NAP0642-NAP0650 Dutch Imperial Guard Grenadiers (1 Viewer)

[FirstLegion]

First Legion presents the Old Guard Dutch Grenadiers. These figures are in marching order and designed to complement our release of the Old Guard Dutch Grenadiers Tete-de-Colonne. Of course, they can also be used independently of the band in a battle display as well. The Dutch Grenadiers were part of the Imperial Guard from 1810-1813 and were raised again in April 1815 for the Hundred Days Campaign. They were one of the only regiments of the Grande Armee to wear white uniforms. We sincerely hope you enjoy them!

Shown above with their counterparts in the band. Two of my favorite uniform colors, the powder blue and white. Yum.

NAP0642 Old Guard Dutch Grenadier Standard Bearer $109.95
NAP0643 Old Guard Dutch Grenadier Officer $79.95
NAP0644 Old Guard Dutch Grenadier Drummer $89.95
NAP0645 Old Guard Dutch Grenadier Sapper $89.95
NAP0646 Old Guard Dutch Grenadier NCO $79.95
NAP0647 Old Guard Dutch Grenadier Marching #1 $79.95
NAP0648 Old Guard Dutch Grenadier Marching #2 $79.95
NAP0649 Old Guard Dutch Grenadier Marching #3 $79.95
NAP0650 Old Guard Dutch Grenadier Marching #4 $79.95
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[FirstLegion]

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[joesgis]

Beautiful figures- the white shades are painted wonderfully and all the complimentary colors just make for some really crackin' figures. Love those different face sculpts too! Great work FL!

Joe

 

[Gebhard]

Beautiful figures- the white shades are painted wonderfully and all the complimentary colors just make for some really crackin' figures. Love those different face sculpts too! Great work FL!

Joe

Aren't these just repaints of the 9 original Old Guard Grenadier figures released back in December of 2009 ?

I don't think there is anything new here except for the paint colors, not that that's a bad thing the original figures have been sold out for a pretty long time now. These are 30 bucks more expensive per figure though, darn inflation . Always wanted to see FL do Dutch Grenadiers so I'm not gonna complain too much about the use of the old sculpts, it is what it is.

They look really well painted, love the uniforms. I'm in for a few.

 

[Obee]

Aren't these just repaints of the 9 original Old Guard Grenadier figures released back in December of 2009 ?

I don't think there is anything new here except for the paint colors, not that that's a bad thing the original figures have been sold out for a pretty long time now. These are 30 bucks more expensive per figure though, darn inflation . Always wanted to see FL do Dutch Grenadiers so I'm not gonna complain too much about the use of the old sculpts, it is what it is.

They look really well painted, love the uniforms. I'm in for a few.

Don't think they are repaints because the hat doesn't have the brass plate or the 1st Rgiment. The hat is different.

Not sure about the poses, maybe if someone can put up images, that could help?

Good to see the sappeurs and the drum corps, they can now make the Tête de Colonne like in this image by HISTOREX of the 1st Grenadiers,



John

 

[tenth of june]

Don't think they are repaints because the hat doesn't have the brass plate or the 1st Rgiment. The hat is different.

Not sure about the poses, maybe if someone can put up images, that could help?

Good to see the sappeurs and the drum corps, they can now make the Tête de Colonne like in this image by HISTOREX of the 1st Grenadiers,

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John

Yes they’re repaints, albeit very nice ones and like Gebhard I may pick up 1 or 2.....

In actual fact apart from the Polish Hussars pretty much the entire May releases are repaints, nicely done repaints but nothing we haven’t seen before. Don’t worry Matt I’m still a fan but I’d naturally prefer new stuff whenever possible.

 

[Gebhard]

Don't think they are repaints because the hat doesn't have the brass plate or the 1st Rgiment. The hat is different.

Not sure about the poses, maybe if someone can put up images, that could help?

Good to see the sappeurs and the drum corps, they can now make the Tête de Colonne like in this image by HISTOREX of the 1st Grenadiers,

John

Hi John,

Yea they are repaints, it looks like they may have used the Bearskin cap of the sapper for them all this time around which is without the plate on their figure from the first release. I don't fault em, It's been 10 years between releases and its a real good way to cut cost and improve the profit margins.

To be honest most collectors are not that interested in the lesser celebrated units so if this is the only way we get to see some Dutch Guard Grenadiers from First Legion. I'm ok with it, not my first choice but I don't make the figures or those decisions which is probably a good thing for the company because I'd be making most figures of the less celebrated units .

Here is a picture for those who don't own the originals or just need a little refreshing. I do like the Dutch sappers blond beard, that's a nice touch. best Gebhard

 

[jazzeum]

They look like repaints but there are some small differences (see below) so I’m not sure. Perhaps they used the original mold and made a few small changes. However, I don’t know if that’s possible as I’m neither a sculptor nor well versed in manufacturing.

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Even if they’re repaints, the originals were well sculpted so here’s a chance to get some great figures.

 

[Gebhard]

They look like repaints but there are some small differences (see below) so I’m not sure. Perhaps they used the original mold and made a few small changes. However, I don’t know if that’s possible as I’m neither a sculptor nor well versed in manufacturing.

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Even if they’re repaints, the originals were well sculpted so here’s a chance to get some great figures.

