Market Place in Free-fall....Look Out Below! (2 Viewers)

Dear "Njja":

I for another have sold many retired K&C sets since 2004 via eBay to update my collection and dioramas for the more realistic looking post 2003 to date newer K&C figures. It was nice to often (but not always) get large profits on the retired K&C sets to be used to pay for the new K&C sets.

Regards, "Iron Brigade"

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Well good for you! After all it is your collection, and if you decide you would

like to trade (sell) a few items for other items that you would like why not?

With all the new items currently in production, unless a collector has a

"money tree" in his backyard......it could be difficult keeping up!:D
 
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Well good for you! After all it is your collection, and if you decide you would

like to trade (sell) a few items for other items that you would like why not?

With all the new items currently in production, unless a collector has a

"money tree" in his backyard......it could be difficult keeping up!:D

I used to have a money tree but it has no leaves anymore :eek:
 
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Forgive them Gid.....they know not what they say!:rolleyes::D:)

America was forged on people earning money, why has that suddenly become

a sin?:confused:

No smart man was ever hurt by being careful with his money.

I supose its a lesson you learn with age.:rolleyes::)

Hey, I'm not saying that making money is a sin in and of itself. What I have a problem is how so much of it is being "earned" (if you can call it that).

This country was founded through people who made money... by producing tangible things, items of use in our every day life.

What I take issue with is our current system with all these middle men standing between us and our money, people creating instruments and products of absolutely zero value and knowingly selling them around the world for short term gains.

Like I said, it's not a sin to make an honest living but what I see so much of now just isn't. Seems everybody is chasing after the next bubble, the next fad and that's what will save us in the short term. I don't see anything long term taking place.

You and I know each other pretty well so don't take this as bashing or being argumentative, but when I see all this speak of these objects being a market, I instantly think of it as a bubble. All bubbles burst but I am not convinced that collectibles is a "market" in the sense that you speak of - maybe a tiny micro one.

It's like the "art market" or the "vintage car market", "vintage guitar market" - it's a "hobby market". These markets fluctuate based on what final one person will spend on one item.
 
It's like the "art market" or the "vintage car market", "vintage guitar market" - it's a "hobby market". These markets fluctuate based on what final one person will spend on one item.

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I think you are correct with your observations. All of these markets are subject to the whims of the economy and the general interest of the public at large.:)

The only people that should actually rely on earning any "real" money would be the manufacters & dealers......and with their related capital iinvestments we can see only to often how that fares!:rolleyes:

To be honest I don't really believe any collector should anticipate earning any
money with his collection, as this very easily could become an exercise in futility!:D

If an individual collector is fortunate enough to sell a few items he is tired of to fund new purchases, good for him.:)
 
Wow, what a mess:eek: Nearly 2000 items listed.....dealers dumping items (starting them below original list) and now we have the $.01 listers:eek: Oh
well, I did try and warn everyone several times.......

Ok, this is not a debate about what an item is worth, we have beaten that horse to death, this is simply about the marketplace.

I speak about it because I was there when it began, and not just with King & Country, I have seen it numerious times in the other fields I am active in.

Reguarding King & Country when I began collecting there was 0 listings on ebay. I would say there was a very limited secondary market, if any. I recall Louis saying he made deals for the sitting stock of wooden vehicles from several dealers. I remember finding Treefrog on the internet and purchasing the entire Roman Fort which had been retired, and being quite pleased.:)

When new items slowly began to come out I decided to sell items that had been my 3rd or 4th choice from the shop I purchased K&C from to make room.:) I was quite thrilled to get my $89 back to buy a new set (less selling fees) imagine someone wanting my WS26 with the driver so out of scale (sorry Andy) maybe he really was 8' tall.:eek: Each day I would check for K&C listings and find none.....then one day someone listed an AN set and it sold with a buy it now for $400! I only had one Arnhem set at the time the AN16 sitting alone in a showcase, so I decided to list mine because I have several new sets I wanted to get and mine sold in 15 minutes!
Then a WS15W the real Winter Tiger (ok, I know its not the wooden version) sold for $1,000 and the market took off.

It became a great place where you could go and find almost anything, even on rare occasion a wooden piece! You could also usually quite easily sell almost anything to purchase something else you wanted to buy. It was free and easy (not speaking about fees here). No right or wrong, everyone free to buy or sell what they wanted to just like our free market system.

What people fail to realize is that no one forces you to bid on something you feel is too expensive.:)

Also no matter who you are, there are always going to be items priced outside your budget.

Finally, when something sells for a high price, another person will be encouraged to sell his, thus giving someone else a chance to obtain a rare piece.......all of this is good.

Today all of that is in disarray, people can't seem to help themselves listing on top of each other, and now what prompted me starting this thread is out and out FRAUD by a lister.

We have a person listing an item and claiming its limited to 500 pieces when actually 1250 were made.

Now anyone can make a mistake, so I dropped him a note giving him the correct information.:)

He told me I was wrong. So I asked him to simply check the King & Country website, correct his information with no need to respond.:)

He told me to mind my own business, well providing accurate information to another collector about something he is thinking about buying should be every decent collectors business.:D

Anyone interested in this sellers id can send me a pm or drop me a note at njja@bellsouth.net I will be happy to provide you the information and auction number.:)

Dear "Njja":

In just the last few days I have looked for some K&C D-Day sets on eBay that I just might get for a reasonable price per chance. I was also surprised by the "huge" number of eBay listing for K&C. Instead of #300 to #600 as in the past there were now listings of 2,000 or so! I purchased several in the last two days K&C RETIRED D-Day sets at very reasonable prices which I will add to my just started in 2009 D-Day diorama. As you noted it does appear that there are more bargains on eBay for K&C sets than there had been a year ago or so. I may hold off on selling anything on eBay for the rest of 2010 at least.

Best regards, "Iron Brigade" 5/17/2010
 
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