K&C..to mix or not to mix (1 Viewer)

Re: K&C..no mix no way!

I mix everything if it goes well together why not.

I agree, if they work well together why not?

I strongly disagree that one shouldn't mix different manufactures together if it seems right. The whole original question/statement seems silly to me. Especially when it comes from a forum veteran....

It seems cheap to me, but what do I know- I'm a newbie :)
 
Re: K&C..no mix no way!

Rob,

I totaly see your point, and, with the exception of Thomas Gunn, I tend not to mix figures with K&C figures. However, if you don't mind me highjacking your thread just a bit, your point leads me to another related point: the futile argument constantly reiterated on this forum about who makes the best figures, vehicles, planes, dioramas, etc.

To me, the argument will always be futile, because these toys are really tiny sculptures, little works of art, and each manufacturer (and each sculptor, master painter, modeler and diorama builder within each manufacturer) has his or her own artistic style. I actually had a discussion with Andy at the OTSN about how I enjoyed equally his brother Gordon's magnificent dioramas and Ken Osen's completely different but equally magnificent dioramas, because each of these two diorama artists had mastered the style they preferred: Gordon was the master of what I would call the "Baroque" or "Hellenistic" theatrical diorama, with the most possible action and eye candy packed into every possible cubic inch of his 3-D masterpieces. Ken, on the other hand, is the master of the high renaissance diorama, simple, beautiful, stunningly accurate (you ever watch Dragnet as a kid - "just the facts, ma'am").

To me, the figures and vehicles are also reflective of the stylistic preference and artistry of the manufacturer. Andy's vision guides King & Country, John Jenkins' own style adds a different flavor to his figures, as does Matt's vision for First Legion, etc. Arguing the comparative merits of each artist's approach is like arguing whether Michelangelo, or Leonardo, or Bernini, or Picasso is the greatest artist who ever lived. They were all virtuosos of their own medium, be it sculpture or painting, and their own style from the high renaissance to the baroque to cubism. Different art historians will argue as passionately about the merits of each of these artists as we tend to argue about the merits of our favorite manufacturer(s). In the end, few passionately held opinions - and that's what these arguments all boil down to, the opinions of the beholders - are going to be swayed by the arguments of any supporters of a different camp.

As I have mentioned in other posts, I am one of the odd collectors who enjoy equally realistic matt figures and vehicles and traditional, toyish, glossy toy soldiers and tinplate vehicles and aircraft. My two favorite manufacturers are King & Country, the fathers of the mat revolution in the hobby, and Heco Tinplate Models, a mom and pop cottage manufacturer of very traditional, glossy, tinplate vehicles, aircraft and soldiers. My collection also includes figures, vehicles and aircraft by John Jenkins Designs, Figarti, Thomas Gunn Miniatures, and First Legion among the matt manufacturers, and Trophy, Imperial, Frontline, Britains, Tommy Atkins, Lezinski, and Edmunds Toy Soldiers among the glossy manufacturers. I have 18 of Gordon's K&C dioramas, 8 dioramas from Ken Osen, and a few others of materials from Build-a-Rama, JG Miniatures, and other diorama manufacturers.

I love them all. Who is the best among them? I refuse to beat my head against that brick wall, and leave that to the "true believers." To me every one of them is fine art, and despite stylistic differences, they are all excellent in my book.

So when I see fellow members posting "fact: this" and "fact: that" as I have on a few threads concerning the comparative merits of the wonderful selection of eastern front vehicles recently, I just want to say: "fact: not too long ago we were all grousing about the fact that no manufacturer was making Eastern front vehicles, now we are spoiled for choice, lets just enjoy it, and if you must vote for your favorite, do it with your wallet. Oh, and vote early and often . . . :wink2:
 
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Re: K&C..no mix no way!

Very well said Louis, couldn't agree more!

Tom
 
Re: K&C..no mix no way!

As I have mentioned in other posts, I am one of the odd collectors who enjoy equally realistic matt figures and vehicles and traditional, toyish, glossy toy soldiers and tinplate vehicles and aircraft.

It may be a small group but count me in: I love the K & C, Figarti and First Legion matte style but love equally the K & C, Somerset, Trophy and other gloss figures that I have.
 
Re: K&C..no mix no way!

From my own standpoint if it is compatible scale wise and not look out of place then no problem for me.
Louis made some very good points in his post regarding the who is better than who story. Letting the wallet
Do the talking sure says it all.
 
Re: K&C..no mix no way!

Now there's a shock and awe from Robin! Nice collection and pic's mate.{bravo}}

Regarding your thread topic Rob, i am a bit each way on this as i like to keep my K&C figures and vehicles separate from other manufacturers but at the same time i also like to mix several of my displays together. I have a Patriot Winter Nebelwerfer with crew and i think they work in very well with my K&C BBG sets. I also think some Figarti vehicles such as the SdKfz 7/1 Flakvierling work well with K&C figures and vehicles. Thomas Gunn work extremely well with K&C and i have mixed them heavily with my K&C setups. I don't mix my Collector Showcase items with my K&C stuff with the exception of my Normandy Hanomag which works in quite well with my Normandy K&C setup.

