Losses of Soviet and German armored vehicles in 1943. Kursk Bulge (7 Viewers)

[Rutledge]

Once again about the Kursk Bulge Battle.The German Army before the beginning of the Kursk Bulge Battle had:Just before the beggining of the Battle of Kursk, the German tank divisions participating in the offensive had a total of 2173 tanks of all modifications.This tank forces were iincluding flamethrower tanks (41), commander tanks (119) and light tanks (119) plus there were at least 90 Tigers and 200 Panthers The infantry divisions had at least 1000 assault self-propelled guns. All these tanks and assault self-propelled guns in terms of combat qualities were vastly exceeded the Soviet tanks and self-propelled guns. Especially the heavy Tigers, Panthers and the long-barrel modifications of the Pz IV. They could destroy the medium T 34 tanks from a distance of 1000m to 2000m. On the other side the Soviet 76mm anti-tank artillery could reliably destroy the German tanks of the latest modifications from a distance no more than 400m or even less.So to make it short the reliably distance of an armour penetration the opposing tanks for the T-34 was at least twice less then for the German tanks.The Red Army before the beginning of the Kursk Bulge Battle had:Central Front (2nd Tank Army, 129th Tank Brigade, separate tank regiments (five), 9th Tank Corps, 13th, 70th, 60th and 65th Armies):KV-1 heavy tanks - 70 tanksMedium tanks T 34 and M3 "General Lee" - 864 tanksT 70 and T 60 light tanks - 647 tanksIn addition there were SU-152 - 25 pieces, SU-122 - 32 pieces and 34 SU-76 - 34 pieces.Voronezh Front. (1st Tank Army, 10th Tank Corps, 5th Guards Tank Corps, 86th, 180th and 190th Separate Tank Brigades, 3 Separate Tank Regiments, Two Separate Breakthrough Tank Regiments and the 1461st Self-Propelled artillery regiment.)KV-1 - 105 heavy tanksMedium tanks T-34 - 1109 tanksLight T-70 and T-60 - 463 tanks 24 SU-122 - 24 pcs and SU-76 - 33 pcs.Please note: The Army reserve - the 5th Guards Tank Army (about 450 tanks), what were in the counterattack near Prokhorovka.Thus, we can see that by the beginning of the Battle of Kursk USSR troops had no noticeable superiority in tanks - neither quantity, nor quality. German - 3173 tanks and assault self-propelled guns. Red Army - 3406 tanks and self-propelled guns plus 450 tanks reserve.The epic “wall to wall” battle on July 12 near Prokhorovka in reality was a series of counter-battles separated in time at a front 32–35 km long. This situation arose as a result of almost simultaneous offensive operations on both sides. The Germans made the first move - on June 11, they struck in the direction of Prokhorovka and Oboyan, partially disrupting the preparation of the Red Army counteroffensive.5th Guards the tank army, operating in a 17–19 km long band, together with attached units at the beginning of the battle, numbered from 680 to 720 tanks and self-propelled guns, and the advancing German group was up to 540 tanks and self-propelled guns. The Rotmistrov’s tank army (5th Guards Tank Army) lost up to 60% of its tanks in the tank battles on July 12. The Red Army counteroffensive failed but the Germans did not achieve their goals either.In view of the fact that the actions of the 5th Guards Tank Army disrupted the German attack on Kursk, these operations were later considered successful. Western historians repeat that German troops retreated from the Kursk Bulge only because they had to be transferred to Italy due the Allies landing in Sicily. The landing in Sicily took place at about the same time - from July 9 to August 17. The 16th panzer division, the 26th panzer divisions and the “German Goering” division, fought with the Allies in Italy in September 1943. These panzer divisions did not participate in the Battle of Kursk and weren’t on the Eastern Front (16th panzer division was formed again).Hitler did not transfer any troops “from Kursk” to Italy.That is a myth. (regards to Mirof)Cheers.Tank

Meanwhile, 50 years later, the “mighty” Russian military was chased out of Afghanistan with its tail between its legs, in shame and disgrace, driven out by a rag tag army of goat herders working part time as Mujahideen. A pathetic display exhibiting an utter lack of military prowess by the USSR, ultimately resulting in its collapse as a failed nation state. What an embarrassing humiliation, as well as indictment, of a corrupt, cowardly and incompetent Russian culture. Note: America enjoyed supplying stinger missiles to help out the Afghan peasant army. At least 333 Russian helicopters and 118 jets were destroyed by a guerrilla force that essentially had no Air power. Can you imagine if they did? Good lord, what a slaughter it would have been. One almost feels sorry for the Russian conscripts sent in to Afghanistan as so much cannon fodder. But, as in WWII, Russian generals don’t give two ***** about their own casualty counts. “Cheers” Tank! lol

 

[Rutledge]

Oh, a partial list of all Russian aircraft downed in Afghanistan is available here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_aircraft_losses_during_the_Soviet–Afghan_War

if you disagree Tank, please prove it.

