My Napoleonic Mameluk collection - Part 1 (1 Viewer)
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Grognard
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Yes, they participated pretty much to all the Nap campaigns. They were part of the Imperial Guard. They were even at Waterloo under Lefebvre-Desnouettes although by then they had lost most of their colorful uniform...
Scarlet Pimpernel
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Awww, Grognard...
Now see, you went and gave me TS envy again!
What a lovely little grouping. I am particularly fond of the one in various shades of red (with no moustache)...I take it that he is Roustan (at least how I imagined him).
Who produced him? Looks Russian.
Now see, you went and gave me TS envy again!
What a lovely little grouping. I am particularly fond of the one in various shades of red (with no moustache)...I take it that he is Roustan (at least how I imagined him).
Who produced him? Looks Russian.
Grognard
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No it's French
and yes, this is Roustan. I bought this one in France in Paris. It is from Le Cimier and the sculptor is Roger Roussel. Please see:http://www.lecimier.com/product_info.php?products_id=191&osCsid=6599519a0136480b3a4903ac2d00b874
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No it's French
http://www.lecimier.com/product_info.php?products_id=191&osCsid=6599519a0136480b3a4903ac2d00b874
Thanks...wow, those are great little sculpts, and the price is excellent!
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Also we have a few examples
http://www.niena.ru/en/catalog/top/18.19.22
http://www.niena.ru/en/catalog/top/18.19.22
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Yo Trooper, sorry but I am one person that does not go along with these different levels of painting IE: collector painted €136.00 or top quality painted €289.00. So say I buy a collector painted at €136.00 but knowing its not as good as it should be. I collect Chas Stadden models and when they were sold painted they were given the best by the artist, not we can do it better if you pay another €153.00. If that were the case with Chas Stadden models I wouldn't buy them in the first place. Does not impress me one bit all these levels of painting, its either the best you can do or I dont buy it, sorry but thats my honest opinion.
Bernard.
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Bernard, I can not agree more on this kind of pricing, it not exactly like they are selling to the kids for 10 bucks and to the collectors for $400... I guess nobody want to be a second grade collector with " economy painted" figures
I would also suggest more research to be done on some expensive figures, for example "The Tiger hunt" elephant has fancy "Indian style" drapes...
I have seen hundreds original Delhi Durbar and Tiger Hunt photographs but have never seen these kind of drapes... IMHO
Al
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http://www.niena.ru/en/catalog/help
Russian school of painting figures involves several levels of complexity of painting. In our studio there are 5 grades, studio Arseniev has 10 levels
Lower level does not mean that the figure is worse
Any figure any level is drawn by one master and the master gives part of his soul
Different levels of the figures needed to solve different problems
If you need to build a diorama of tens or hundreds of pieces do not need to buy the piece of
highest level of complexity
We reserve the right to choose the level of painting to you
(Sorry for my english)
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Igor,
Thank you for your reply and please do not take my critique personally
. I think you are missing my point on marketing of your TS...If I want to build a diorama in 54mm scale for 100 figures it would require a lot of space and almost $15,000 in a second grade soldiers I do not think that many collectors can afford it: maybe a few museums Most collectors will go with either smaller scale (30 mm) or the cheaper figures K&C for example...
Please do not get me wrong : a lot of the Russian figures are beautiful masterpieces but they are kind of "for display only little Picassos
, not really "build a diorama" material from my point of view...Al
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Just a quick response to painting levels...
For those collectors who also paint, you know that so much can be done to improve the level of detail with additional applications. Over-paints, washes, and dry brush techniques may be applied in multiple applications. With each application, greater detail.
What you are paying for with higher grade paint quality is not "the best the manufacturer could do" or "the next best thing they could do;" you are paying for the amount of time taken to achieve that level of detail.
In fairness, have a look at all the major manufacturers. Have they really done the "best that they can do"? Or have they done the best that they can do at a price you can afford? I enjoy many of the mid-range manufacturers for what they are, and they are great for massing troops, but some collectors do want a higher level of painting. It's not as if the lesser scale paint jobs are sloppy, just not as many applications.
