King and Country Micheal Wittmann’s First Tiger I (1 Viewer)

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Hi Friends,
I hope I can get a valid answer on this. The King and Country Wittman’s first Tiger I has Micheal Wittmann in a grey uniform. I known the Sturmgeschutz in the LAH wore grey uniforms and the LAH Panzer ( tank) units wore black uniforms. So why is Michael Wittmann wearing grey in a Tiger I at the Battle of Kursk? These models are very expensive I just want to make sure it is correct before making a purchase.

Thank you,
Kevin
 
Hi Friends,
I hope I can get a valid answer on this. The King and Country Wittman’s first Tiger I has Micheal Wittmann in a grey uniform. I known the Sturmgeschutz in the LAH wore grey uniforms and the LAH Panzer ( tank) units wore black uniforms. So why is Michael Wittmann wearing grey in a Tiger I at the Battle of Kursk? These models are very expensive I just want to make sure it is correct before making a purchase.

Thank you,
Kevin

It's toy soldiers mate, we don't buy them because they are correct. If you can put up with a little inaccuracies buy it, if not...avoid.

Scott
 
It's toy soldiers mate, we don't buy them because they are correct. If you can put up with a little inaccuracies buy it, if not...avoid.

Scott


Scott,

Not to be a contrarian, but I would say some folks actually do buy their miniatures because they are correct, or at least prefer them that way. I'm not saying that these particular figures are correct or incorrect, I wouldn't know. But to just dismiss a valid question doesn't seem so helpful. Moreover, I'm not sure how one would define "little inaccuracies".

Joe
 
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Very easy job to repaint them in black...

Poppo,

Some folks don't want to spend big $ on a model and then have to repaint the figures right out of the box. Now I'm not saying the figures even require repainting, but not all collectors are painters, and an easy paint job for you might not be for someone else. A lot of folks would never even consider repainting a K & C figure.

Joe
 
I have asked the same a while ago, and received an answer from Andy Neilson stating that Wittmann is wearing the lightweight cotton fieldgrey tunic as it's in the middle of a hot Russian summer at Kursk. Makes sense to me. Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Vincent


Hi Friends,
I hope I can get a valid answer on this. The King and Country Wittman’s first Tiger I has Micheal Wittmann in a grey uniform. I known the Sturmgeschutz in the LAH wore grey uniforms and the LAH Panzer ( tank) units wore black uniforms. So why is Michael Wittmann wearing grey in a Tiger I at the Battle of Kursk? These models are very expensive I just want to make sure it is correct before making a purchase.

Thank you,
Kevin
 
I have asked the same a while ago, and received an answer from Andy Neilson stating that Wittmann is wearing the lightweight cotton fieldgrey tunic as it's in the middle of a hot Russian summer at Kursk. Makes sense to me. Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Vincent

Many thanks Vincent.
All the best,
Andy.
 
The uniform he is wearing is called the PANZERKOMBI ( blue -grey denim).This uniform was issued to panzer crews for maintenance work, but the crews sometimes wore it in the general field service.( in later war years the SS changed it into camo kombis)
I hope this helps
Guy :)
 
I have asked the same a while ago, and received an answer from Andy Neilson stating that Wittmann is wearing the lightweight cotton fieldgrey tunic as it's in the middle of a hot Russian summer at Kursk. Makes sense to me. Hope that helps.

Cheers,
Vincent

Yes but the July version had a fault in the stitching or the left shoulder and this was subsequently corrected in the August run
 
Scott,

Not to be a contrarian, but I would say some folks actually do buy their miniatures because they are correct, or at least prefer them that way. I'm not saying that these particular figures are correct or incorrect, I wouldn't know. But to just dismiss a valid question doesn't seem so helpful. Moreover, I'm not sure how one would define "little inaccuracies".

Joe

Hi mate, hope you're well!

I get what you're saying bud, but as I stated on another post Andy does not market these figures as 100% historically accurate figures. I love K&C but if I said they always got it right I'd be lying. Probably 80% correct mostly but then again as Poppo stated one can always repaint if it bothers them so much.

Scott
 
Nothing's perfect, but I think at one point they issued the D-Day'ish Wittmann Tiger I with rubber rimmed road wheels, not steel rimmed. That seemed like a big deal to me and I sold mine.
 
Nothing's perfect, but I think at one point they issued the D-Day'ish Wittmann Tiger I with rubber rimmed road wheels, not steel rimmed. That seemed like a big deal to me and I sold mine.

Well my friend, congratulations then!
Andy.
 
I would think if you label a tank as specifically belonging to an individual, it should be pretty well spot on. If you rather label it to a time period and/or theater, you've got a lot more latitude. That being said, some people are more fussy than others as to historical accuracy, which is AOK with me!
 
Nothing's perfect, but I think at one point they issued the D-Day'ish Wittmann Tiger I with rubber rimmed road wheels, not steel rimmed. That seemed like a big deal to me and I sold mine.

I see your point about the (I assume) WS043. It also has no Zimmerit, and it is a bit underscaled to the figures and to K&C's more recent Tigers, which are more accurately proportioned. These are things I noticed rightaway when it came out. But I have to profess my love for the WS043:smile2:. I have always liked it best to this day, despite it's flaws. The crew figures are lovely, the camo is great and I have always just considered it to be a general mid-production 'Normandy' Tiger and it has helped me not to be so uptight about every little detail)).
 