Cheers!

 

[tank]

Oh, a partial list of all Russian aircraft downed in Afghanistan is available here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_aircraft_losses_during_the_Soviet–Afghan_War

if you disagree Tank, please prove it.

Cheers!

Meanwhile, 50 years later, the “mighty” Russian military was chased out of Afghanistan with its tail between its legs, in shame and disgrace, driven out by a rag tag army of goat herders working part time as Mujahideen. A pathetic display exhibiting an utter lack of military prowess by the USSR, ultimately resulting in its collapse as a failed nation state. What an embarrassing humiliation, as well as indictment, of a corrupt, cowardly and incompetent Russian culture. Note: America enjoyed supplying stinger missiles to help out the Afghan peasant army. At least 333 Russian helicopters and 118 jets were destroyed by a guerrilla force that essentially had no Air power. Can you imagine if they did? Good lord, what a slaughter it would have been. One almost feels sorry for the Russian conscripts sent in to Afghanistan as so much cannon fodder. But, as in WWII, Russian generals don’t give two ***** about their own casualty counts. “Cheers” Tank! lol

Hi Rutledge.

Your post obviously doesn’t belong to this theme but anyway...


Afghanistan War (1979—1989)


Durring a 10 years Afghan war some 546 thousand Soviet troops were involved into the combat operations.
The losses of the USSR in Afghanistan were:
15 052 dead.
53,753 wounded
417 missing

List of losses of aircraft of the USSR Air Force in the Afghan war.

According to published data, during the Afghan war (1979-1989), the loss of Soviet aviation (almost exclusively the USSR Air Force) amounted to 118 aircraft [7]. At the same time, some sources give slightly different figures, for example, 103 [8] or 109 aircraft [9]. The ambiguity is largely due to the lack of detailed loss statistics, in particular, the layout by type of aircraft. This list has been compiled from open sources and does not purport to be exhaustive.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_потерь_самолётов_ВВС_СССР_в_Афганской_войне

List of losses of Soviet helicopters in the Afghan war.

According to generally accepted data, during the Afghan war of 1979-1989. Soviet aviation lost 332 or 333 helicopters [1] [2]. These figures refer to the Air Force of the 40th Army and do not include losses of aviation of the border troops and the Central Asian military district, as well as Soviet-made helicopters from the aviation of the ground forces of the DRA and other national ministries and departments (which are also referred to in the foreign press as “Soviet "). [3] Given that the aviation of the border troops lost 62 helicopters [4], the total losses of Soviet helicopters reach 400 units.
This list is based on open sources and is not complete.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_потерь_советских_вертолётов_в_Афганской_войне


The Commander of the 40th Army in Afghanistan General Gromov notes, “our losses in Afghanistan were four times less than the Americans losses in Vietnam, but I don’t think that would make it easier for mothers, widows and children of those who had been killed”.




List of losses of aircraft and helicopters of USA and the International Coalition in Afghanistan ( 2001 - Present days )

This list lists the planes and helicopters of the international coalition lost during the operation in Afghanistan after 2001. Only irretrievable losses (i.e. aircraft that were completely destroyed or decommissioned due to the impossibility of repair) are given, both combat and non-combat. The list is compiled from open sources and does not purport to be complete; in particular, it does not indicate aircraft that made an emergency landing due to technical reasons or because of combat damage and cannot be reliably identified as destroyed or decommissioned due to the lack of more detailed information.

USA and the International Coalition aviation lost 40 aircraft and 106 helicopters.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_авиационных_потерь_международной_коалиции_в_Афганистане


Vietnam War (1955 -1975)


58,318 Americans died in the clashes and another 303,644 were wounded. In total, approximately 2.5 million troops passed through Vietnam. Thus, every tenth was killed or wounded.

• 
  United States
  58,318 dead[SUP][38][/SUP] (1/5 non-combat deaths)[SUP][39][/SUP]
  303,644 wounded (including 150,341 not requiring hospital care)[SUP][A 3][/SUP]
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  Laos 15,000 army dead[SUP][44][/SUP]
• 
  Khmer Republic Unknown
• 
  South Korea 5,099 dead; 10,962 wounded; 4 missing
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  Australia 521 dead; 3,129 wounded[SUP][45][/SUP]
• 
  Thailand 351 dead[SUP][17][/SUP][SUP]:[/SUP]
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  New Zealand 37 dead[SUP][46][/SUP]
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  Taiwan 25 dead[SUP][47][/SUP]
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  Philippines 9 dead;[SUP][48][/SUP] 64 wounded[SUP][49][/SUP]

List of aircraft losses of the Vietnam War


The USA Air Force lost more than 5 thousand helicopters. That is 3 helicopters a day.
In total, the United States military lost in Vietnam almost 10,000 aircraft, helicopters and UAVs (3,744 planes[SUP][3][/SUP], 5,607 helicopters[SUP][2][/SUP] and 578 UAVs[SUP][4][/SUP] ).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aircraft_losses_of_the_Vietnam_War


But, as in WWII, American generals don’t give two ***** about their own casualty counts. “Cheers” Rutledge! lol.

