London blitz. (2 Viewers)

[Uthred]

Been there. Done that. The main problem we had was understanding the teacher, the voices were very muffled through those masks, and they tended to fog up. We were told to cut a potatoe in half and rub it on the inside of the eyepiece to avoid fogging, but it didn't help very much. One kid used a cooked potatoe and couldn't see a thing! It didn't help if you were claustrophobic, something not really understood then. But that was all part of life in those days, as kids we knew nothing about life pre war. to us war was the norm. And, to a child, it was simple, the Germans were trying to kill us, we had to kill them first, all of them. A simplicity the bleeding heart revisionists of today cannot understand.

Oh, please, I am a bleeding heart, I like children to be far away from wars, but I am not a revisionist!


These two words have two complete different meanings, you know? I don't care about revisionism: Hitler and the nazis were evil and they had to go. I'm glad they did.

But I still don't like the idea of bombing cities, killing children, torturing, genocide, holocaust, stuff like that...

Uthred

 

[Panzer ace]

That's not true. The people who lived in the Sahara were as much victims of the war as the people living in Europe or Asia. One could argue less civilians were involved, since the Sahara has a smaller population than Europe or Asia, but that does not mean the war was any easier on them.

Just my two cents on the subject...

Uthred

Wow, this forum is tough, I need to start quantizing my remarks before I reply. I should check and see if the library staff in our office can fact check my posts before I finalize them? With that being said here is my amended entry:

Judging by most estimates (emphasis added) of civilian deaths in the theaters of World War 2 given the choice of being a civilian in Berlin in 1945, or Afrika in 1942, I would take Afrika. The mathematic odds of being a civilian and dying were infinitely higher in Berlin than the middle of the desert. It should be noted that the civilian death approximation includes many inaccuracies, i.e. the missing sometimes being included in the list of the dead, however, even taking these and other anomalies into account, it still appears that being in the desert was safer than being in a city.

 

[trooper]

Oh, please, I am a bleeding heart, I like children to be far away from wars, but I am not a revisionist!


These two words have two complete different meanings, you know? I don't care about revisionism: Hitler and the nazis were evil and they had to go. I'm glad they did.

But I still don't like the idea of bombing cities, killing children, torturing, genocide, holocaust, stuff like that...

Uthred

That comment was not directed at you, Uthred, but at the silly interviewer that recently appeared on TV interviewing veterans and badgering them with comments about how they should have felt about bombing Germany and killing civilians. I agree with you that war is bad, but my point was that my generations earliest memories are of the war, for us it was normal as we knew nothing else. And as children we had the rationality of children. everything was black and white, there was no shades of grey. We were being bombed day and night and we wanted payback. In a strange way we understood the concept of total war before our parents did. I should have made my comments about revisionists clearer, and I apologise if you felt they were directed at you. As a final note on how we were influenced by the war I was convinced for quite some time that the stars at night were in fact holes in the sky caused by the guns. At the time it seemed logical.

 

[Uthred]

Wow, this forum is tough, I need to start quantizing my remarks before I reply. I should check and see if the library staff in our office can fact check my posts before I finalize them? With that being said here is my amended entry:

Judging by most estimates (emphasis added) of civilian deaths in the theaters of World War 2 given the choice of being a civilian in Berlin in 1945, or Afrika in 1942, I would take Afrika. The mathematic odds of being a civilian and dying were infinitely higher in Berlin than the middle of the desert. It should be noted that the civilian death approximation includes many inaccuracies, i.e. the missing sometimes being included in the list of the dead, however, even taking these and other anomalies into account, it still appears that being in the desert was safer than being in a city.

I am sorry but I think being shot at or having bombs dropped on your head is bad, no matter what are your odds of being hit. Of course there were more victims in Berlin than in the middle of the Sahara, but that's not because they used blanks in the desert war, simply because less people lived there!

Cheers...

Uthred

 

[Uthred]

That comment was not directed at you, Uthred, but at the silly interviewer that recently appeared on TV interviewing veterans and badgering them with comments about how they should have felt about bombing Germany and killing civilians. I agree with you that war is bad, but my point was that my generations earliest memories are of the war, for us it was normal as we knew nothing else. And as children we had the rationality of children. everything was black and white, there was no shades of grey. We were being bombed day and night and we wanted payback. In a strange way we understood the concept of total war before our parents did. I should have made my comments about revisionists clearer, and I apologise if you felt they were directed at you. As a final note on how we were influenced by the war I was convinced for quite some time that the stars at night were in fact holes in the sky caused by the guns. At the time it seemed logical.

No offense taken, trooper. Some reporters can really make silly questions.


Cheers...

Uthred

 

[Rob]

Hey Simmo,i'm thinking we have been drifting from your original thread (sorry mate)so i'll steer it back again!.

I'd love to see a scene from 'Danger UXB',an unexploded Bomb in a crater,fenced off with an officer listening to the bomb with a stethoscope

Rob

 

[RAMC]

As Andy has said he is moving away from Dunkirk to the Battle of Britain,how about a slight spin on your idea.How about one of those motor boats that picked up RAF and Luftwaffe pilots that landed in the drink?.It could be rescuing a downed HE111 crew

Will you be at the show next month mate?

Rob[/QUOTE]

If we are thinking along those lines how about one of those self contained rescue floats shaped like a conning tower. I can't think of the official designation.
I have scene plans in Fly Past and other magazines and they've appeared movies.

 

[Kurt]

WWII civilians could be successful, but in my opinion not without a good selection of building facades. So, I'd prefer K&C first come out with a new "Normandy Village" or "European Village" series.

 

[Uthred]

WWII civilians could be successful, but in my opinion not without a good selection of building facades. So, I'd prefer K&C first come out with a new "Normandy Village" or "European Village" series.

I'd buy a Norman church if only it were not post D-Day and all in ruins.


I hope K&C makes a Norman village with a beatiful church, or, even better, a church facade!


Cheers...

Uthred

 

[amhuff1]

I always thought a range of civilians would sell. Most dioramas involving an urban theme should have some civilians in it.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I always thought a range of civilians would sell. Most dioramas involving an urban theme should have some civilians in it.

I have several of the Figarti buildings and they all came with a civilian figure. They really add to the street scene as they stand there watching allied or axis troops going by. I can use them with my K&C Normandy Village buildings which they go very well with.

Terry

 

[amhuff1]

I have several of the Figarti buildings and they all came with a civilian figure. They really add to the street scene as they stand there watching allied or axis troops going by. I can use them with my K&C Normandy Village buildings which they go very well with.

Terry

How do the Figarti buildings & civilians look with K&C soldiers and tanks. I have thought about getting some of the buildings but haven't yet. I was hoping to see them in person first but no one locally seems to carry them.

Thanks
Andy

 

[Phantom Warrior]

How do the Figarti buildings & civilians look with K&C soldiers and tanks. I have thought about getting some of the buildings but haven't yet. I was hoping to see them in person first but no one locally seems to carry them.

Thanks
Andy

They look good. I will put up a photo tomorrow.

Terry

 

[Phantom Warrior]

They look good. I will put up a photo tomorrow.

Terry

Here is a photo with a Figarti building (1/30) and slightly bigger than the 1/30 K&C Berlin Tenement (not shown); a burned out Build-a-rama (1/32); and a K&C Normandy Village restaurant building (1/30 ?). All of the soldiers are recent K&C so they should all be 1/30. All of the civilians are Figarti 1/30.

I can do another tomorrow with some tanks in the photo to compare to the buildings if you want.

Terry

 

[OzDigger]

Terry, thanks for the pics, you sure have some cool buildings and I look forward to seeing some more photos.