King & Country Retired Marketplace (1 Viewer)

[Vezzolf]

Vezzolf:

Why not try to be a little less negitive? In the past we have decided not

to discuss individual sales in a negitive way because the parties involved

might be Forum members.

Why not simply note the sale, and comment... to rich for my blood, or some

other comment that might not insult the parties involved.

When I first brought these auctions to the Forums attention, I was careful

not to insult the seller, I was impressed with the attention a new seller

received however it is clear the items and there presentation spoke for

themselves.

Njja

It has been my experience on this forum that too many times members have encouraged and applauded the inflated prices on e-bay for retired KC items....in order to justify unfair business practices and price gouging by some sellers............I speak boldly and plainly in truth because these influences have a ripple effect on future prices of K/C products....... enough people are gullible enough to insist that "the emperor is wearing new clothes" .........The deception is now reaching new unprecedented levels; if some fool paid $600 for an item then it must be worth at least $400 (see Buy it Now WS43 for $375 on E-bay).........NOT........this is why I tend to respond "negatively" as you say......but it is this members opinion that the unfair pricing and unscrupoulous business practices unchecked and not responded to are negative for this hobby in general ........Thank you Vezzolf

 

[aujj65]

Jeff:

Its all up to the seller, as you can see from these auctions if you have

nice items, photograph them properly you can still attract bidders. If I was

advising a new seller I would say:

#1 have good clear pictures.

#2 have a detailed description.

#3 clearly explain your payment, and shipping information.

#4 package and ship your items promptly

#5 ask for and return feedback.

In very short order you will have positive feedback to add to your reputation.

In the case of this seller we spoke of, at the conclusion of their business they will have a positive feedback that people could look at. It would show rather high valued items recieved in good order from happy customers!

I have completed transactions on E-bay for 9 years now, and would be

more then happy to advise any Forum Members with any questions they

might have such as:

How do I list?

How do I ship?

How do I receive payment?

What do I list my item for?

How best do I list my item?

Any advice I offer is done as a courtsey to Forum Members in the spirit of

Friendship and comes with no charge or expectation on my part.

Njja

Njja.

Thank you for your advice, perhaps one day I will venture onto Ebay and I am sure that when I do I will need some help with the above.

Meanwhile thanks for answering my questions.

Jeff

 

[Njja]

It has been my experience on this forum that too many times members have encouraged and applauded the inflated prices on e-bay for retired KC items....in order to justify unfair business practices and price gouging by some sellers............I speak boldly and plainly in truth because these influences have a ripple effect on future prices of K/C products....... enough people are gullible enough to insist that "the emperor is wearing new clothes" .........The deception is now reaching new unprecedented levels; if some fool paid $600 for an item then it must be worth at least $400 (see Buy it Now WS43 for $375 on E-bay).........NOT........this is why I tend to respond "negatively" as you say......but it is this members opinion that the unfair pricing and unscrupoulous business practices unchecked and not responded to are negative for this hobby in general ........Thank you Vezzolf

Vezzolf:

Why not simply express your views?

Can't you simply say I think this price was too high, and I wouldn't pay it?

Since someone did in fact pay that price, your opinion may be incorrect,

but of course you are entitled to state it.

Calling someone you don't even know a fool.....does a disservice not only to

yourself, but to the innocient person you mock, who might be a fellow Forum

member.

I would simply like you to consider tempering your remarks to offend the

least number of people possible.

Thank You.

Njja

 

[Vezzolf]

Vezzolf:

Why not simply express your views?

Can't you simply say I think this price was too high, and I wouldn't pay it?

Since someone did in fact pay that price, your opinion may be incorrect,

but of course you are entitled to state it.

Calling someone you don't even know a fool.....does a disservice not only to

yourself, but to the innocient person you mock, who might be a fellow Forum

member.

I would simply like you to consider tempering your remarks to offend the

least number of people possible.

Thank You.

Njja

Diplomacy has never been my strongest point.......but I am trying to "wake some people up" to what I believe is price manipulation.....I will try temper my remarks as best I can.....Thank you Vezzolf

 

[Njja]

Diplomacy has never been my strongest point.......but I am trying to "wake some people up" to what I believe is price manipulation.....I will try temper my remarks as best I can.....Thank you Vezzolf

Veezolf:

Hey, thank you! I certainly encourage you to express your views, but

I myself am tired of becoming invloved in heated debates that often get

carried away.

I look forward to reading your opinions, and will be happy to listen to your

point of view.

Njja

 

[noli-poli]

... I sure wanted the Chaffee tank from the Canadian seller but with a ZERO rating & even with PayPAl protection, my MAX amount was in the $250-$300 range. Besides, it had a glued barrel to boot. So, as usual, my Chaffee tank is on its way to Australia rather than Arizona. One of these days I will luck out. Happy Hunting on eBay-just make sure you utilize a good Wingman in the hunt.

Tally Ho,
Beaufighter

Beau:

If still interested on the Chaffee, I have one for $350. Shoot me an e-mail if interested.

I have other retired items which might be of interest to you: M7 Priest w/4crew ($450), Sherman Easy-Eight w/3 crew ($350), Patton Command Car w/ driver, bodyguard and pet dog...and Patton of course ($350). Since we both live in AZ you could save on delivery and insurance.
N-P

 

[Njja]

Beau:

If still interested on the Chaffee, I have one for $350. Shoot me an e-mail if interested.

I have other retired items which might be of interest to you: M7 Priest w/4crew ($450), Sherman Easy-Eight w/3 crew ($350), Patton Command Car w/ driver, bodyguard and pet dog...and Patton of course ($350). Since we both live in AZ you could save on delivery and insurance.
N-P

He is at the West Coast Show, so you might shoot him a private message!