Tom

Excellent post Tom, dio's can work fine ' mixed' but for displays I tend to separate.

This is not WW II but in his dios Bob (UK Reb) does an excellent job of mixing brands. Unless you knew the particular figures, you would have a hard time telling which is which.

Brad

Yes he is easily the best at the art of mixing in dios and I fully agree you can hardly tell which is which, that really takes some doing.

Interesting thread...

I mix KC with CS veichles and tanks, Del Prado, and other companies. When I make a diorama, I think that one company can' t produce everything to make a realistic dio ,especially if it is a big one. And I like different interpretations and different details: EX. I love KC american Indians but all of them or almost have the same hair style, same personal furnitures.....
Also KC, like every company, doesn' t "succeed" all the figures of a same army( I also repaint some KC soldiers or part of them to make them historically correct and hide some " poetic licences").
I like KC very much, but for some armies, I find a dio just made of it a little " cartoonish" for the bright colours.

Poppo, I do agree that CS, Figarti vehicles look pretty good with K&C figures.

Rob:

I do not mix for the exact reasons that you list. On a side note, besides K&C, I do collect First Legion and their size alone precludes the use of them with K&C.

Yes the size is quite different isn't it so I agree with you there. FL's ACW figures are sublime, some of the best I've seen (their Crusaders are also very nice indeed) and deserve a stand alone display.

I agree, if they work well together why not?

I strongly disagree that one shouldn't mix different manufactures together if it seems right. The whole original question/statement seems silly to me. Especially when it comes from a forum veteran....

It seems cheap to me, but what do I know- I'm a newbie :)

First of all I did not say you or ANYBODY else should not mix their figures, so perhaps quote me properly before making accusations of cheapness, I merely said I do not display mine together. Honestly some people just want to look for trouble sometimes, if you are a newbie perhaps you will learn that we are adults around here and quite able to discuss the hobby without that sort of thing.

Rob,

I totaly see your point, and, with the exception of Thomas Gunn, I tend not to mix figures with K&C figures. However, if you don't mind me highjacking your thread just a bit, your point leads me to another related point: the futile argument constantly reiterated on this forum about who makes the best figures, vehicles, planes, dioramas, etc.

To me, the argument will always be futile, because these toys are really tiny sculptures, little works of art, and each manufacturer (and each sculptor, master painter, modeler and diorama builder within each manufacturer) has his or her own artistic style. I actually had a discussion with Andy at the OTSN about how I enjoyed equally his brother Gordon's magnificent dioramas and Ken Osen's completely different but equally magnificent dioramas, because each of these two diorama artists had mastered the style they preferred: Gordon was the master of what I would call the "Baroque" or "Hellenistic" theatrical diorama, with the most possible action and eye candy packed into every possible cubic inch of his 3-D masterpieces. Ken, on the other hand, is the master of the high renaissance diorama, simple, beautiful, stunningly accurate (you ever watch Dragnet as a kid - "just the facts, ma'am").

To me, the figures and vehicles are also reflective of the stylistic preference and artistry of the manufacturer. Andy's vision guides King & Country, John Jenkins' own style adds a different flavor to his figures, as does Matt's vision for First Legion, etc. Arguing the comparative merits of each artist's approach is like arguing whether Michelangelo, or Leonardo, or Bernini, or Picasso is the greatest artist who ever lived. They were all virtuosos of their own medium, be it sculpture or painting, and their own style from the high renaissance to the baroque to cubism. Different art historians will argue as passionately about the merits of each of these artists as we tend to argue about the merits of our favorite manufacturer(s). In the end, few passionately held opinions - and that's what these arguments all boil down to, the opinions of the beholders - are going to be swayed by the arguments of any supporters of a different camp.

As I have mentioned in other posts, I am one of the odd collectors who enjoy equally realistic matt figures and vehicles and traditional, toyish, glossy toy soldiers and tinplate vehicles and aircraft. My two favorite manufacturers are King & Country, the fathers of the mat revolution in the hobby, and Heco Tinplate Models, a mom and pop cottage manufacturer of very traditional, glossy, tinplate vehicles, aircraft and soldiers. My collection also includes figures, vehicles and aircraft by John Jenkins Designs, Figarti, Thomas Gunn Miniatures, and First Legion among the matt manufacturers, and Trophy, Imperial, Frontline, Britains, Tommy Atkins, Lezinski, and Edmunds Toy Soldiers among the glossy manufacturers. I have 18 of Gordon's K&C dioramas, 8 dioramas from Ken Osen, and a few others of materials from Build-a-Rama, JG Miniatures, and other diorama manufacturers.