Kind Regards.
Tank.

 

[tank]

Do you know about the Battle of the Hürtgen Forest?

That is really sad but durring the WWII the American generals actually didn’t give two ***** about their own casualty counts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAmJUyHloTk

 

[Rutledge]

Good grief Tank. Regurgitating old Soviet propaganda is hardly a defensible way to make an argument. Consider these facts and figs:
[h=2]1979[edit][/h]

• 25 December 1979 – An Il-76 heavy transport plane crashed into a mountain near the village of Kanzak (Northeast of Kabul) after being damaged by anti-aircraft artillery fire. Its pilot, 37 paratroopers and nine troops from unknown units were killed upon impact, leaving no survivors. Two vehicles in cargo, including a fuel truck, were also destroyed.[SUP][2][/SUP]

[h=2]1980[edit][/h]

• 9 January 1980 – Mi-8 was shot down using DShK, all crew members survived.[SUP][3][/SUP]
• 7 February 1980 – An-12 transport aircraft crashed on the outskirts of Kabul, killing its pilot.
• 13 February 1980 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was badly damaged by ground fire, and crashed in a botched emergency landing.
• 23 February 1980 – An Mi-8TV Border guard helicopter was shot down, killing one passenger.
• 7 March 1980 – An Mi-8 crashed due to a technical malfunction, killing all crew members.[SUP][3][/SUP]
• 7 March 1980 – An Mi-6 was shot down in Kush mountains.[SUP][3][/SUP]
• 10 March 1980 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter crashed due to technical difficulties near the village of Kochek Qizil (Southwest of Mazari Sharif), killing two crew members.
• 23 March 1980 – Su-17 fighter-bomber crashed due to either technical problems or poor weather conditions, killing its pilot.
• 24 March 1980 – An Mi-8 crashed due to pilots error, killing three people.[SUP][3][/SUP]
• 30 March 1980 – An Mi-8 was shot down with DShK, all on board survived.[SUP][3][/SUP]
• 30 March 1980 – An Mi-24D crashed due to technical failure, crew survived.[SUP][3][/SUP]
• 9 April 1980 – An Mi-8T transport helicopter, crashed due to either technical problems or poor weather conditions, killing two crew members.
• 11 April 1980 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down near the remote village of Shindand, killing two crew members.
• 24 April 1980 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 12 June 1980 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 1 July 1980 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 5 July 1980 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 20 July 1980 – An Mi-10 heavy transport helicopter was shot down, killing three crew members.
• 23 July 1980 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down, killing two crew members.
• 23 July 1980 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 1 August 1980 – A MiG-21 aircraft was shot down. Pilot was killed.
• 25 August 1980 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 6 September 1980 – An unidentified aircraft crashed due to either technical problems or bad weather, killing one crew member.
• 18 October 1980 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 12 December 1980 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.

[h=2]1981[edit][/h]

• 17 April 1981 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 15 June 1981 – A MiG-21 aircraft was shot down. One crewman, Mikhail Korchinsky, was killed. The other crewman, Yuri Moscowchuk, was captured, becoming the first Soviet air force pilot to be a prisoner of war.
• 24 July 1981 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing four crew members.
• 5 September 1981 – An Mi-8T transport helicopter was shot down, killing four crew members.
• 10 October 1981 – An Mi-8MT transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 17 October 1981 – An Mi-8T Border Guard helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 28 October 1981 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down, killing three crew members.
• 13 November 1981 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 18 November 1981 – An Mi-8MT transport helicopter was shot down, killing two crew members.

 

[Rutledge]

[h=2]1982[edit][/h]

• 10 March 1982 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one crew member.
• 15 April 1982 – An unidentified aircraft was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 17 May 1982 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one crew member.
• 27 May 1982 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 27 May 1982 – A MiG-21 aircraft was shot down.
• ? June 1982 – A MiG-21 aircraft was shot down.
• 13 June 1982 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down near the village of Taghaz (245 km to the Southwest of Kandahar), killing two crew members.
• 10 July 1982 – An unidentified aircraft was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 6 August 1982 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 13 August 1982 – A MiG-21 aircraft was shot down. Pilot was killed
• 18 August 1982 – A MiG-21 aircraft was shot down.
• 23 August 1982 – An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 11 September 1982 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 7 October 1982 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 11 October 1982 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 12 October 1982 – An unidentified helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 24 October 1982 – A MiG-21 aircraft was shot down.
• 30 October 1982 – An unidentified helicopter was shot down, killing three crew members.
• 4 December 1982 – A Su-17 aircraft was shot down. Both crewmen were killed