Re: King and Country Micheal Wittmann’s First Tiger I

Thread taking a very critical tone, K & C as with ALL manufacturers have been less than accurate on occasions, will not highlight here. The only people who make no mistakes do nothing, someone once said. The more they release the more chance of errors slipping through, that together with the pressure to release new sets on a monthly basis and no matter how much companies release there is always someone asking for another variant or something else. Simply read through the release threads - WB 88mm gun, J Jenkins - the King Tiger, etc etc.

TS companies are not of any real size, with the majority being micro sized, with no more than 5 staff, next time you get a few minutes, maybe when you are having a brew and looking round your collection, just think of the effort, research and time and expense to release a series of toy soldiers can be. Then doing it on a monthly basis across such a mix of products, producing figures etc for Vietnam one month, together with Napoleonics and Romans, next month Pacific thearte, RAF and Ancients. Doing this month after month to what is an expert customer base on certains conflicts/eras, things will slip through.

K & C have produced a very diverse range and a lot of figures over the past 20+ years, i think they have pushed the TS market forward in leaps and bounds and we, as collectors, are living in the best era [so far] for collecting. In today's TS market the quality is excellent and the eras and ranges available is staggering, without K & C i do not think we would have many of the other players in the market.

I know the above comments might seem hypocritical if you have some of my previous post, especially on WB and the 88mm gun, but that was about the downward spiral of the company and the poor management not the accuracy of the piece.

Cut them some slack, keep it simple - buy it if you like it, do not buy if you do not like it. Mistakes happen, just look around and think a lot of people are mistakes, not planned, they just happened and most of them are OK.
 
Re: King and Country Micheal Wittmann’s First Tiger I

Thread taking a very critical tone, K & C as with ALL manufacturers have been less than accurate on occasions, will not highlight here. The only people who make no mistakes do nothing, someone once said. The more they release the more chance of errors slipping through, that together with the pressure to release new sets on a monthly basis and no matter how much companies release there is always someone asking for another variant or something else. Simply read through the release threads - WB 88mm gun, J Jenkins - the King Tiger, etc etc.

TS companies are not of any real size, with the majority being micro sized, with no more than 5 staff, next time you get a few minutes, maybe when you are having a brew and looking round your collection, just think of the effort, research and time and expense to release a series of toy soldiers can be. Then doing it on a monthly basis across such a mix of products, producing figures etc for Vietnam one month, together with Napoleonics and Romans, next month Pacific thearte, RAF and Ancients. Doing this month after month to what is an expert customer base on certains conflicts/eras, things will slip through.

K & C have produced a very diverse range and a lot of figures over the past 20+ years, i think they have pushed the TS market forward in leaps and bounds and we, as collectors, are living in the best era [so far] for collecting. In today's TS market the quality is excellent and the eras and ranges available is staggering, without K & C i do not think we would have many of the other players in the market.

I know the above comments might seem hypocritical if you have some of my previous post, especially on WB and the 88mm gun, but that was about the downward spiral of the company and the poor management not the accuracy of the piece.

Cut them some slack, keep it simple - buy it if you like it, do not buy if you do not like it. Mistakes happen, just look around and think a lot of people are mistakes, not planned, they just happened and most of them are OK.

I'm not sure if this is in response to my last post, but my point was exactly in defense of not being too critical.
 
Re: King and Country Micheal Wittmann’s First Tiger I

I'm not sure if this is in response to my last post, but my point was exactly in defense of not being too critical.

Hi

No it was not, it was supporting it, just seemed there were people just knocking K & C, i have been critical, but the guy just asked a a question on the uniform and it turned into a, for me, way too critical thread. I just thought an answer on the unform question was all he wanted not a critic of K & C.
 
By the way, if anyone is interested, there is a nice new book called 'Waffen SS Tiger crews at Kursk' out. I've recently purchased it myself and it's pretty good.
Link: Waffen-SS Tiger Crews at Kursk: The Men of SS Panzer Regiments 1, 2, and 3 in Operation Citadel, July 5–15, 1943: MacLean, French L.: 9780764360473: Amazon.com: Books

Cheers,
Vincent

That is a great book, have it myself, people could also look at,

Link: Zitadelle: The German Offensive Against the Kursk Salient 4-17 July 1943: Healy, Mark: 9781862273368: Amazon.com: Books
and
Link: Kursk 1943: Last German Offensive in the East (Casemate Illustrated): Baxter, Ian: 9781612007076: Amazon.com: Books

Both great reads and some nice diograms, maps and colur plates in them. The one above i find way better than Osprey, more detailed and you get more for your money, i have found lately the Osprey books are get very 'thin'. Just bought below, nice content but not much of it.
Allied Tanks in Normandy 1944 (New Vanguard): Zaloga, Steven J., Rodríguez, Felipe: 9781472843241: Amazon.com: Books
 
Nothing's perfect, but I think at one point they issued the D-Day'ish Wittmann Tiger I with rubber rimmed road wheels, not steel rimmed. That seemed like a big deal to me and I sold mine.


Wittmann’s last Tiger I number 007 was hands down a late steel wheeled version. Proof is in the war time photos of his last Tiger when it was destroyed. My question was on the uniform he wore in 1943 at Kursk. The Wittmann figure has a gray jacket with black pants. The crewman has a gray shirt. I bought the model and it is very impressive with the camouflage and markings. I did find a picture of Wittmann with him wearing his officers cap with the gray tunic (jacket) but no date of when the photo was taken. The reference books would have you believe that he should be wearing black once in a tank vs gray of when he was commanding a early Sturmgeschutz.

Thanks friends for your input on this!

Kevin
 

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