Just curious as to what your seeing, aside from the Bearskin as already discussed what are some of the small differences your seeing not explained in a repaint ? Maybe I'm missing something ^&confuse

 

[jazzeum]

The sculpt of the face looks a little different and the positioning of the drum is different (although that could be due to the angle of the photo taken). The differences are slight and few but there seem to be some differences. I'm happy to be proved wrong.

Maybe Matt is the only one who can answer the question.

In the overall scheme of things, it's not that important whether it's a repaint or not.

 

[Gebhard]

The sculpt of the face looks a little different and the positioning of the drum is different (although that could be due to the angle of the photo taken)..

Ok , I think they look the same just with different paint and the drum is a separate piece that's put on so the angle and position could be slightly different from figure to figure.

I remember when the first batch were released 10 years ago I had the similar question of all the figures looking the same and I was wrong but the way they were painted made it hard to see the differences in face sculpts. Matt told me because of my concerns and comments they were going to change the way they painted all their figures going forward, they used to have a pallet of colors for each release meaning all the figures in that release had the same hair and eye color and they changed that because of my *****ing. So questioning things and making comments can have its benefit for everyone, they really do listen. Its just one of the reasons why I've been a serious collector of FL since the beginning.

As to whether its important or not if they are repaints that all depends on the collector. For me I buy and keep figures so to have shelves of the same figure just repainted matters, it is important to me. But with this release and the way they have them fitting with the band it works well.

 

[FirstLegion]

Hi John,

Yea they are repaints, it looks like they may have used the Bearskin cap of the sapper for them all this time around which is without the plate on their figure from the first release. I don't fault em, It's been 10 years between releases and its a real good way to cut cost and improve the profit margins.

To be honest most collectors are not that interested in the lesser celebrated units so if this is the only way we get to see some Dutch Guard Grenadiers from First Legion. I'm ok with it, not my first choice but I don't make the figures or those decisions which is probably a good thing for the company because I'd be making most figures of the less celebrated units .

Here is a picture for those who don't own the originals or just need a little refreshing. I do like the Dutch sappers blond beard, that's a nice touch. best Gebhard

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Yes, they are the same figures as the Old Guard Grenadiers with conversion work done to change them to Dutch Guard. And yes, this was 100% the only way we were ever going to release Dutch Grenadiers of the Guard. We did the Dutch Grenadier Tete-de-Colonne and we thought that it would be great to the have the Grenadiers to go with them. So to us, it made sense on every level to release these figures exactly as they are.

 

[jazzeum]

Well, looks we were both right. So ends another tempest in a teapot.

 

[Gebhard]

Well, looks we were both right.

How exactly were you right ?

You said "'The sculpt of the face looks a little different and the positioning of the drum is different (although that could be due to the angle of the photo taken) "


How is that possible when they are the same figure. ^&confuse Well so much for your "I'm happy to be proved wrong." :wink2:

 

[jazzeum]

As Matt said they were the same figures but “with conversion work done to change them to Dutch Guards.” So, the same but not the same. Happy now? Really, life is too short to argue about trivial nonsense.

 

[Gebhard]

As Matt said they were the same figures but “with conversion work done to change them to Dutch Guards.” So, the same but not the same. Happy now? Really, life is too short to argue about trivial nonsense.

Conversion work as in a new paint job and a hat {sm3}{sm3} . Sorry Brad but " trivial nonsense " ???? Really . I don't like your tone or comments directed at me for no reason other then me being right and honest in everything I've posted in this tread. One more smart comment directed at me and I'm gonna let ya have it :wink2:

 

[jazzeum]

Ok, dude, you’re right. Be happy and enjoy ^&cool

 

[ciro_sergey]

This set does not become less beautiful even if we speek of old models of the Old Guard grenadier recasting with converted bearskin. Absolutely no problem for that. Nice addition to napoleonic colletion.

Moreover, I see at least two future potential samples for recasting and conversion. Dutch chevau-legers for Polish chevau-legers and Guard Horse Chasseurs for Line Hussars. Hope to see this soon

Of course I also would like to see a variety and shooting-fighting poses, but after the successful sale of this set, I hope, FL will focus on the new exclusive sculptures.

 

[egonzinc]

These look great. With the new headress, Chasseurs a Pied of the Guard could also be a possibility!

 

[Blackbob]

The Dutch Grenadiers of the Guard, (3. Rgt. de grenadiers a Pied) look good in my opinion and shows that a range can be extended by casting/adding different heads. The observation that they look very similar to the Grenadiers a Pied previously issued by First Legion is not for me a concern. The figures are presented marching,perhaps on parade, so uniformity of positions etc is to be expected. If the he figures were in a combat setting or more especially in a rear area relaxing, then no, new poses would be better. A concern I do have is the facing colour, it looks somewhat pinkie/crimson and not red. Perhaps it is the studio lighting?

Sorry egonzinc but the suggestions that the new release could be used for Chasseurs a Pied of the Guard would not work. The head with the bearskin my be suitable but a new body would be required. The Grenadiers tunic had square ended lapels and the flaps on the cuff were 3 pointed. The Chasseurs had pointed lapels, (a marker for light infantry), and cuffs.

Please First Legion, would like more figures from of the allies of France e.g. Saxony and Naples. Hope others share this hope.
Blackbob