiful items." We are not even into the first full year of the anniversary and already we have a plethora of releases. Not only will it be impossible to keep up but it's not desirable to do so. I'm taking a wait and see attitude on new releases and may let several months go by before I commit to purchases.

 

[lancer]

Jack has a good point (that I've mentioned a couple of times) that is starting to concern me and that is "seemingly endless releases of beautiful items." We are not even into the first full year of the anniversary and already we have a plethora of releases. Not only will it be impossible to keep up but it's not desirable to do so. I'm taking a wait and see attitude on new releases and may let several months go by before I commit to purchases.

Good point, Brad. We are being swamped with outstanding releases. The pure number of releases has forced me to concentrate on only the French releases and I have even had to cut down to just the releases from JJD, with an occasional venture into KC or others. After so many years of practically nothing in matte for WW1, we now have just about everything we could want and then some (realizing, of course, that the subject matter is all but inexhaustible). -- Al

 

[Go for Broke]

Jack has a good point (that I've mentioned a couple of times) that is starting to concern me and that is "seemingly endless releases of beautiful items." We are not even into the first full year of the anniversary and already we have a plethora of releases. Not only will it be impossible to keep up but it's not desirable to do so. I'm taking a wait and see attitude on new releases and may let several months go by before I commit to purchases.

I wouldn't wait on JJD's 75mm French field gun. I think its going to sell out, especially with the soldiers pushing the gun. What a display piece! Even I'm giving it a hard look at it.

 

[waynepoo]

Jack has a good point (that I've mentioned a couple of times) that is starting to concern me and that is "seemingly endless releases of beautiful items." We are not even into the first full year of the anniversary and already we have a plethora of releases. Not only will it be impossible to keep up but it's not desirable to do so. I'm taking a wait and see attitude on new releases and may let several months go by before I commit to purchases.

As it will only happen once (hundred year anniversary that is) I say more releases please, I am in a position where there is only me and a dog to feed, I don't have to pay anything off anymore and I earn a fair income and while I understand it is hard for some to afford all these great releases please don't stop them coming as they're are just to good.....:wink2: better TS than wine, women and song at my age...{sm4}
Wayne.

 

[Jack]

Jack has a good point (that I've mentioned a couple of times) that is starting to concern me and that is "seemingly endless releases of beautiful items." We are not even into the first full year of the anniversary and already we have a plethora of releases. Not only will it be impossible to keep up but it's not desirable to do so. I'm taking a wait and see attitude on new releases and may let several months go by before I commit to purchases.

My plan is to collect what I 'must have' and then stop adding to my WW1 collection. I will then take the opportunity to start an entirely new range. I have over a hundred Britains/Jenkins/K&C/TG figures and some vehicles and aircraft from the conflict. Once I add the K&C Gallipoli releases and Jenkins' Old Bill and French 75 I will call it a day. That still will be many, many hundreds of dollars anyway. I will then look around for something new. I am too late for TCS Romans but something will come along that 'demands' to be purchased.

 

[jazzeum]

That is a wise approach but the problem is how does one determine at this stage what it is 'must have'? I feel I now have to wait some time to pass to see the full panoply of issues from JJD, K & C, Britains and TG to determine what I want; I'm interested in the German side of things, which, so far, is under represented. The one exception I will make is Britain's Moser gun as that will be limited to 400. Having a $335 price tag may guarantee that it's around for awhile, however.

 

[ivanmoe]

That is a wise approach but the problem is how does one determine at this stage what it is 'must have'? I feel I now have to wait some time to pass to see the full panoply of issues from JJD, K & C, Britains and TG to determine what I want; I'm interested in the German side of things, which, so far, is under represented. The one exception I will make is Britain's Moser gun as that will be limited to 400. Having a $335 price tag may guarantee that it's around for awhile, however.