I have quite a few Niena pieces in the top two paint applications. At first I picked up a few of the "souvenir" quality, and frankly, they were fantastic (especially for the price). I did eventually pick up a few of their top grade pieces, and "wow"...it is hard to go backward...but it would be unreasonable of me to pretend that cost is not a factor...of course it is. I just don't think that connoisseur figures are unreasonably priced for the time required to paint them to that level of detail. I know how many hours it takes me to paint a figure and what my time is worth. Not sure about you guys, but I am not willing to work for 50 cents an hour...would you?
On the flip side, I agree that if a manufacturer is going to offer a connoisseur figure, it had better be historically perfect, and that means in depth research. I have not seen one manufacturer who has not made at least one major faux pas (pardon my double negative)...and I think they would all admit to that (I hope). They key is to correct it.
For those collectors who also paint, you know that so much can be done to improve the level of detail with additional applications. Over-paints, washes, and dry brush techniques may be applied in multiple applications. With each application, greater detail.
What you are paying for with higher grade paint quality is not "the best the manufacturer could do" or "the next best thing they could do;" you are paying for the amount of time taken to achieve that level of detail.
In fairness, have a look at all the major manufacturers. Have they really done the "best that they can do"? Or have they done the best that they can do at a price you can afford? I enjoy many of the mid-range manufacturers for what they are, and they are great for massing troops, but some collectors do want a higher level of painting. It's not as if the lesser scale paint jobs are sloppy, just not as many applications.
I have quite a few Niena pieces in the top two paint applications. At first I picked up a few of the "souvenir" quality, and frankly, they were fantastic (especially for the price). I did eventually pick up a few of their top grade pieces, and "wow"...it is hard to go backward...but it would be unreasonable of me to pretend that cost is not a factor...of course it is. I just don't think that connoisseur figures are unreasonably priced for the time required to paint them to that level of detail. I know how many hours it takes me to paint a figure and what my time is worth. Not sure about you guys, but I am not willing to work for 50 cents an hour...would you?
On the flip side, I agree that if a manufacturer is going to offer a connoisseur figure, it had better be historically perfect, and that means in depth research. I have not seen one manufacturer who has not made at least one major faux pas (pardon my double negative)...and I think they would all admit to that (I hope). They key is to correct it.
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Re: My Napoleonic Mameluke collection
Here is my latest mameluke acquisition. I have been looking for this one for a while and finally found it (at the right price in Australia...) The sculpt is from Metal-Modeles and the painting work is from St Petersburg (it is signed).
Here is my latest mameluke acquisition. I have been looking for this one for a while and finally found it (at the right price
in Australia...) The sculpt is from Metal-Modeles and the painting work is from St Petersburg (it is signed).Attachments
Grognard
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Thanks JW! Yes, I too have always admired Bruno's sculpts. I have many examples of his craft in my collection (Napoléon, his Marshalls, staff, etc.). You can see them on my TF album. Too bad that the exchange rate Euro/$ is not in our favor . Fortunately for me I bougtht the majority of them in Paris when the Euros was weak years ago. That said I am still longing to get a few of them like these ones:
http://www.metal-modeles.com/images/fiches/fiche_COFPOL_1.jpg
http://www.metal-modeles.com/images/fiches/fiche_CTLRGI_1.jpg
http://www.metal-modeles.com/images/fiches/fiche_CLRGI_1.jpg
. Fortunately for me I bougtht the majority of them in Paris when the Euros was weak years ago. That said I am still longing to get a few of them like these ones:http://www.metal-modeles.com/images/fiches/fiche_COFPOL_1.jpg
http://www.metal-modeles.com/images/fiches/fiche_CTLRGI_1.jpg
http://www.metal-modeles.com/images/fiches/fiche_CLRGI_1.jpg