Lo1863
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This is going to be one amazing film. Cannot wait!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSAbAuLhqs&feature=plcp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiSAbAuLhqs&feature=plcp
"Lincoln" Trailer (1 Viewer)
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nysoldiers
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Daniel Day Lewis one of the great actors of our time.......a must see!
mikemiller1955
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I concur...
Spielberg with Daniel Day Lewis is gonna be a winner...
thank you for the heads up...I was unaware of this...
Spielberg with Daniel Day Lewis is gonna be a winner...
thank you for the heads up...I was unaware of this...
Lo1863
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No problem! I am glad to inform people of this movie. The trailer just came out today.
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A big yes thanks for the link.
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Jazz, are you sure it's "recent?
"....McTaggart weighed in, "If somebody takes a third of somebody's book, which is what happened to me, they are lifting out the heart and guts of somebody else's individual expression."[19] Goodwin admitted that she had previously reached a large "private settlement" with McTaggart over the issue. She wrote in Time:
Fourteen years ago, not long after the publication of my book The Fitzgeralds and the Kennedys, I received a communication from author Lynne McTaggart pointing out that material from her book on Kathleen Kennedy had not been properly attributed. I realized that she was right. Though my footnotes repeatedly cited Ms. McTaggart's work, I failed to provide quotation marks for phrases that I had taken verbatim, having assumed that these phrases, drawn from my notes, were my words, not hers. I made the corrections she requested, and the matter was completely laid to rest—until last week, when the Weekly Standard published an article reviving the issue. The larger question for those of us who write history is to understand how citation mistakes can happen.[20].."
This quote can be found on Wikipedia and quoted extensively by folks that either like her work of hate her politics.
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I hope she's being more careful. I really like her Lincoln book.
jazzeum
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I did too but one problem with it and some aspects of Lincoln studies -- and I read quite about Lincoln -- is that her book is an exemplar of the "Lincoln can do no wrong" "he's a Saint school."
A book that is more balanced that I recommend is A. Lincoln by Ronald C. White.
A book that is more balanced that I recommend is A. Lincoln by Ronald C. White.
jazzeum
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Brooks Simpson, a Professor of History at Arizona State University and an acknowledged expert in Civil War, had the following to say in his Crossroads blog (highly recommended by the way):
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Now let me tell you why it won’t matter … and why it will matter.
It’s clear that for all of director Steven Spielberg’s talk that this movie is about the man and not the monument, the odds are that it will make the man more interesting and somehow greater than the monument. Recall all of the press Spielberg and Tom Hanks did about the realism of the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan as perhaps too real, too graphic … which simply built up anticipation. That’s what trailers and interviews are supposed to do.
The movie will come out. Some people will deplore it as Lincoln worship (I expect the loudest protests to come from people who will readily d*mn a movie they will never actually see). Other people will celebrate it as a wonderful treatment of Lincoln, where Spielberg makes him come alive as a human being. That will include those historians who have most carefully identified themselves with celebrating Lincoln’s greatness in various forums and in their writings. Other historians will look carefully for flaws, as will those folks who are obsessed with making sure that all the details are in order (the uniforms were off … such-and-such is out of place … there’s a wristwatch, and who’s on that cell phone in the background?).
All of this is predictable and, frankly, a bit boring. So will be the claims of how Spielberg makes history come alive and reaches people in a way no book on Lincoln could ever do (whispers about the ineffectual nature of historical scholarship and the important part that film has played in shaping the popular historical consciousness for nearly a century, especially in the period of the Civil War and Reconstruction era). You know I’m right.
That said, what the movie will do is reignite an interest in Lincoln that did not appear during the bicentennial of his birth back in 2009, when, for all the books, stamps, coins, commemorations, and so on, we learned little about Lincoln that we did not already know, and the whole event seemed rather anticlimatic (I’d argue that it was only with Obama’s election, followed by his willingness to be identified with Lincoln, plus the mantra of “team of rivals” offered with the composition of his cabinet, that people took more than the usual interest in the sixteenth president). In short, like the movie Glory and Ken Burns’s PBS documentary on the Civil War, the movie will serve as a point of departure for a new interest in Lincoln’s life, especially his presidency.
As they say, just watch.
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Now let me tell you why it won’t matter … and why it will matter.
It’s clear that for all of director Steven Spielberg’s talk that this movie is about the man and not the monument, the odds are that it will make the man more interesting and somehow greater than the monument. Recall all of the press Spielberg and Tom Hanks did about the realism of the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan as perhaps too real, too graphic … which simply built up anticipation. That’s what trailers and interviews are supposed to do.
The movie will come out. Some people will deplore it as Lincoln worship (I expect the loudest protests to come from people who will readily d*mn a movie they will never actually see). Other people will celebrate it as a wonderful treatment of Lincoln, where Spielberg makes him come alive as a human being. That will include those historians who have most carefully identified themselves with celebrating Lincoln’s greatness in various forums and in their writings. Other historians will look carefully for flaws, as will those folks who are obsessed with making sure that all the details are in order (the uniforms were off … such-and-such is out of place … there’s a wristwatch, and who’s on that cell phone in the background?).
All of this is predictable and, frankly, a bit boring. So will be the claims of how Spielberg makes history come alive and reaches people in a way no book on Lincoln could ever do (whispers about the ineffectual nature of historical scholarship and the important part that film has played in shaping the popular historical consciousness for nearly a century, especially in the period of the Civil War and Reconstruction era). You know I’m right.
That said, what the movie will do is reignite an interest in Lincoln that did not appear during the bicentennial of his birth back in 2009, when, for all the books, stamps, coins, commemorations, and so on, we learned little about Lincoln that we did not already know, and the whole event seemed rather anticlimatic (I’d argue that it was only with Obama’s election, followed by his willingness to be identified with Lincoln, plus the mantra of “team of rivals” offered with the composition of his cabinet, that people took more than the usual interest in the sixteenth president). In short, like the movie Glory and Ken Burns’s PBS documentary on the Civil War, the movie will serve as a point of departure for a new interest in Lincoln’s life, especially his presidency.
As they say, just watch.
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jazzeum
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Here!s an article about the upcoming movie, http://www.booksnreview.com/article...full-length-preview-dorris-kearns-goodwin.htm
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By the trailer, it looks like another " politically correct" movie with the big lie that Lincoln started the civil war to free the slaves....
It is a pity to waste so much money to please the politically correctness fashion( probably just to make more money) instead of searching to recreate the historical context of those years...
Spielberg already made a fake with " Ryan" film, the superficial " realism" of the film didn' t hide the old prejudices of Hollywood: americans good, heroic fighting with light weapons against the huge tigers ( ridiculous the scene when the americans create mines with socks!!!); and germans heavyly armed, cowards, cruels and unhumanised...
Much better " Gods and generals"...
It is a pity to waste so much money to please the politically correctness fashion( probably just to make more money) instead of searching to recreate the historical context of those years...
Spielberg already made a fake with " Ryan" film, the superficial " realism" of the film didn' t hide the old prejudices of Hollywood: americans good, heroic fighting with light weapons against the huge tigers ( ridiculous the scene when the americans create mines with socks!!!); and germans heavyly armed, cowards, cruels and unhumanised...
Much better " Gods and generals"...
Scott
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A man doing the job he was elected to do...what a villain. He "stayed the course" but took advantage of the "weather gage" when needed.