Kaisers staffwagon 2! (1 Viewer)

[Jamo]

Having seen these various pics of these vehicles, does anyone else think one of those old London buses the British Army shipped out to the Western front to ferry troops about would be a very nice release?.

Rob

I agree, and would definately buy it! Infact, I commented on this as soon as the dispatches came up on that thread earlier this month. I made reference to a Trophy troop carrying western front bus which I'm sure I've seen. Can anyone confirm this was made? I suspect that Andy isn't too keen on doing such a unique piece when another manufacturer has already done it though......

I like the staffwagen but wouldn't buy it. Mainly because IMO it is too much of a novelty and quite expensive. Maybe some of the new WW1 figures though.

 

[craig1985taylor]

Having seen these various pics of these vehicles, does anyone else think one of those old London buses the British Army shipped out to the Western front to ferry troops about would be a very nice release?.

Rob

I'd be up for getting one of those!!!

Craig

 

[craig1985taylor]

I agree, and would definately buy it! Infact, I commented on this as soon as the dispatches came up on that thread earlier this month. I made reference to a Trophy troop carrying western front bus which I'm sure I've seen. Can anyone confirm this was made? I suspect that Andy isn't too keen on doing such a unique piece when another manufacturer has already done it though......

I like the staffwagen but wouldn't buy it. Mainly because IMO it is too much of a novelty and quite expensive. Maybe some of the new WW1 figures though.

Trophy of Wales made a gloss one not long before they closed up, & I believe that a matte version was released by the firm that bought all the molds up!

Craig

 

[jazzeum]

As a point of clarification, Mercedes and Daimler were separate companies at this time; Mercedes did not acquire Daimler until after WW II.

Correction on the above, which is totally incorrect. What we now know now as Mercedes-Benz was a merger of two companies, Daimler-Motoren-Gesellschaft and Benz & Co. DMG built a racing car that was commissioned by Emil Jellinek and named after Jellinek's daughter Mercedes. Who was Emil Jellinek? See here for an explanation and how the name Mercedes came to be. In 1926, the two companies merged to form Daimler-Benz AG. It is now known as Daimler AG. Mercedes-Benz is actually more of a trademark or a brand name, rather than the name of the company.

 

[kogu]

I spent quite some time the last couple of days browsing German websites, cause I wanted to find a picture or some written record with any hints to the Kaiser's Staffwagon. No luck yet.
Checked the Mercedes (Daimler-Benz) museum website too.
If there is anything on the web or in books, I would have thought that "our" most capable researcher, Polarbear, would have come up with something by now.
It will be most interesting to see/hear what info will be revealed in the future.
Konrad

 

[jazzeum]

Great minds think alike Konrad. I had also checked the Museum website. At the very least, I'm learning a lot about Mercedes. The Mercedes corporate side has a brief history of the company.

 

[Mitch]

Chris...

One thing the germans were sticklers for was accuracy over deployment figures, numbers what vehicles how many etc. I was in my post referring to these in relation to which vehicles were sent where as an indication that these records are better than a veterans account who was ''there'' but, may not have been actually ''there'' (where the question derives from) if you get my drift.
Mitch

and potentially biased. "Official" accounts can often be wildly exaggerated compared to the events on the ground.

 

[trooper]

Trophy of Wales made a gloss one not long before they closed up, & I believe that a matte version was released by the firm that bought all the molds up!

Craig

Maison Militaire now have all the Trophy pieces and did release a matt version, although actual production of the Trophy range appears to be a bit spamodic. Why this should be I don't know but I was told that it is most likely because of the chaotic way the moulds were made with bits and pieces of various figures all jumbled together. A nightmare for anyone who is not very familiar with the range.