[h=2]1983[edit][/h]

• 4 January 1983 – An unidentified helicopter was shot down near the village of Kholm (East of Mazari Sharif), killing one crew member.
• 15 February 1983 – An An-12 was shot down while on approach to Jalalabad. The five crew members were killed.[SUP][4][/SUP]
• 22 February 1983 – An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 5 June 1983 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing two crew members.
• 19 July 1983 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 24 July 1983 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down near Jalalabad, killing two crew members.
• 7 August 1983 – An unidentified helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 9 September 1983 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down 120 km South of Faizabad, killing one crew member.
• 16 September 1983 – An Antonov An-12 transport plane was shot down, killing four crew members.
• 3 October 1983 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 18 October 1983 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down near the Kajaki reservoir (Helmand province), killing two crew members.
• 21 October 1983 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 25 October 1983 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one crew member.
• 29 October 1983 – A MiG-21 aircraft was shot down.
• 15 November 1983 – An Mi-6 heavy transport missed the Soviet landing strip near the town of Kunduz and crashed due to a faulty tail rotor. Two crew members were killed.

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[h=2]1984[edit][/h]

• 16 January 1984 – A Su-25 strike jet was shot down, killing its pilot.
• 6 March 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 2 April 1984 – An unidentified helicopter crashed either due to bad weather or a technical failure. One crew member was killed.
• ? May 1984 – 4 MiG-21 Aircraft were destroyed on the ground.
• 9 May 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 5 June 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 6 June 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 2 July 1984 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 3 July 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 5 July 1984 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one crew member.
• 6 July 1984 – An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down on approach to its base (while returning from a mission). All three crew members were killed. It is possible that this helicopter was captured by Afghan guerrillas.
• 14 July 1984 – An unidentified helicopter crashed. One crew member was killed.
• ? August 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 6 August 1984 – An unidentified helicopter was shot down. One crew member was killed.
• 23 August 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 27 August 1984 – An unidentified helicopter was shot down. One crew member was killed.
• 19 September 1984 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing all three crew members in addition to a unit of paratroopers.
• 23 September 1984 – An unidentified helicopter crashed. One crew member was killed.
• 16 October 1984 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down while landing a group of soldiers near the town of Baghlan. All three crew members and four disembarking troops were killed.
• 18 October 1984 – A Su-25 strike jet was shot down, killing its pilot.
• 18 October 1984 – An unidentified helicopter (probably a Mi-24) was shot down, killing two crew members.
• 27 October 1984 – An Il-76 heavy transport plane was shot down during landing, 20 km to the South East of Kabul. Five were killed.[SUP][5][/SUP]
• 28 October 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down in the Panshir Valley, killing two crew members.
• 8 November 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 27 November 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 1 December 1984 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 10 December 1984 – An Su-25 strike jet was shot down.

 

[Rutledge]

[h=2]1985[edit][/h]

• 22 January 1985 – An An-26 transport plane was shot down, killing one.
• 29 January 1985 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down shortly after taking off from Kandahar, en route to Kabul, killing one crew member.
• 13 February 1985 – An Su-25 strike jet was shot down, killing its pilot.
• 11 March 1985 – An An-30 transport plane was struck in the left engine by ground fire, causing a fire that began to spread. All non-essential crew members bailed out, while the pilot and co-pilot remained, hoping to land the aircraft at Bagram Airport (near Kabul). The aircraft crashed 25 km from Kabul after the fire destroyed the aileron controls, and both were killed.
• 14 March 1985 – An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter collided with a Soviet Air Force reconnaissance plane, killing three.
• 20 March 1985 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down while transporting troops from Ghazni to Baraki(?). All five aboard were killed.
• 24 March 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 27 April 1985 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down 7 km away from its destination of Lashkargah while transporting troops. Three were killed.
• 11 May 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 18 May 1985 – An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down near the remote village of Bakarak, killing one.
• 1 June 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 18 June 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 21 June 1985 – A MiG-23 fighter jet was shot down, killing its pilot.
• 21 June 1985 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one.
• 27 June 1985 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter shot down, possibly with several troops on board. All those aboard were killed.
• 10 July 1985 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing one.
• 16 July 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 11 July 1985 – An unidentified ‘special missions’ aircraft was shot down, killing five.
• 22 July 1985 – A Su-25 strike jet was shot down.
• 23 July 1985 – A MiG-23 fighter jet was shot down.
• 25 July 1985 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
• 16 August 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 19 August 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 17 September 1985 – An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was attacked on the ground, killing one.
• 21 September 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 24 September 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 3 October 1985 – An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down.
• 12 October 1985 – An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down 23 km South of Kabul, killing two.
• 13 October 1985 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
• 18 October 1985 – An unidentified aircraft was shot down, killing one.
• 25 October 1985 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down 20 km to the Northwest of Kunduz, killing nine crew members and paratroopers.
• 1 November 1985 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one.
• 7 November 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 15 November 1985 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 24 November 1985 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
• 6 December 1985 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter shot down while transporting troops, killing seven.
• 16 December 1985 – A Su-17 aircraft was shot down.
• 27 December 1985 – A MiG-23 fighter jet was shot down.

