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There are several books you can look for O’Brien wrote a couple that are very handy. Then of course you can look for the WBritains books. A lot of pretty good books are out of print. It checkbout places like eBay or Abebooks and see what you can find.

Dave
 
There are several books you can look for O’Brien wrote a couple that are very handy. Then of course you can look for the WBritains books. A lot of pretty good books are out of print. It checkbout places like eBay or Abebooks and see what you can find.

Dave

Thanks Dave
 
Well, now, as we talk about those two Zouave figures, I happened upon this eBay auction for a figure with a similar base, and which I suspect may be from the same maker:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Lead-Toy-S...ritains-/183150369868?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276

Maybe not; the style of painting is a little different, especially on the face. The seller has posted no info about any maker.

Prost!
Brad

I stand corrected, I looked at the style and missed the base on the original Zouave, they are NOT CBG Mignot. The style is nearly identical. Again, could be Grand Armee - was an outfit out of Florida that were Mignot in style down to the box but bases varied. OR it could be a casting I have never seen, but the paint is very clean.

TD
 
Seriously, there is no one book, though there are several good titles. The area is very broad, you see.

The late Richard O'Brien wrote a book called, "Collecting Toy Soldiers", in which he cataloged the major toy soldier makers from the classic era of hollowcast and other lead-alloy toy soldiers. He revised the book through three subsequent editions, including one on American makers and one on foreign makers. His books are full of photos for reference, and very good information on the history of many of the most prominent manufacturers, like Britains, Heyde, Barclay, Manoil, and many smaller makers. Some were unidentified, till O'Brien did his research, contacting many collectors for additional information.

For Britains itself, there are very good books by James Opie and by Norman Joplin. Norman is a member of this forum, too, and often posts in our discussions, to offer info and clarification or identification. Between the two of them, they have produced excellent references to cover both the classic period, from the start of Britain's toy soldier production in the late 1800s up to the mid-Sixties, and the newer production of collector's figures since the late-Seventies/early-Eighties.

There is also an older reference, by John Garratt, the "World Encyclopedia of Model Soldiers", with good photos and extensive info on many different makers from around the world. The style is a little dated, perhaps, and it ends with the end of the classic period, so there's nothing on newer makers like King & Country. But it is still a valuable reference, nevertheless, for the old toy soldiers we find, like your Staddens.

For other makers, in other countries, there isn't as much material, and often it can be written in other languages. For example, Hans Henning Roer wrote a book on German toy soldiers, which is a good overview, but I don't know if it's been translated. I speak German, so I have it in its original version.

For newer makers, the best reference is forums like ours, which collect the knowledge of so many collectors from around the world. In addition, I find magazines like Toy Soldier & Model Figure, Old Toy Soldier, and Toy Soldier Collector, to be excellent references. TS&MF and TSC are good for modern figures (ie, post-1980) and OTS is an excellent reference for old toy soldiers. I don't know of any other publication that has as much info on American dimestore toy soldiers. Norman Joplin also contributes to that magazine.

Read as much as you can, look at auctions, get out to shows and visit with the vendors, and ask, ask, ask.

Hope that helps, prosit!
Brad
 
I stand corrected, I looked at the style and missed the base on the original Zouave, they are NOT CBG Mignot. The style is nearly identical. Again, could be Grand Armee - was an outfit out of Florida that were Mignot in style down to the box but bases varied. OR it could be a casting I have never seen, but the paint is very clean.

TD

Having seen that figure on eBay, my radar is now up, and I'm curious to see if I can find other, similar figures. A new puzzle!

Prost!
Brad
 
Seriously, there is no one book, though there are several good titles. The area is very broad, you see.

The late Richard O'Brien wrote a book called, "Collecting Toy Soldiers", in which he cataloged the major toy soldier makers from the classic era of hollowcast and other lead-alloy toy soldiers. He revised the book through three subsequent editions, including one on American makers and one on foreign makers. His books are full of photos for reference, and very good information on the history of many of the most prominent manufacturers, like Britains, Heyde, Barclay, Manoil, and many smaller makers. Some were unidentified, till O'Brien did his research, contacting many collectors for additional information.

For Britains itself, there are very good books by James Opie and by Norman Joplin. Norman is a member of this forum, too, and often posts in our discussions, to offer info and clarification or identification. Between the two of them, they have produced excellent references to cover both the classic period, from the start of Britain's toy soldier production in the late 1800s up to the mid-Sixties, and the newer production of collector's figures since the late-Seventies/early-Eighties.

There is also an older reference, by John Garratt, the "World Encyclopedia of Model Soldiers", with good photos and extensive info on many different makers from around the world. The style is a little dated, perhaps, and it ends with the end of the classic period, so there's nothing on newer makers like King & Country. But it is still a valuable reference, nevertheless, for the old toy soldiers we find, like your Staddens.

For other makers, in other countries, there isn't as much material, and often it can be written in other languages. For example, Hans Henning Roer wrote a book on German toy soldiers, which is a good overview, but I don't know if it's been translated. I speak German, so I have it in its original version.

For newer makers, the best reference is forums like ours, which collect the knowledge of so many collectors from around the world. In addition, I find magazines like Toy Soldier & Model Figure, Old Toy Soldier, and Toy Soldier Collector, to be excellent references. TS&MF and TSC are good for modern figures (ie, post-1980) and OTS is an excellent reference for old toy soldiers. I don't know of any other publication that has as much info on American dimestore toy soldiers. Norman Joplin also contributes to that magazine.

Read as much as you can, look at auctions, get out to shows and visit with the vendors, and ask, ask, ask.

Hope that helps, prosit!
Brad

Thanks for this Brad, really helpful.
Kind regards.

Tim.
 
The 2 Zouaves in picture #2 are from the French firm "Les Petits Soldats de France". The company was started by the famous French painter Madame Metayer. Focusing on the 1st Empire, the superbly sculpted figures were available assembled and painted or in an unpainted kit form. At a later date a new line of figures titled "France 1900" was added focusing on the French Army of 1880-1918. The creator of "France 1900" range was Joanny Jabouley who at that time continued the "Les Petits Soldats de France" range. The "France 1900" line was quite extensive offering French regiments of the Metropolitain and Colonial Armies. Figures were available as painted and unpainted and no assembly was required. Upon Monsieur Jabouley's death the company was run by Madame Nelly Denat and the "France 1900" molds were later sold to Didier Huard. I have group of 30 zouaves complete with officer, drummer and flag painted by myself in my collection. Hope this helps.
Russ
 
The 2 Zouaves in picture #2 are from the French firm "Les Petits Soldats de France". The company was started by the famous French painter Madame Metayer. Focusing on the 1st Empire, the superbly sculpted figures were available assembled and painted or in an unpainted kit form. At a later date a new line of figures titled "France 1900" was added focusing on the French Army of 1880-1918. The creator of "France 1900" range was Joanny Jabouley who at that time continued the "Les Petits Soldats de France" range. The "France 1900" line was quite extensive offering French regiments of the Metropolitain and Colonial Armies. Figures were available as painted and unpainted and no assembly was required. Upon Monsieur Jabouley's death the company was run by Madame Nelly Denat and the "France 1900" molds were later sold to Didier Huard. I have group of 30 zouaves complete with officer, drummer and flag painted by myself in my collection. Hope this helps.
Russ

That's great Russ, many thanks.

Tim.
 

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