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I have had paint flaking issues as well on my K&C figures and even on a K&C Tiger Tank. See the pic's below and all were produced around the 2009/10 period. They have been repaired either through Andy or John (Obee on the forum) and been returned to their original condition. I kept them all in glass cabinets or under clear acrylic perspex covers in a reasonably cool and dark room and I was told by John the cause of the flaking was most likely a bad batch that got contaminated somehow before the final paint was applied. He may be able to explain in detail if he sees my post.

Tom
 

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Yes, I have been following this thread, and like other suggest, it was problem with figures from that period.

I have repaired many from a few Aussie collectors and it's always the same time fame.

Here are the latest repairs I did for Tom, note the seated figures (2nd) isn't K&C, he's Figarti, but that is another story .........

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John
 
Yes, I have been following this thread, and like other suggest, it was problem with figures from that period.

I have repaired many from a few Aussie collectors and it's always the same time fame.

Here are the latest repairs I did for Tom, note the seated figures (2nd) isn't K&C, he's Figarti, but that is another story .........

John

Thanks John, you did an awesome job. I should mention that the AK bare chested with the Jerry can figure that John has pictured is not the same figure in my picture. That figure if my memory serves me correctly was fixed by one of Andy's master painters. I purchased 3 of these figures and all developed identical paint flaking issues.

Tom
 
Thanks John, you did an awesome job. I should mention that the AK bare chested with the Jerry can figure that John has pictured is not the same figure in my picture. That figure if my memory serves me correctly was fixed by one of Andy's master painters. I purchased 3 of these figures and all developed identical paint flaking issues.

Tom

I remember now, the AK bare chested with the Jerry can figure that is flaking in my picture was fixed by John, not Andy's master painter. His painter actually fixed the one in John's pic but there was a further paint flaking on that figure so I asked John to fix that one as well. The 3rd figure I purchased that also developed paint flaking I gave away to a friend.

Tom
 
Wow. This is something I have not experienced. I will need to look at my figures. Those 2 GIs I think are some of the best posed and sculpted figures from K&C.
 
I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around any of this.

What difference does it make what the cabinets are made of/who the designer is?
What would other figures in the cabinet have to do with paint flaking off of these figures; are you asking if the paint is flaking off of other brands?
How would a stain applied to a building cause paint to flake off of a figure?

Paint flakes when the metal is not primed properly, the paint needs primer to bite to, if paint is applied on raw metal, eventually it will begin to flake off due to no buffer between the metal and the paint, this happened with Figarti figures and vehicles as well and has been documented in the past.

If a factory was not applying primer, no manufacturer would have any idea it was happening unless they were present to witness it.

I've seen similar situations with older glossy figures as well, not sure what the problem was there as the figures were painted with gloss enamel, no priming is done during that process, the enamel goes right over the metal near as I can tell.

If you are asking if there is anything you can do to stop it, the answer is no; aside from stripping the figure and repainting it, I don't see a solution.

The make and materials used in a cabinet construction or refinishing can absolutely contribute to damage. I have seen Toy Solders, Resin & Wood Models (ships, planes, etc); Military Collectables and other antiques suffer paint loss, pitting and decay due to the use of the paint removers, stains, varnish and urethane finishes applied to the cabinet. It isn't uncommon to see beautiful cabinets that have been refinished used to display wonderful collections. A short time later the vapors from lingering chemical products have wrought noticeable damage.

The newer composite materials, glass and such have no issues.

--- LaRRy
 
I have had paint flaking issues as well on my K&C figures and even on a K&C Tiger Tank. See the pic's below and all were produced around the 2009/10 period. They have been repaired either through Andy or John (Obee on the forum) and been returned to their original condition. I kept them all in glass cabinets or under clear acrylic perspex covers in a reasonably cool and dark room and I was told by John the cause of the flaking was most likely a bad batch that got contaminated somehow before the final paint was applied. He may be able to explain in detail if he sees my post.

Tom

Tom,
Thank you for your pictures, they are worth a thousand words. As you can see it is not an isolated incident and at the cost of these precious figures it is inexcusable to have these problems. Obvious lack of QC by manufacturers (China/Hong Kong). It would be nice if companies would own it and replace problem figures with brand new corrected figures. That is how I feel when I find them in my collection.

Howard
 
Tom,
Thank you for your pictures, they are worth a thousand words. As you can see it is not an isolated incident and at the cost of these precious figures it is inexcusable to have these problems. Obvious lack of QC by manufacturers (China/Hong Kong). It would be nice if companies would own it and replace problem figures with brand new corrected figures. That is how I feel when I find them in my collection.

Howard[/QUOTE

Actually Howard, I beg to differ, these are ‘isolated incidents’.

Consider this simple fact...Over the years K&C alone has produced literally hundreds of thousands of figures, probably millions. The number of ‘paint-flaking’ incidents is, I believe, relatively rare considering the huge numbers involved, thank goodness.
Annoying most certainly... but rare never the less.