[h=2]1986[edit][/h]

• 13 January 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 18 January 1986 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
• 19 January 1986 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing all crew members and paratroopers aboard.
• 1 February 1986 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down West of Maymaneh, killing one.
• 21 February 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 5 March 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 3 April 1986 – An Su-17 aircraft was shot down.
• 6 April 1986 – An Su-25 strike jet was shot down, pilot Alexander Rutskoy safely ejects.
• 18 April 1986 – An Su-25 strike jet was shot down.
• 21 April 1986 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing two.
• 2 May 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 17 May 1986 – An Su-17 aircraft was shot down.
• 24 May 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 26 May 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 31 May 1986 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down over Kabul airbase, killing two instantly while another died of his wounds six days later.
• 3 June 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 15 July 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 31 July 1986 – Two Mi-8 medevac helicopters collided near Pagman, killing some of the injured passengers.
• 22 September 1986 – An Su-17 aircraft was shot down.
• 25 September 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• September 1986 was the month that the FIM-92 Stinger missile was introduced by the CIA and Zia ul-Haq of Pakistan into the war.[SUP][6][/SUP]
• 16 October 1986 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing two.
• 19 October 1986 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing one.
• 22 October 1986 – An Su-17 aircraft was shot down.
• 20 November 1986 – An Su-25 strike jet was shot down.
• 29 November 1986 – An An-12 transport plane was shot down while leaving Kabul Airbase en route to Jalalabad, transporting a contingent of newly arrived Russian troops. All crew members (4–5) and all 27 passengers were killed.
• 29 November 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 29 November 1986 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 3 December 1986 – An Su-25 strike jet was shot down.
• 3 December 1986 – An Su-25 strike jet was shot down.
• 26 December 1986 – An An-26RT transport plane was shot down. All crew members bailed out, except the mechanic, who was killed either by the missile or in the crash.

 

[Rutledge]

[h=2]1987[edit][/h]

• 12 January 1987 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 13 January 1987 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
• 21 January 1987 – An Su-25 strike jet was shot down.
• 21 January 1987 – An unidentified aircraft crashed due to either technical problems or bad weather, killing one.
• 28 January 1987 – An Su-25 strike jet was shot down.
• 5 February 1987 – An unidentified aircraft was shot down, killing one.
• 27 February 1987 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 4 March 1987 – Two Mi-8 transport helicopters were shot down while searching for the pilots from the two Afghan Su-22s that had been downed earlier in the day. Both crews were killed. (Two escorting Mi-24s had been delayed)
• 23 March 1987 – An Mi-6 heavy transport helicopter was shot down, killing two.
• 12 April 1987 – An Su-17 aircraft was shot down. This was the first Su-17 shot down by a FIM-92 Stingermissile.
• 15 April 1987 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
• 16 April 1987 – A MiG-23 fighter jet was shot down.
• 21 April 1987 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 21 April 1987 – All crew members and 18 paratroopers when an Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down 120 km north of Kandahar.
• 7 May 1987 – Mi-8 transport helicopter crashed due to technical reasons or bad weather, killing four.
• 18 May 1987 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing two.
• 31 May 1987 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 1 June 1987 – An Su-25 strike jet was shot down.
• 4 June 1987 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 5 June 1987 – An Mi-8 Medevac helicopter carrying one wounded individual was shot down North of Kandahar, killing one.
• 9 June 1987 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 19 June 1987 – An Su-17 aircraft was shot down.
• 24 June 1987 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
• 1 July 1987 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 12 July 1987 – An-12 delivering ammunition was hit by ground fire while landing at Kandahar airbase, killing four crew members and one person on the ground.
• 15 July 1987 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 20 July 1987 – An Su-22 was shot down near Ghazni, killing one.
• 1 August 1987 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
• 13 September 1987 – An-26 transport plane was shot down, killing one.
• 13 September 1987 – An Su-22 strike jet was shot down, killing one.
• 29 September 1987 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down, killing two.
• 21 October 1987 – An An-12 collided with an unidentified helicopter over Kabul Airbase due to the ground controller's error in clearing the helicopter for landing. All involved were killed, including 18 passengers aboard the An-12 who were en route to Tashkent.
• 22 October 1987 – An An-26 transport plane was shot down, killing eight.
• 27 October 1987 – An Su-17 aircraft was shot down.
• 30 October 1987 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing two.
• 23 December 1987 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one.

