K&C's Focke Wolfe wrong type? (2 Viewers)

[IXEC]

Good looking plane but wrong type here I'm afraid...

Bar's Fw-190 was the A-7 version in this paint scheme ( late war ).

K&C's looks like the A-3 type ( early war ).

Lots of other "off " details going on here....why the poor research

Can it be fixed before release..??

 

[IXEC]

Here's what Bar's Focke Wolfe looked like....

 

[Spitfrnd]

Now that you mention it, I have also read that Bar's Red 13 was an A-7, as distinquished by the nose bumps for the cowling with 13 millimeter MG-131s that replaced the smaller 7.92 MG-17s of earlier variants. Of course, there weren't many A-7s produced and they are virtually indistinguishable visually from the mass produced A-8. In any event, the model appears to be an A-3. What about the spinner differences; Bar reputedly had a black and white spiral as shown by your photo?

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Bar didn't always fly the same plane. He got his 200th victory in #23. And I'm not sure if he flew any earlier versions of the FW. He was demoted once and flew as an ordinary (non-command) pilot - whether it was a 190A-3, I do not know. Also, he originally flew Me109s so may not have flown an early FW.

Terry

 

[Spitfrnd]

Bar didn't always fly the same plane. He got his 200th victory in #23. And I'm not sure if he flew any earlier versions of the FW. He was demoted once and flew as an ordinary (non-command) pilot - whether it was a 190A-3, I do not know. Also, he originally flew Me109s so may not have flown an early FW.

Terry

No WWII pilot always flew the same plane if they lasted long enough. Bar flew with JG 77 for much of his career, which meant he flew Me-109E thorough Gs. He started flying FW-190s with JG 1 in January 1944 and from March of 1944, JG 1 flew FW-190A-7s.

Yes he is described as getting his 200th in Red 23 but Red 13 had the special 200 kills marking on the rudder, as shown in the photo and the model. I haven't seen anything to suggest it would be correct to show this tail marking on an A-3.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Yes he is described as getting his 200th in Red 23 but Red 13 had the special 200 kills marking on the rudder, as shown in the photo and the model. It would not be correct to show this tail marking on an A-3.

True. And I am pretty sure he flew only A-7s and A-8s. Red 13 was his regular commanders aircraft and 23 was his spare.

Terry

 

[unglesbeemj]

Good looking plane but wrong type here I'm afraid...

Bar's Fw-190 was the A-7 version in this paint scheme ( late war ).

K&C's looks like the A-3 type ( early war ).

Lots of other "off " details going on here....why the poor research

Can it be fixed before release..??

Right, I picked up on the missing white spiral on the prop nose, and missing horizontal red bar on the red band, but decided I could live with these missing details - unfortunate since there are so many available color plates and actual photos of Red 13 - one which clearly shows the white spiral (and it just looks cool too). I figured a Eagle Strike decal set could fix these, there is a 1/32 Red 13 decal set, but wish I did not have to.

I would be interested to understand better why you think the K&C model is an A-3 type vs. A-7/8 flown by Bar? I can look it up on the internet later this evening, but do we have any Forum Fw 190 experts that can weigh in here and confirm this? Would be an interesting discusion point for those of us passionate about German aviation.

Mike

 

[Mitch]

Guys,

For all I like factuality especially in my militaria I think with the superb detail that is involved in this piece to give K&C some artistic license is the least we can do..

I bet all 750 will 'fly' out (no pun)

Mitch

 

[Rob]

Guys,

For all I like factuality especially in my militaria I think with the superb detail that is involved in this piece to give K&C some artistic license is the least we can do..

I bet all 750 will 'fly' out (no pun)

Mitch

I very much agree,this baby will go in a flash,and I know where one of them is going

Rob

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Now that you mention it, I have also read that Bar's Red 13 was an A-7, as distinquished by the nose bumps for the cowling with 13 millimeter MG-131s that replaced the smaller 7.92 MG-17s of earlier variants. Of course, there weren't many A-7s produced and they are virtually indistinguishable visually from the mass produced A-8. In any event, the model appears to be an A-3. What about the spinner differences; Bar reputedly had a black and white spiral as shown by your photo?

Right, I picked up on the missing white spiral on the prop nose, and missing horizontal red bar on the red band, but decided I could live with these missing details - unfortunate since there are so many available color plates and actual photos of Red 13 - one which clearly shows the white spiral (and it just looks cool too). I figured a Eagle Strike decal set could fix these, there is a 1/32 Red 13 decal set, but wish I did not have to.

I would be interested to understand better why you think the K&C model is an A-3 type vs. A-7/8 flown by Bar? I can look it up on the internet later this evening, but do we have any Forum Fw 190 experts that can weigh in here and confirm this? Would be an interesting discusion point for those of us passionate about German aviation.