 

[PolarBear]

I spent quite some time the last couple of days browsing German websites, cause I wanted to find a picture or some written record with any hints to the Kaiser's Staffwagon. No luck yet.
Checked the Mercedes (Daimler-Benz) museum website too.
If there is anything on the web or in books, I would have thought that "our" most capable researcher, Polarbear, would have come up with something by now.
It will be most interesting to see/hear what info will be revealed in the future.
Konrad

Konrad

I have been working on this for days but to no avail and I have over 30 years of academic searching experience but keep coming up empty on this one.
Andy's description says the truck was a Mercedes but the closest vehicle seems to be the one made by Buessing NAG that Arnhem Jim referred to in a previous post. Searching for WWI trucks made by Mercedes has turned up nothing. If anyone has the book Jim mentioned and has a scanner could they please post the illustration for us.

Andy could quickly put an end to all this frustration by showing us his documentation for the new release. It is interesting that Andy has called it a "staffwagen" since this translates to staff car which was K&C's original release of the Kaiser's automobile.

It's a great looking vehicle as is the staff car but inquiring minds want to know

 

[lancer]

Things get curiouser and curiouser. -- Al

 

[PolarBear]

I am wondering if any biographical books on Kaiser Wilhelm mention or illustrate this vehicle? It is possible that Andy read a description of such a truck in a bio and then based the model on other German trucks of WWI if there was no photographic documentation. I love the look of the new K&C model and now regret not having picked up the $79 staff car before it retired. That beauty had to be the bargain of the decade.

Randy

 

[Mitch]

I love a mystery!!!
Mitch

 

[jazzeum]

I am wondering if any biographical books on Kaiser Wilhelm mention or illustrate this vehicle? It is possible that Andy read a description of such a truck in a bio and then based the model on other German trucks of WWI if there was no photographic documentation. I love the look of the new K&C model and now regret not having picked up the $79 staff car before it retired. That beauty had to be the bargain of the decade.

Randy

The staff car is very well done and sorry you didn't get it. I would like to add the truck to my existing truck to my dio of marching Germans. I'll try to snap a photo later.

 

[Rob]

The staff car is very well done and sorry you didn't get it. I would like to add the truck to my existing truck to my dio of marching Germans. I'll try to snap a photo later.

That staff car was a lovely release wasn't it, thats an item that will most likely be worth a fair few quid in a few years time, the German releases in this WW1 are really nice, oh for more money

Rob

 

[Arnhemjim]

To All Interested Forum Members,
In response to several requests, and with apologies in advance regarding the attached jpg (size, resolution, etc.) which I have previously tried to verbally describe as a possible reference source for the forthcoming "Kaiser Bill's Staffwagen". The top truck "may" have served as a baseline model. Hope this helps.
Arnhemjim

 

[GJB22]

How many of you are actually going to buy this piece? $255 is quite high for one vehicle and I could only justify the price for something truly special.

 

[Mitch]

Looks like the buissing that I posted before the first thread got locked down. Though, the amount of pics I have found of the Kaiser at the front I still have been unable to find a vehicle adapted for him in such a manner. I know that does not mean it did not exist but, I would venture it may not have now as surely, someone would have found it now.

As I said its still a really nice vehicle and one which any collector can have as a stand alone piece even if your not a WW1 collector. Its certainly had its fair share of publicity and scrutiny so, its bound to be a good seller
Mitch

 

[Currahee Chris]

How many of you are actually going to buy this piece? $255 is quite high for one vehicle and I could only justify the price for something truly special.

I won't. I decided to opt out of the WW1 race late last year. I think this thing will sell based on it's size and aethetics.

 

[whdamon]

I searched for the German Staff car for about 3 months to no avail. Finally found a used one that a vendor at the Long Island Show had picked up when he bought a collection. paid about 170...about 100 premium from original price so not thrilled but within my acceptable range for something I wanted and could't find.
Hobby Bunker noted they had a damaged one from a collection (wind shield and wheel damage), I was very tempted to go through their boneyard and buy it for fix up. I don't collect for investment so a rehab job that looks presentable would of worked out fine.

Bottomline, consider my self most lucky to have recently found one. and it should go good in a display with any additional K&C WWI stuff as well as John Jenkins Tri-Planes and HANGER TENTS (Speaking of Hangers...see next thread for a question)

Walt Damon