[h=2]1988[edit][/h]

• 17 January 1988 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing four.
• 6 February 1988 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter on a search and rescue mission was shot down with several rescued personnel aboard, killing two and wounding 6.
• 16 February 1988 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing one.
• 26 February 1988 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing one.
• 29 February 1988 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter shot down 10 km Southeast of Bagram, killing one.
• 18 April 1988 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 20 April 1988 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 25 May 1988 – An unidentified aircraft crashed, killing one.
• 23 June 1988 – 8 Su-25 strike jets were destroyed on the ground.
• ? June 1988 – 1 Su-25 strike jet was destroyed on the ground.
• 18 July 1988 – An unidentified helicopter (possibly a Mi-8) was shot down, killing one.
• 4 August 1988 – A Su-25 strike jet was shot down by a Pakistani F-16, pilot Alexander Rutskoy safely ejects.
• 21 August 1988 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter shot down, killing its two-member crew.
• 27 August 1988 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down.
• 4 September 1988 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing one.
• 30 September 1988 – An Mi-24 attack helicopter was shot down, killing two.
• 1 October 1988 – An Mi-8 transport was helicopter shot down, killing one.

[h=2]1989[edit][/h]

• 7 January 1989 – A Su-25 strike jet was shot down, killing its pilot.
• 19 January 1989 – An Mi-8 transport helicopter was shot down, killing five.
• 2 February 1989 – An Mi-24 assault helicopter was shot down, killing both crew members.
• 6 March 1989 – An Antonov was struck by a rocket killing two.[SUP][7][/SUP]

 

[Rutledge]

Surely these dates places and other details are sufficient as proof of the validity of my data. Meanwhile you spew out general statements without factual support by generals and other party officials who are notoriously dishonest, corrupt and just plain full of ****. Everyone knows the Russians are by far the biggest liars and (non) truth fabricators the world has ever known. Heck, your folks taught your good buddy Kim Jung Un everything he knows about running a massive surveillance state where truth is as elusive as a warm day in February in Moscow.

 

[Rutledge]

Oh yeah, tank,

Cheers! And of course, my kindest regards.

Rutledge

 

[Rutledge]

All told, the U.S. Air Force flew 5.25 million sorties over South Vietnam, North Vietnam, northern and southern Laos, and Cambodia, losing 2,251 aircraft: 1,737 to hostile action, and 514 in accidents. 2,197 of the losses were fixed-wing, and the remainder rotary-wing. The USAF sustained approximately 0.4 losses per 1,000 sorties during the conflict, which compared favorably with a 2.0 rate in Korea and a 9.7 figure during World War II.[SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP][SUP]:268

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[Rutledge]

And in Vietnam we were fight8ng against an organized military that was well armed by China and Russia, and had an Air Force.

The poor Afghans fought in rags, were relatively poorly armed and yet inflicted severe casualties among the significantly better armored and, in theory, trained Soviet forces. The Afghans did not have an Air Force, not much AA, and yet hundreds of Soviet flying vehicles were downed.

 

[tank]

Surely these dates places and other details are sufficient as proof of the validity of my data. Meanwhile you spew out general statements without factual support by generals and other party officials who are notoriously dishonest, corrupt and just plain full of ****. Everyone knows the Russians are by far the biggest liars and (non) truth fabricators the world has ever known. Heck, your folks taught your good buddy Kim Jung Un everything he knows about running a massive surveillance state where truth is as elusive as a warm day in February in Moscow.

Bloody Russian! They are everywhere. ^&grin ^&grin ^&grin


In the USA, the ABC channel aired the footage of 2015, made at the shooting range in Kentucky, to show the fighting in Syria



http://www.yapfiles.ru/show/2263358/68ed7ccd4ae0ed4434649109c0a9d74a.mp4.html



CNN News Faking A News Report During The 1990 Gulf War

https://twitter.com/PolishPatriotTM/status/1040908707234807810


Wake up man! You have been tricked.

Cheers.
Tank.

 

[The Military Workshop]

Forget WW2 and Afghanistan ! Let's get serious.

We all know that after the Communists took over that makes Russians the bad guys. How about pre WW1?

What I want to know is have the Russians ever made a decent cavalry charge ? The Brits showed how it was done with style and courage in The Charge of the Light Brigade during the Crimean War. Not only that they backed it up with a great poem and artworks. Then there is the Scots Greys at Waterloo and the Lancers at Omdurman. Then of course there is the Lighthorse at Beersheba.

Or is Tank only interested in Communist history ?

 

[tank]

Forget WW2 and Afghanistan ! Let's get serious.

We all know that after the Communists took over that makes Russians the bad guys. How about pre WW1?

What I want to know is have the Russians ever made a decent cavalry charge ? The Brits showed how it was done with style and courage in The Charge of the Light Brigade during the Crimean War. Not only that they backed it up with a great poem and artworks. Then there is the Scots Greys at Waterloo and the Lancers at Omdurman. Then of course there is the Lighthorse at Beersheba.