Mike

Spitfrnd already pointed out the bumps on the nose for the larger MG. You noted the painted spinner. And there is a small fin under the improved centre line hard point under the A-7/A-8. The wing was redesigned to be lighter with more room for 20mm ammo, but I don't think that would be too visible.

Most diecast models (Corgi, Dragon, Carousel, Franklin) are of the A-3 no matter who flew it. Only Hobby Master and Witty make an A-8 (but not for Bar)

The most noticeable things are the spiral spinner and the cowling bumps for the MG, otherwise a great looking model. In fact, I think it is the best looking FW model on the market rivaled only by the Hobby Master which is only 1:48 scale.

Terry

 

[uksubs]

I very much agree,this baby will go in a flash,and I know where one of them is going

Rob

think your right + it does look good
Will be seeing the real thing flying at the Berlin air show this month
Can't wait for the Hawker Tempest & hope they make a Me 262 night fighter

 

[Phantom Warrior]

It seems Dragon did a Red 23 A-7 with the correct spinner, MG cowling and centre line bomb rack but only 2 of the 4 20mm cannon? It's in 1:72 scale.

Terry

 

[Rob]

think your right + it does look good
Will be seeing the real thing flying at the Berlin air show this month
Can't wait for the Hawker Tempest & hope they make a Me 262 night fighter

Thing is we live in a free world and have every right to raise any points we like like,but all I see is a superb looking aircraft with great weathering and detail and I want one!

Rob

 

[uksubs]

Thing is we live in a free world and have every right to raise any points we like like,but all I see is a superb looking aircraft with great weathering and detail and I want one!

Rob

that make two of us then

 

[Rob]

that make two of us then

Yep,and I reckon those other 748 won't be around long!

Rob

 

[MapleLeaf]

I really don't care about the type
mine will be repaint desert version
need to protect Rommel's taxi
Maple Leaf

 

[Spitfrnd]

Spitfrnd already pointed out the bumps on the nose for the larger MG. You noted the painted spinner. And there is a small fin under the improved centre line hard point under the A-7/A-8. The wing was redesigned to be lighter with more room for 20mm ammo, but I don't think that would be too visible.
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Terry

Correct, here are two reference sites (which in turn have many links) that are pretty good at explaining the differences but the most obvious visual difference is the bumps on the nose visible in IXEC's photo of an A-7.
http://www.vectorsite.net/avfw190.html
http://www.acepilots.com/german/fw190.html

 

[Rob]

Bill,as our forum Aircraft expert can I ask a FW related question.I remember you saying that the later FW's were still outclassed by the later Spits,how did the FW compare to the P51?.

Rob

 

[Spitfrnd]

Bill,as our forum Aircraft expert can I ask a FW related question.I remember you saying that the later FW's were still outclassed by the later Spits,how did the FW compare to the P51?.

Rob

Highly debated question Rob; the P-51 pilots tended to think they had the edge and conversely the 190 pilots thought the opposite and there are many today on both sides of the question. Based on the reports by those who had the chance to actually fly both and the aerodynamics of modeling them, I think the P-51B/C was a better flyer than early FW-A models, which were the best flying FW 190s. The later A models suffered too much loss in weight / thrust ratio and the D model, while very fast, was not nearly as quick and agile as the original A. Having help design flight sim aerodynamic characteristics and flown all sim models of each, I would rather be in a P-51, even the somewhat imperfectly balanced D model, which did of course come with the best cockpit visibility. FWIW, the early A model really was relatively the best fighter for some time after it came out. The allies didn't get the edge back until the Mk 9/8 Spitfire and the P-51 B/C. The A-7 and later A series models were intended as bomber killers, something they were indeed quite good at.

BTW, there are many published opinions on this question, including this Osprey title that has some interesting data for sure
http://www.ospreypublishing.com/store/P-51-Mustang-vs-Fw-190_9781846031892/

 

[Rob]

Highly debated question Rob; the P-51 pilots tended to think they had the edge and conversely the 190 pilots thought the opposite. Based on the reports by those who had the chance to actually fly both and the aerodynamics of modeling them, I think the P-51B/C was a better flyer than early FW-A models, which were the best flying FW 190s. The later A models suffered too much loss in weight / thrust ratio and the D model, while very fast, was not nearly as quick and agile as the original A. Having help design flight sim aerodynamic characteristics and flown all sim models of each, I would rather be in a P-51, even the somewhat imperfectly balanced D model, which did of course come with the best cockpit visibility. FWIW, the early A model really was relatively the best fighter for some time after it came out. The allies didn't get the edge back until the Mk 9/8 Spitfire and the P-51 B/C. The A-7 and later A series models were intended as bomber killers, something they were indeed quite good at.

Thanks Bill,thats very interesting

Rob