I will also let him know the next time I speak with him!

Njja

 

[noli-poli]

Thanks Njja
NP

 

[OzDigger]

Diplomacy has never been my strongest point.......but I am trying to "wake some people up" to what I believe is price manipulation.....I will try temper my remarks as best I can.....Thank you Vezzolf

I totally agree with your good intentions as you well know. I have seen so many booms and busts in the collectable field that I really feel for the less experienced collectors that are paying so much for retired K & C pieces, some being retired very recently. Auctions being what they are, the keenest bidder wins the prize, and if that bidder is REALLY keen and has the funds, then prices go crazy.

However collectables have Highs and Lows. For example I have noticed retired WW II K & C pieces selling under their original retail price. You just have to learn to let the high ones go, they'll be another along shortly.

I have noticed a few potential firestorms over contentious issues that have died out after the relevant members have cooled down. We all have different viewpoints but I feel it helps to look at both sides when we can and make things a win win situation, like that War of 1812

 

[jazzeum]

Beau:

If still interested on the Chaffee, I have one for $350. Shoot me an e-mail if interested.

I have other retired items which might be of interest to you: M7 Priest w/4crew ($450), Sherman Easy-Eight w/3 crew ($350), Patton Command Car w/ driver, bodyguard and pet dog...and Patton of course ($350). Since we both live in AZ you could save on delivery and insurance.
N-P

Why do I think that Ron is on the phone right now with NP?

 

[jazzeum]

I totally agree with your good intentions as you well know. I have seen so many booms and busts in the collectable field that I really feel for the less experienced collectors that are paying so much for retired K & C pieces, some being retired very recently. Auctions being what they are, the keenest bidder wins the prize, and if that bidder is REALLY keen and has the funds, then prices go crazy.

However collectables have Highs and Lows. For example I have noticed retired WW II K & C pieces selling under their original retail price. You just have to learn to let the high ones go, they'll be another along shortly.

I have noticed a few potential firestorms over contentious issues that have died out after the relevant members have cooled down. We all have different viewpoints but I feel it helps to look at both sides when we can and make things a win win situation, like that War of 1812

Good points all. One of the problems with ebay is that if you get two bidders engaged in a price war, that becomes the new market for the item. Sellers see this and raise their prices accordingly. If bidders refuse to bid, they will have to drop their prices. However, there always seems to be somebody who will buy it at the elevated price. Unfortunately, private non-ebay sellers then start demanding ebay prices. It'a vicious cycle. Good for sellers, bad for buyers.

 

[Vezzolf]

Good points all. One of the problems with ebay is that if you get two bidders engaged in a price war, that becomes the new market for the item. Sellers see this and raise their prices accordingly. If bidders refuse to bid, they will have to drop their prices. However, there always seems to be somebody who will buy it at the elevated price. Unfortunately, private non-ebay sellers then start demanding ebay prices. It'a vicious cycle. Good for sellers, bad for buyers.

Just because two bidders engage in a price war in a "particular"e-bay auction does not automatically establish the new market price for that item......That is only the "inflated" price in that particular auction.....To those sellers who use this as an opportunity to price gouge I say "KEEP IT" NOT ALL BUYERS ARE FOOLS..........If enough buyers use common sense prices WILL DECREASE.....This will be good for buyers and bad for sellers.....regards

 

[OzDigger]

Very true, highs and lows don't set the price, the buyers do, an average price is somewhere in the middle of the high/low range.

 

[Capitolron]

One thing to remember - there is a foreign currency exchange rate that benefits European Buyers over US buyers.

What cost $600 in the USD is only $300 Pounds in the UK - so that should be taken in consideration when you see large dollar sales in US DOLLARS - check to see where the buyer is from and that will probally tell you alot.

Thats my opinion.

 

[Capitolron]

I totally agree with your good intentions as you well know. I have seen so many booms and busts in the collectable field that I really feel for the less experienced collectors that are paying so much for retired K & C pieces, some being retired very recently. Auctions being what they are, the keenest bidder wins the prize, and if that bidder is REALLY keen and has the funds, then prices go crazy.

However collectables have Highs and Lows. For example I have noticed retired WW II K & C pieces selling under their original retail price. You just have to learn to let the high ones go, they'll be another along shortly.

I have noticed a few potential firestorms over contentious issues that have died out after the relevant members have cooled down. We all have different viewpoints but I feel it helps to look at both sides when we can and make things a win win situation, like that War of 1812

Hey Man - I am Cool

 

[Capitolron]

Why do I think that Ron is on the phone right now with NP?

He wont pick up the phone......

 

[boot51]

He wont pick up the phone......

He must have caller ID.

 

[Capitolron]

He must have caller ID.

But, I have MONEY $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[Beaufighter]

A fine Arizona resident will not accept that "NAPPY" cash. You guys are quite the comedians these days!

Beaufighter-OUT

 

[Beaufighter]

I met another illustrious Forum Member today out here in the Southwest desert. Noli "NP" Poli is an interesting & friendly individual. A sincere thank you to Treefrog for providing this venue to enable me & others to have the opportunity to converse electronically/personally and enhance our historical passion. I reached a K&C milestone today as "NP" delivered my beloved Chaffee tank. She is beautiful & I have longed for her for quite some time. I also want to thank NP publically for allowing me to purchase his spare Chaffee at a gentlemanly forum member fee. It was generous & kind of him to help me out with my collection and I am very appreciative. Thank you!

I Salute You,
Beaufighter