Many other collectors, right here on this thread, have provided ample evidence of other factors, such as ‘environmental’ which can also have an adverse effect on figures. Many of the examples I have seen personally have been the result of some kind of ‘chemical reaction’ caused by the conditions figures in which figures have been stored in...or even displayed in...or have been handled.

Of course, human error and/or carelessness either at the factory...or at any other single point all the way down the supply and collector chain can also cause problems and that is deeply regrettable.

When, and if, I believe K&C is responsible, then we do our best to help or replace such damages.

However to state that ‘obvious lack of QC by manufacturers in China/Hong Kong’ is both wrong and ignores the evidence of actual numbers and the evidence and experience of other collectors.

Best wishes,
Andy.
 
in Andy's defense...
he does stand behind his product...

I buy several series produced by K&C...
I have 100's of his figures...
years ago...
I had a LOJ figure that experienced some flaking and notified Andy...

a month or two later...
at the Texas San Antonio Show...

Andy approached me....reached in his pocket...and pulled out a carefully wrapped up in tissue paper...a brand new replacement figure...
he had just arrived from Hong Kong...
so I assume he took the time to hand carry and hand deliver this piece himself...

so yes...in my experience it's been a rarity...and Andy did stand behind the issue and make it good...
 
Tom,
Thank you for your pictures, they are worth a thousand words. As you can see it is not an isolated incident and at the cost of these precious figures it is inexcusable to have these problems. Obvious lack of QC by manufacturers (China/Hong Kong). It would be nice if companies would own it and replace problem figures with brand new corrected figures. That is how I feel when I find them in my collection.

Howard

Your welcome Howard. To Andy's credit, he did arrange the repairs to some of my figures free of charge. I still believe all my paint flaking figures were the result of a batch covering several series that were made in 2009/10 that somehow got contaminated in the factory. However it appears not all in those series from that time period are affected as I have spoken to friends that have the same figures as me and they say their figures are fine. I do not believe in my case how I display my figures or the environment where I live had an impact on the flaking of my figures.

Tom
 
in Andy's defense...
he does stand behind his product...

I buy several series produced by K&C...
I have 100's of his figures...
years ago...
I had a LOJ figure that experienced some flaking and notified Andy...

a month or two later...
at the Texas San Antonio Show...

Andy approached me....reached in his pocket...and pulled out a carefully wrapped up in tissue paper...a brand new replacement figure...
he had just arrived from Hong Kong...
so I assume he took the time to hand carry and hand deliver this piece himself...

so yes...in my experience it's been a rarity...and Andy did stand behind the issue and make it good...


Thankyou Mike,
All the best,
Andy.
 
Your welcome Howard. To Andy's credit, he did arrange the repairs to some of my figures free of charge. I still believe all my paint flaking figures were the result of a batch covering several series that were made in 2009/10 that somehow got contaminated in the factory. However it appears not all in those series from that time period are affected as I have spoken to friends that have the same figures as me and they say their figures are fine. I do not believe in my case how I display my figures or the environment where I live had an impact on the flaking of my figures.

Tom


Many thanks, Tom.
Best wishes,
Andy,
 
The make and materials used in a cabinet construction or refinishing can absolutely contribute to damage. I have seen Toy Solders, Resin & Wood Models (ships, planes, etc); Military Collectables and other antiques suffer paint loss, pitting and decay due to the use of the paint removers, stains, varnish and urethane finishes applied to the cabinet. It isn't uncommon to see beautiful cabinets that have been refinished used to display wonderful collections. A short time later the vapors from lingering chemical products have wrought noticeable damage.

The newer composite materials, glass and such have no issues.

--- LaRRy

Thanks LaRRy Nye the science guy...…………..so leftover vapors destroyed the items inside the cabinet, but the collector miraculously did not drop dead.

Good to know.

In my 55 plus years of being in the hobby/business, I've been to more homes than I can count to both view and possibly purchase collections; never once in that time have I seen figures with paint flaking off. I've bought dozens of collections, never once have I had a new buyer reach out to me to inform me figures they bought from me had paint flake off.

As a toy soldier dealer, in 25 years I've seen MAYBE 7 to 10 figures/vehicles with paint issues similar to these figures.

Your mileage may vary there Larry.
 
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Thanks LaRRy Nye the science guy...…………..so leftover vapors destroyed the items inside the cabinet, but the collector miraculously did not drop dead.

Good to know.

In my 55 plus years of being in the hobby/business, I've been to more homes than I can count to both view and possibly purchase collections; never once in that time have I seen figures with paint flaking off. I've bought dozens of collections, never once have I had a new buyer reach out to me to inform me figures they bought from me had paint flake off.

As a toy soldier dealer, in 25 years I've seen MAYBE 7 to 10 figures/vehicles with paint issues similar to these figures.

Your mileage may vary there Larry.