For illustrative purposes, I did a little analysis of my KotS buying. As currently constituted, the range set me aback about $8000 USD. That's not a huge amount in TS-$$$, but 95% of the sets were released over a three-year period. A little division tells us that staying current on KotS set me back about $250/month for thirty-six months. Again, that's not mega-bucks, IF one assumes that nothing else, TS-related, was being purchased!:redface2: Seeing as how JJ is actively involved, currently, in both French and UK/CW production, I wouldn't be surprised to see similar cost totals for its WW1 ground forces. I guess my point is that Jenkins tends to manufacture and release sets in something of a flood-like manner, one that can leave some collectors at a loss in determining what to buy and what to let lie. IMO, a lot of collectors would be happier if the releases were spread out over a greater span of time.

-Moe

 

[jazzeum]

For illustrative purposes, I did a little analysis of my KotS buying. As currently constituted, the range set me aback about $8000 USD. That's not a huge amount in TS-$$$, but 95% of the sets were released over a three-year period. A little division tells us that staying current on KotS set me back about $250/month for thirty-six months. Again, that's not mega-bucks, IF one assumes that nothing else, TS-related, was being purchased!:redface2: Seeing as how JJ is actively involved, currently, in both French and UK/CW production, I wouldn't be surprised to see similar cost totals for its WW1 ground forces. I guess my point is that Jenkins tends to manufacture and release sets in something of a flood-like manner, one that can leave some collectors at a loss in determining what to buy and what to let lie. IMO, a lot of collectors would be happier if the releases were spread out over a greater span of time.

-Moe

Excellent post. Time to pick and choose, for me anyway. I'm sure there are some things that are nice -- such as the bird wagon -- that will have to go by the board.

Brad

 

[lancer]

For illustrative purposes, I did a little analysis of my KotS buying. As currently constituted, the range set me aback about $8000 USD. That's not a huge amount in TS-$$$, but 95% of the sets were released over a three-year period. A little division tells us that staying current on KotS set me back about $250/month for thirty-six months. Again, that's not mega-bucks, IF one assumes that nothing else, TS-related, was being purchased!:redface2: Seeing as how JJ is actively involved, currently, in both French and UK/CW production, I wouldn't be surprised to see similar cost totals for its WW1 ground forces. I guess my point is that Jenkins tends to manufacture and release sets in something of a flood-like manner, one that can leave some collectors at a loss in determining what to buy and what to let lie. IMO, a lot of collectors would be happier if the releases were spread out over a greater span of time.

-Moe

Good post, as it is the same problem I have faced. The one saving grace for me has been the long gap (some 15 months) since JJD last put out a WW1 aircraft. The planes are my Achilles heel and I will purchase them over anything else, including the wonderful JJD Poilu series (with the exception of the must have 75 gun). If JJD had continued releasing aircraft at the same rate as he had been doing early on, my budget when have been going entirely to the aircraft and I wouldn't have been able to afford the Poilus and tanks. Basically, I am doomed regardless of what JJD does in his release schedule, unless he stops both the aircraft and Poilus. Then I would be back after his French-Indian War releases. I am as doomed as doomed can be.:redface2: -- Al

 

[Phantom Warrior]

So you have to make choices. :rolleyes2: And they are all high quality. Can't have it all. What a bunch of whiners. ^&grin

Terry

 

[jazzeum]

So you have to make choices. :rolleyes2: And they are all high quality. Can't have it all. What a bunch of whiners. ^&grin

Terry

I learned from you :wink2:

 

[lancer]

So you have to make choices. :rolleyes2: And they are all high quality. Can't have it all. What a bunch of whiners. ^&grin

Terry

Come on, Terry. Everyone and their mother knows how to spell 'winners'. Get the spell check corrected.:wink2:{sm3} -- Al

 

[chalklands]

Hi,
I'm also struggling to keep up with the new releases....One vehicle and a couple of figures each month (brilliant as they are) is stretching my budget to say the least! The Poilu's are superlative though:



At the moment I'm basically down to collecting one series from one manufacturer, with a couple of fill ins where possible. But if I buy the French gun and the Old Bill Bus, I'm tied into the supporting figures as well....And that is before something else just as good comes along (which I'm sure it will)!

Not complaining, just stating where I'm at at the moment....

We're doomed Captain Mainwaring....Doomed!

Pete

 

[mikemiller1955]

Pete...

that is a very...very...very cool grouping!!!