Or is Tank only interested in Communist history ?

Hi there.




I don’t care about politics. I’m interested in a War History.
I hope you can see the difference.


Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov
Russian military leader, considered a national hero. He did not lost a single battle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Suvorov


Battle of Borodino 1812. - no one won.

France losses - According to various estimates, from 30 to 40 [2] thousand people killed and wounded.
Russia losses - 39211 people [3]; there are unconfirmed estimates of up to 46 thousand killed, wounded and missing

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бородинское_сражение


Battle of Berezina - Napoleon’s total defeat.

France losses - about 35 thousand people killed, wounded, captive, drowned and frozen.
The losses of Russian troops, according to the inscription on the 25th wall of the Cathedral of Christ the Savior, amounted to about 4 thousand soldiers.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Сражение_на_Березине



Here is a real story about great soldiers from WW1

1915 - “Attack of the Dead” at the Osovec Fortress

On August 6, 1915, during the defense of the Osovets fortress on the Eastern Front, after a German gas attack, about fifty Russian soldiers of the 13th company of the 226th Zemlyansky regiment were able to overturn the advancing German battalions in a desperate counterattack.

The first attempts to storm Osovets were made by German troops in September 1914, when 40 battalions of the Landwehr (German militia) tried to take the fortress on the move. The attempt failed, and the parties were forced to switch to a positional war.

Having thoroughly prepared, on February 25, 1915 the Germans again went on the assault. For several days, despite the German fierce attacks and shelling, the Russian units held the defenses. Having spent a huge amount of shells, the Germans again switched to positional actions, which lasted until the middle of the summer.

On August 6, 1915, after waiting for a fair wind, the Germans used their “superweapon” - at dawn at 4 a.m. a dark green fog flowed onto Russian positions. This day turned black for the defenders of Osovets. As a result, gas penetrated to a total depth of up to 20 km, while maintaining a damaging effect to a depth of 12 km and up to 12 meters in height.

In the absence of any effective means of protection for the defenders of the fortress, the result of the gas attack was devastating: the 9th, 10th and 11th companies of the Zemlyansky regiment were completely out of order, from the 12th company in the central redoubt about 40 people remained in service. In total - about 60 people.

Over 1,600 people went out of action in the fortress.

After the gas attack, German artillery opened powerful fire at the fortress, including shells with chloropicrin, and then 14 German battalions moved to occupy scorched positions.

At this moment, the commandant of the fortress, General - Lieutenant Nikolai Brzhozovsky ordered to counterattack. Fulfilling the order, the dying Russian infantrymen stood up and advanced the Germans.
These were the remains of the 8th and 13th companies of the 226th Zemlyansky Infantry Regiment - a little more than 60 people, their counterattack was led by Lieutenant Vladimir Kotlinsky. According to the surviving evidence of the participants in those events, the appearance of the Russian soldiers was so terrible that they plunged the enemy into indescribable horror.
Seeing the “living dead” approaching along the railway, the German infantrymen from the 18th regiment, did not accept the battle and they rushed back trampling each other and hanging on wire fences. Lieutenant Vladimir Kotlinsky died during the attack

During the attack a reinforcements joined the advancing dying Russian infantrymen and they knocked out the German to their original positions. By 8 o’clock in the morning, all the consequences of the German breakthrough were eliminated. By 11 a.m. the shelling of the fortress stopped, which was the formal end to the German failed assault.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Атака_мертвецов

Short film “Attack of the Dead: Osovets”

Sorry no English subtitles but it is a great movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U518G8fUk6o

Kind Regards.
Tank.

 

[The Military Workshop]

So I guess that means no good cavalry charges from the Russians.

Perhaps you can tell us in which battle the Russians lost the most men killed ? For some strange reason I would find that most interesting.

 

[Mirof]

 

[Rutledge]

Bloody Russian! They are everywhere. ^&grin ^&grin ^&grin


Wake up man! You have been tricked.

Cheers.
Tank.

And yet I live in a country that millions of Russians have risked their lives to defect TO. And still top Russian athletes, artists, scientists etc move here in droves. Meanwhile Americans who visit Russia thank the lord they don’t live in such a hole.

Cheers!

Rutlege

 

[tank]

I don’t care about politics. I’m interested in a War History.
I hope you can see the difference

.

Soviet aces made up about three percent of the total number of pilots. 27 pilots were awarded the title twice and thrice theHero of the Soviet Union. During the war, they won from 22 to 62 victories each and the 27 pilots shot down a total of 1,044 aircraft.