George,
I know you have been doing it a lot longer than I have. I have been a serious collector since 2013 and in that time I have owned K&C , W. Britain, and Figarti figures with paint flaking problems. That is a lot higher percentage than you have experienced. Maybe it is my bad luck but I do agree with you that it is not the cabinet but the process. I would ask all manufacturers to tighten up their process and the next time l run into K&C flaking problem it is nice to know Andy will stand behind his product.

Regards
Howard
 
Thanks LaRRy Nye the science guy...…………..so leftover vapors destroyed the items inside the cabinet, but the collector miraculously did not drop dead.

Good to know.

In my 55 plus years of being in the hobby/business, I've been to more homes than I can count to both view and possibly purchase collections; never once in that time have I seen figures with paint flaking off. I've bought dozens of collections, never once have I had a new buyer reach out to me to inform me figures they bought from me had paint flake off.

As a toy soldier dealer, in 25 years I've seen MAYBE 7 to 10 figures/vehicles with paint issues similar to these figures.

Your mileage may vary there Larry.

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And Thank you George Nye, the NON-SCIENCE guy.

Ya' wouldn't hurt him unless the guy stayed in the cabinet day in and day out himself (like the figure did) there would be no effect.

There have been many cases however (thankfully in the past) where carpets install into a home caused the owners a lot of medical issues. Reason .. the Urethane in the rug and matts. There have been many cases where blown-in insulation in home have caused issues. Many more examples can be cited.

Good news that most of the people don't put their collections in environments that can cause harm, still don't mean that a poor storage environment couldn't cause damage.

Yup, everyone's mileage may vary, ….. but that depends on the skill and knowledge of the driver.
Hopefully one day you might even get 10 miles per gallon! :eek:

--- LaRRy
 
I'd like to have repainted some of the figure i own, they are from the years 2009 (late) - 2010 , unfortunately in that year some beautiful (oh, well even after and before) figures were produced! It's a pity that my Wingate (an historical figure i love) and Dolittle are really "white" now..:( but being based in Italy it's difficult for me having some who can repaint it. By the way i must only argue in favour of Andy and K&C...i have 300 or so figures and the flaking is present in only about 10 figures, and the figures really "destroyed " by this problem are actually only the club figures of 2010 (as i stated Dolittle and Wingate, plus some little chip on the fat colonel and Skorzeny) the DAK barechested with jerrycan and one with the coat mounting guard.
 
I do have several 100's of figures from K&C in my collection .
I only had the problem once : LAH047 with the red colour on the flag
99.99% of all my figures exposed in a display cabinet or in the original box are OK
Guy:)
 
The make and materials used in a cabinet construction or refinishing can absolutely contribute to damage. I have seen Toy Solders, Resin & Wood Models (ships, planes, etc); Military Collectables and other antiques suffer paint loss, pitting and decay due to the use of the paint removers, stains, varnish and urethane finishes applied to the cabinet. It isn't uncommon to see beautiful cabinets that have been refinished used to display wonderful collections. A short time later the vapors from lingering chemical products have wrought noticeable damage.

The newer composite materials, glass and such have no issues.

--- LaRRy

Thanks LaRRy Nye the science guy...…………..so leftover vapors destroyed the items inside the cabinet, but the collector miraculously did not drop dead.

Good to know.

In my 55 plus years of being in the hobby/business, I've been to more homes than I can count to both view and possibly purchase collections; never once in that time have I seen figures with paint flaking off. I've bought dozens of collections, never once have I had a new buyer reach out to me to inform me figures they bought from me had paint flake off.

As a toy soldier dealer, in 25 years I've seen MAYBE 7 to 10 figures/vehicles with paint issues similar to these figures.

Your mileage may vary there Larry.

That's why I said what I said in my earlier post. That the tannic acid off-gassed by unsealed oak causes lead rot/lead disease, or problems like flaking paint, is supported only by apocryphal or anecdotal information. I know of no tests to verify the claim.

In the case of the OP's figures, I agree that the issue is with the paint, starting with the primer or lack of it (though in the photos, it looks like there is primer showing in the areas where the finish color flaked away).

Prost!
Brad
 
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That's why I said what I said in my earlier post. That the tannic acid off-gassed by
unsealed
oak causes lead rot/lead disease, or problems like flaking paint, is supported only by apocryphal or anecdotal information. I know of no tests to verify the claim."

Right, nothing to verify it.

But apparently that's not going to stop people from claiming that is the issue.

If there were 50 figures in a sealed cabinet and ALL 50 had the same issue, then you could assume improperly sealed/poorly sealed/using the wrong sealer was to blame.

Still waiting for the OP to verify how they were stored/how many total figures in the cabinet had issues.



 
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Yup, everyone's mileage may vary, ….. but that depends on the skill and knowledge of the driver.
Hopefully one day you might even get 10 miles per gallon! :eek:

--- LaRRy

Umm, yeah; ok, sure.

My mileage is fine.

Trust me on that.

I guess cabin fever really is a thing.
 

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