I love them all. Who is the best among them? I refuse to beat my head against that brick wall, and leave that to the "true believers." To me every one of them is fine art, and despite stylistic differences, they are all excellent in my book.

So when I see fellow members posting "fact: this" and "fact: that" as I have on a few threads concerning the comparative merits of the wonderful selection of eastern front vehicles recently, I just want to say: "fact: not too long ago we were all grousing about the fact that no manufacturer was making Eastern front vehicles, now we are spoiled for choice, lets just enjoy it, and if you must vote for your favorite, do it with your wallet. Oh, and vote early and often . . . :wink2:

Excellent post Louis, thanks for giving us your views on this.

The reason I started this thread was that I have friends on both sides of the fence as it were. James for instance mixes his Figarti Brit D Day figures with his K&C's versions and they work very nicely indeed. Jeff on the other hand who has some excellent collections does not mix at all. I just thought it interesting the way different folk go about displaying their own collections.

Rob
 
Seamless mixing, totally seamless {bravo}}^&cool;

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Simmo, from what I've seen mate your dio's have got better and better over the years{bravo}}

Rob

Rob I have improved but have a long way to go. I think your last dio with the bomb in the pit showed more imagination then you give yourself credit for. You think long and hard about what you what to produce and seem to get there . This site is great for dio makers and I often pluck ideas and thoughts from them . Simmo.
 
Rob I have improved but have a long way to go. I think your last dio with the bomb in the pit showed more imagination then you give yourself credit for. You think long and hard about what you what to produce and seem to get there . This site is great for dio makers and I often pluck ideas and thoughts from them . Simmo.

Thanks Simmo, appreciate that. It is a great place for dio's isn't it.

Simmo, I've just been told in a pm that this thread could be seen as a swipe at FL, as an FL collector do you consider it such???? If people think it is I will ask for it to be removed, all I wanted to do was to discuss how folk go about displaying and what they will and won't match, its getting to a point that you can't post without thinking about every type of slur that could be taken from it!

Again, no offence to any product was intended, just asking questions about collecting habits.

Rob
 
Thanks Simmo, appreciate that. It is a great place for dio's isn't it.

Simmo, I've just been told in a pm that this thread could be seen as a swipe at FL, as an FL collector do you consider it such???? If people think it is I will ask for it to be removed, all I wanted to do was to discuss how folk go about displaying and what they will and won't match, its getting to a point that you can't post without thinking about every type of slur that could be taken from it!

Again, no offence to any product was intended, just asking questions about collecting habits.

Rob

Don't be silly mate . I love toy soldiers as you do. First legion do great stuff and so do K&C . Mate enjoy this thread you started and the reply's will come. You no PM'S are snake like at times. Don't pull this thread if you no you started it for just as you stated it. Simmo.
 
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Rob
I only collect K&C and TGM and they mix very well together . Here you have some proof
guy:)
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For me its easier mixing non WWII themes than with WWII products from differing manufacturers. I don't really think you can mix at all really apart from say K&C and TG and then its still noticable the companies differences the others all have very different paint style, paint colour, size for figures and AFV's whether one likes it or not and, they all have their own unique way of making these sets. We can clearly see just from the recent releases in Tigers the different ways companies interpret in design and research this one AFV. some get more right in terms of paint and accuracy more than others do.

I don't mind all the discussions about who is better or who makes this correct and that wrong as its part and parcel of what a forum is all about. Not sure any point is futile and don't think anyone has the right, intelligence or more say than others to say some comment is this or that.

Even on a topic like this some could say mixing one brand with another is wrong and thats a fact!! it may be to them but not others. If all have the same opinion which, I am sure some would like it makes the whole idea about a forum and discussing toy soldiers seem to be a waste.

Mix if you wish don't mix if it bothers you. It all depends on what you want from the hobby.
Mitch
 
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Simmo, I've just been told in a pm that this thread could be seen as a swipe at FL, as an FL collector do you consider it such???? If people think it is I will ask for it to be removed, all I wanted to do was to discuss how folk go about displaying and what they will and won't match, its getting to a point that you can't post without thinking about every type of slur that could be taken from it!

Again, no offence to any product was intended, just asking questions about collecting habits.

Rob

Rob,

I wouldn't worry what naysayers may say. Must come from people who worry about too many things instead of enjoying the hobby. Too many negative vibes, man :smile2: It was pretty obvious you were just trying to get some good discussion going. Keep up the good work mate.

Rob
I only collect K&C and TGM and they mix very well together . Here you have some proof
guy:)

Isn't that the whole reason for TG: to be compatible with K & C. I thought that is what TG said when they were first started.
 
Rob,

I wouldn't worry what naysayers may say. Must come from people who worry about too many things instead of enjoying the hobby. Too many negative vibes, man :smile2: It was pretty obvious you were just trying to get some good discussion going. Keep up the good work mate.



Thanks Brad,

Maybe I should have worded it differently, but just trying to get some chat going:smile2:

Rob
 

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