One of them Ivan Kozhedub.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Kozhedub

Ivan Kozhedub flew on La-5, La-5FN, La-7, IL-2 and MiG-3. Kozhedub held his first air battle on La-5 in March 1943. Together with the leader, he was supposed to guard the airfield, but while taking off he lost sight of the leading plane. Because of that his La-5 was atacked by the Messerschmitt-109 and after that his plane got under friendly anti-aircraft artillery fire . When Kozhedub landed he counted more than 50 holes in the his plane.

Ivan Kozhedub took part in air battles on the Kursk Bulge. In the summer of 1943, he received his first award the Battle Red Banner. By February 1944, the number of aircraft shot down by Kozhedub exceeded three dozen. The pilot was awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union.

He is one of the few pilots to have shot down a Messerschmitt Me-262 jet.

In total, Kozhedub made 330 sorties, conducted 120 air battles and shot down 64 enemy aircraft.


In 1945 Ivan Kozhedub add to his battle account two American F-51 Mustang fighters.

F-51 Mustangs mistakenly tried to attack ivan Kozhedub over Berlin, but they were immediately shot down. Ivan Kozhedub recalled that on April 17, 1945, he met the Allies’ Flying Fortresses B-17 in the air. Ivan Kozhedub drove away a couple of Messerschmitts Bf 109 from the B-17s, but after a few seconds he was attacked by two American cover fighters.

Kozhedub recalled half a century later. - "The string of bursts was shoot from a long distance, with a bright tracer shells, unlike Russian or German tracer shells. Due to the long distance the end of the the string of bursts was bending down. I rolled over and quickly attacked the nearest American F-51 Mustang (I already knew that it was fighters from the escort of the B-17s). After my attack something exploded in the Mustang fuselage and the plane went down towards the Russian troops side.
After that I completed a combat turn and from an inverted position landed a few shells into the next F-51 Mustang.
The plane exploded in the air ...

When the tension of the battle subsided, on the way back I was worry that I got into a big trouble but nothing happened. In the cockpit of the Mustang, which landed on Russian territory was a hefty black man. To the question who brought him down the American pilot replyed “ A Focke-Wulf” with a red nose ... I don’t think he played along. At that time the Allies did not even learn how to distinguish the Russian planes fron Germans .. .
The CGF films was watched by the command of the squadron Pavel Fedorovich Chupikov. He gave these tapes to me and said: “Take them to yourself, Ivan, and don’t show it to anyone.”

Just before the Victory Day ivan Kozhedub survived an even hotter battle with the Americans.
A squadron of Flying Fortress the consolidatedB-24 Liberatorloaded with the bombs up to the eyeballs entered the space of the Soviet occupation zone.. They ignored warning shots from the Ivan Kozhedub fighter so he shooted down three B-24 Liberator and he made the others bombers to run away for the life.
As in the previous case with the shot down F-51 Mustangs Ivan Kozhedub wasn’t allowed to include those bombers to his official list of the victories. The squadron commander Pavel Chupikov joked: “We would have to fight the Americans soon anyway. Don’t worry, at the very first day of the next war those wrecked bombers would be added to your battle account.”

The clashes that began in the second half of 1944 between Soviet and American air groups were by no means a consequence of the confusion traditional for any war. The Unated States considered the entire European continent as their zone of influence. The commander of the US Air Force Spaats even refused to discuss the procedure for flying over the Soviet zone with Marshal Zhukov. He impudently stated that “American aviation flew everywhere and flew without any restrictions.” (G.K. Zhukov. Memoirs and Reflections. M., 1971. P.670).

The first attack on the Red Army by Americans were made on November 7, 1944.
40 American Lockheed P-38 Lightning attacked the headquarters of the 6th Guards Rifle Corps and the airfield of the 866th Fighter Aviation Regiment near the city of Nis.
The commander of the corpsGrigory Kotov and 30 others were killed. In addition, two aircraft were destroyed and a dozen cars were burned. The Soviet fighters in turn shot down several P-38 Lightning.

The leaders of the United States and the USSR decided not to publicize the incident, and the command of the US Army apologized to the Soviet troops for the perfect mistake.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Воздушный_бой_над_Нишем

In April 1951, Ivan Kozhedub promoted to Polkovnik (colonel), he commanded the 324th IAD (Fighter Air Division) and dispatched to Antung airfield on the China-North Korea border to fly the MiG 15[SUP][6][/SUP] during the Korean War supporting the North Korean forces. He was not given permission to participate in combat missions.

Under his leadership the 324th IAD claimed 239 victories, including 12 Boeing B-29 Superfortresses for the loss of 27 MiG-15s in combat and 9 pilots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Kozhedub
Cheers.
Tank.

 

[Mirof]

Let's be boring again :
Who was the best pilot in ww2?

Erich Hartmann became Germany's top ace in just three short years with more than 350 aerial victories. His streak remains the deadliest in history. Erich Hartmann took pride in his skills as a fighter pilot for the German Luftwaffe in World War II — as well he should have


Please stop compare the size of ....