Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ (1 Viewer)

[Rob]

Anyone who believes what they are seeing on film are probably the same people who believe everything printed in newspapers and books and what they see on TV. Some people are just like that. Of course Gibson has an agenda, what filmmaker doesn't? I like Gibson's films for what they are, just entertainment. If people want to buy his message, that's their business. I also like Oliver Stone's films but I don't buy into his agenda, either. Can't afford to. -- Al

Can't agree there, people should not be allowed to spread hatred and intolerance under the banner of 'entertainment', if we start to condone it it becomes a very slippery slope. I mean, just imagine what agendas a director could have,you get me?:wink2:

Rob

 

[lancer]

Can't agree there, people should not be allowed to spread hatred and intolerance under the banner of 'entertainment', if we start to condone it it becomes a very slippery slope. I mean, just imagine what agendas a director could have,you get me?:wink2:

Rob

I got you, Rob. Don't condone hate in any media, but we also have to be careful about the right of free speech, and that sort of "what is porn/hate" debate goes on over here every day. A VERY slippery slope. -- Al

 

[Currahee Chris]

Also, he's Jesus, and if you believe in all that goes along with that, than who's to say it wasn't due to that.
-Sandor:salute::

Good Morning Sandor

I certainly believe in Christ and have accepted him into my life as Lord and Savior. I have listened to several TV specials which discuss the trauma illustrated by that sequence of events and there are several "experts" out there who have come to the conclusion that it is exactly as you say- He was divine as He was human- and that sustained him through the act.

From what I have read and understand, I do believe looking at Christ as a human, I cannot imagine any human being through the course of history could have sustained the torture that that scene portrays. Having an interest in Roman history, there has been a lot of discussion as to what the archaeological record has disclosed in connection with the use of Roman crucifixtion. Several ancient historians have written of the streets lined with Crucifictions following the Spartacus revolts yet the only solid evidence of the use of crucifiction has been recovered relatively recently.

Also, the Romans are often stigmatized as being anti-religious which couldn't be further from the truth. The Romans in a lot of ways far more tolerant than even society today in terms of religion, free speech and sexual tolerance.

But I do agree with you especially in light of Mel's acidic outbursts. I have watched the film several times and have never once wanted to go out and hate against Jews. Jesus Christ, the Christ I love and revere, was a very peaceful prophet and would never support such action.

Best regards
CC

 

[Rob]

I got you, Rob. Don't condone hate in any media, but we also have to be careful about the right of free speech, and that sort of "what is porn/hate" debate goes on over here every day. A VERY slippery slope. -- Al

Yes you are quite correct there mate, freedom of speech is vital. I don't want to sound like scrooge in all this either,but I just feel its not right if our soldiers are maligned unfairly is all.:smile2:

I look forward to Gallipoli 2 :wink2:

Rob

 

[Peter Reuss]

Anyone who believes what they are seeing on film are probably the same people who believe everything printed in newspapers and books and what they see on TV.

What, I can't believe everything I see or read?

Next you'll be telling me that I can't believe everything that I read on the Forum! Sheesh!

 

[lancer]

What, I can't believe everything I see or read?

Next you'll be telling me that I can't believe everything that I read on the Forum! Sheesh!

I do have a bad habit of stating the obvious.:rolleyes2:^&grin -- Al

 

[Rob]

I thought I read in a couple of places over the years that Jesus was tortured most horribly and yet did not cry out, this enraged the Romans inflicting the torture. This fits in with Gibsons scene when after being whipped with canes, Jesus struggles to his feet, leading the Romans to use the dreaded Flagrum on him. As was said earlier hard to imagine surviving this beating/flaying, I also understand it was carried out before every Crucifixion.

Rob

 

[Scott]

Right! Sharpe books and movies are "Harlequin Romances" for men. Fun but not to be taken seriously.

 

[Scott]

...........but I am jewish, and do not tolerate antisematism in any form. That is why I hate him, and why I think the movie we are discussing is dangerous.
......."

-Sandor

I remember this scene.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Passion_of_the_Christ#Allegations_of_anti-Semitism

"....One specific scene in the movie perceived as an example of anti-Semitism was in the dialogue of Caiaphas, when he states "His blood [is] on us and on our children!", a quote historically interpreted by some as a curse taken upon by the Jewish people. Certain Jewish groups asked this be removed from the film. However, only the subtitles were removed; the original dialogue remains in Aramaic soundtrack.[60]..."

 

[Scott]

In Gibson's films like The Patriot and Brave Heart there IS an anti English slant but it's based on inaccurate accounts of history.

 

[Napoleon1er]

Good Morning Sandor

I certainly believe in Christ and have accepted him into my life as Lord and Savior. I have listened to several TV specials which discuss the trauma illustrated by that sequence of events and there are several "experts" out there who have come to the conclusion that it is exactly as you say- He was divine as He was human- and that sustained him through the act.

From what I have read and understand, I do believe looking at Christ as a human, I cannot imagine any human being through the course of history could have sustained the torture that that scene portrays. Having an interest in Roman history, there has been a lot of discussion as to what the archaeological record has disclosed in connection with the use of Roman crucifixtion. Several ancient historians have written of the streets lined with Crucifictions following the Spartacus revolts yet the only solid evidence of the use of crucifiction has been recovered relatively recently.

Also, the Romans are often stigmatized as being anti-religious which couldn't be further from the truth. The Romans in a lot of ways far more tolerant than even society today in terms of religion, free speech and sexual tolerance.

But I do agree with you especially in light of Mel's acidic outbursts. I have watched the film several times and have never once wanted to go out and hate against Jews. Jesus Christ, the Christ I love and revere, was a very peaceful prophet and would never support such action.

Best regards
CC

I hope you didn't construe what I said as offensive.... it was not meant that way at all. Though I don't believe in the full sense, I like to acknowledge that Jesus existed, as a human, and thus for the most part agree with you.
-Sandor:salute::

 

[maddadicus]

For Rob, who was maligned in the Titantic movie? "Look at the row Titanic caused, here they maligned a real life character who was in fact a hero that night, so much so they had to go to his Scottish village and apologize and make a donation." Michael

 

[Scott]

Mel should have included THIS incident.


Matthew 27:51-53 (New King James Version)

"51 Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split, 52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many. "

 

[Rob]

For Rob, who was maligned in the Titantic movie? "Look at the row Titanic caused, here they maligned a real life character who was in fact a hero that night, so much so they had to go to his Scottish village and apologize and make a donation." Michael

Michael, his name escapes me I'm afraid but I remember reading that he was portrayed very badly and the producers had to apologise.

Just looked it up, it's First officer William Murdoch , can't remember character in film but article says he was portrayed as a coward.
Rob

 

[Mitch]

Just a question as you have raised this jewish thing many times. are you saying that anyone who does not like jews or a singular jew is an anti semite?? thats rather ludicrous IMO. the hate you speak of is as equal to the antisemitism you so dislike. I like my neighbour who is jewish but, dislike his brother as he sees anti jewishness everywhere, in every sentence and every action in the world. Am I an anti semite?? I think its a chip on his shoulder but, if you go around preaching I hate everyone who says anything against my faith as it causes alienation not integration IMO
Mitch

He can be a good actor, such as in Conspiracy Theory, but I am jewish, and do not tolerate antisematism in any form. That is why I hate him, and why I think the movie we are discussing is dangerous.

But back to the point, I do think they would have spared his life so they could crucify him.

-Sandor

 

[Napoleon1er]

Just a question as you have raised this jewish thing many times. are you saying that anyone who does not like jews or a singular jew is an anti semite?? thats rather ludicrous IMO. the hate you speak of is as equal to the antisemitism you so dislike. I like my neighbour who is jewish but, dislike his brother as he sees anti jewishness everywhere, in every sentence and every action in the world. Am I an anti semite?? I think its a chip on his shoulder but, if you go around preaching I hate everyone who says anything against my faith as it causes alienation not integration IMO
Mitch

No, thats NOT what I am implying OR saying. Gibson has made racist comments about the entire race, and uses some of his movies to provoke hatred against them. I think you slightly misunderstood my comment. It is that he sponsors a moment of widespread hatred for Jews as a race, which IS antisemitism. Of course your not antisemitic, as if that logic was true, I would be too^&grin. I am also fully aware that 'hate against haters' is not a good thing, but not all of us can withstand that hate.
-Sandor

 

[Scott]

William McMaster Murdoch was portrayed as committing suicide because of conflicting rumors as who saw him where last. The movie sets it up that he was responsible for the failed attempt to turn the Titanic and rumors that he shot rioting passengers but that's the movie's version.

White Star Line Chairman, J. Bruce Ismay is usually portrayed as the sneering mustachioed villain but he did get in the lifeboat last where he was on the ship after supervising the loading.

 

[Gideon]

Some people perversely focus on the passion. I don't understand why this is but I have seen people get very stimulated (not that way) when discussing it. I assume this is where Mel Gibson falls in. Along with his biases, of course.

I wouldn't take a movie like Passion of the Christ as historic fact.

There was a guy who came into our shop back in NYC and spent a bit of time looking at a diorama I put together with the K&C Roman arch, at St Petersburg christ figure and st petes Romans. He turned to me and asked "do they make a passion of the christ set?" I asked why he'd be interested in having a diorama of that type of torture but the conversation was over. That guys eyes were on fire - he was very intent on seeing that, describing how the figures would look, the blood, etc. To stop him from freaking all of us out further I told him we could have it made for about $15,000. Thank goodness he left.

 

[Rob]

My god(pardon the pun) can you imagine such a set! Who'd want to look at the scourging scene over and over, I could barely watch it once, takes all sorts I suppose.

Rob

Some people perversely focus on the passion. I don't understand why this is but I have seen people get very stimulated (not that way) when discussing it. I assume this is where Mel Gibson falls in. Along with his biases, of course.

I wouldn't take a movie like Passion of the Christ as historic fact.

There was a guy who came into our shop back in NYC and spent a bit of time looking at a diorama I put together with the K&C Roman arch, at St Petersburg christ figure and st petes Romans. He turned to me and asked "do they make a passion of the christ set?" I asked why he'd be interested in having a diorama of that type of torture but the conversation was over. That guys eyes were on fire - he was very intent on seeing that, describing how the figures would look, the blood, etc. To stop him from freaking all of us out further I told him we could have it made for about $15,000. Thank goodness he left.

 

[Scott]

It's called the Stations of the Cross. Most RC churches have paintings or 3D "reliefs" on their walls like a comic strip of the passion story.