New Market Garden figures with a (P) symbol (2 Viewers)

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I realise it is difficult to make a final assessment of the new "pathfinder" approach, and see whether they are worth the extra amount over the standard figures, until having a chance to see them in the flesh (June London Toy Soldier Show perhaps)? However I feel that on the whole this is a retrogade step and will penalise younger collectors and those with more limited budgets. I hope this is an experiment which K & C abandons. I have the most recent British D-Day soldiers and I must confess I was pretty satisfied with the standard of painting on those figures. I was looking forward, with anticipation, to adding these new Arnhem figures to my existing MG collection but will now probably only get one (maybe two), perhaps waiting till the rumoured "Cain VC" figure becomes a reality.

 

[wds0855]

I initially thought I would start collection the Little Bighorn figures this year, but at these prices they are out of my reach. I am not saying they are not worth the price, I think K&C figures have always been excellent, but far out of what I can afford at this new price point. I still have some figures to finish out my Alamo range and will endeavor to afford what strikes my fancy with that. I do think the Little Bighorn series could prove to be the best ever done for that event in the toy soldier world. So I hope there are others out there who can afford that range even if cannot.
I am still a big K&C fan and I am sure I will always remain such.

Walt

 

[Beaufighter]

Marc...

Sorry but, this is a discussion forum and, in my expert opinion as a very good painter these are my observations. Now, I expected comments from people who just do not like anything negative said in the slightest about K&C products but, there is not sufficient work in terms of an increase in the expertise of the painter, in these figures to justify the price hike. That would be said whoever these products were from. Now, I will gladly also review these when they come out but, I have looked at a number of recent figures from pics and in real life which have all of these additional paint features shading, shaving lines and similar and are priced at £41/44 and cannot see what is added that could cost £10 plus to the Arnhem figures.

On a final point I heard the other day from a poster who commented on forum that we should cut some slack to a manufacturer because their products were cheap and, I may be wrong but, that's what I sort of pick up here in your comments about the extent of the dispatches here. A large dispatch and discontinued list so, accept all that comes??

I just guess we have to disagree
Mitch

No worries Mitch as agreeing to disagree is A-OK by me as it should be. As for the second part re. cutting slack, etc. & the extent of the dispatches, you read too much into that. I did not feel like submitting another post regarding the dispatches so I added it on. I was simply amazed at the number and spectrum of the April Dispatches as they cover so much history...that is all.

Carry On,
Marc

 

[MarkeytMaker]

I'm not sure about availability of (P) and non (P)...but if available in both what does it matter??? The price is satisfactory with the collector who can afford these unique sets either way.


Is there a rule among the TS world that states any sets made must be for everyone?


Markey

 

[uksubs]

I'm not sure about availability of (P) and non (P)...but if available in both what does it matter??? The price is satisfactory with the collector who can afford these unique sets either way.


Is there a rule among the TS world that states any sets made must be for everyone?


Markey

To be honest it not the way to treat your customers as all there do is take there money else where , I got into this hobby as KC made the Arnhem figures but lost interest with the lack of new stuff coming out in that range and no way would pay £55.55 per figure when KC stuff does not hold there value in the secondary market , no other company has the monthly price rise in there stuff like Kc , Figarti latest V1 and V2 are still very fair price if you buy from the USA or UK but why is it you have to pay more in the UK for KC stuff ? I know Fl figures are £55.00 each but there figures have not double in price from a start of a range . Just my personal take on the subject

 

[Mitch]

I think that could be seen as a somewhat bizarre comment. I have spoken to 37 people since dispatches (on here, in the UK and Europe) that either will not or cannot buy the new Arnhem figures at this rather ridiculous price. Wonder if 37 new collectors took their place?? That's 37 people who would have more than likely bought all six new figures how can that be good for the hobby or K&C. surely, its better to sell more at £41/44 than less at £55/76??b especially if there is no discernible difference in the paint style to other current releases
Mitch

I'm not sure about availability of (P) and non (P)...but if available in both what does it matter??? The price is satisfactory with the collector who can afford these unique sets either way.


Is there a rule among the TS world that states any sets made must be for everyone?


Markey

 

[jazzeum]

I'm not sure about availability of (P) and non (P)...but if available in both what does it matter??? The price is satisfactory with the collector who can afford these unique sets either way.


Is there a rule among the TS world that states any sets made must be for everyone?


Markey

Mark,

Was there a point to this post?

Brad

 

[amund]

Dear Collectors,

The new Arnhem pathfinder figures, I believe, look spectacular. Andy and the King and Country team continue to provide us with an amazing array of different historical military figures, AFVs, airplanes, support vehicles, etc., that appeal to a broad range of collectors. In my opinion, there is no other toy soldier manufacturer that provides the same breath of historical ranges to collectors that gives them the opportunity to experience and enjoy their favorite military period(s). Think beyond the price because the investment in educating others about military history, the impact of military conflicts over the centuries, and how these historical events have shaped our world is priceless. I recently purchased the P-51 D red tail Mustang fighter plane and my son has been mesmerized by it since its arrival. Over the past few days he has asked me "many" questions about the history of the plane and the role it played during WW II. For me this is the "huge" payback you receive that far transcends the few extra dollars you must pay for the figures. Thank you Andy for continuing to release a great product that continues to delight many of your collectors!

Alex :smile2:

 

[arnhem44mad]

Dear Collectors,

The new Arnhem pathfinder figures, I believe, look spectacular. Andy and the King and Country team continue to provide us with an amazing array of different historical military figures, AFVs, airplanes, support vehicles, etc., that appeal to a broad range of collectors. In my opinion, there is no other toy soldier manufacturer that provides the same breath of historical ranges to collectors that gives them the opportunity to experience and enjoy their favorite military period(s). Think beyond the price because the investment in educating others about military history, the impact of military conflicts over the centuries, and how these historical events have shaped our world is priceless. I recently purchased the P-51 D red tail Mustang fighter plane and my son has been mesmerized by it since its arrival. Over the past few days he has asked me "many" questions about the history of the plane and the role it played during WW II. For me this is the "huge" payback you receive that far transcends the few extra dollars you must pay for the figures. Thank you Andy for continuing to release a great product that continues to delight many of your collectors!

Alex :smile2:

Yeah but this goes with the same with the earlier released figures and they weren't £55 quid each.

 

[mikemiller1955]

I'm not sure about availability of (P) and non (P)...but if available in both what does it matter??? The price is satisfactory with the collector who can afford these unique sets either way.


Is there a rule among the TS world that states any sets made must be for everyone?


Markey

I agree with this...

if this is the new trend for all the series...I do not want to be limited to only one option of purchasing the more expensive and more detailed "connoisseur P" figure...

if the identical pose is still offered in the "Non P" style of painting...which I consider excellent...then I'm okay with Andy branching out to a more discriminate group of collectors...he can do what he wants...

I'm guessing there are a group of K&C collectors pressuring Andy for a more detailed connoisseur style figure or else K&C wants to be more competitive in the market against the connoisseur manufacturers...

I just hope this doesn't affect the availabity of any new sculpts to me...as being offered at only the "P" premium detail and price...

I was very happy with the level of painting before...

 

[Mitch]

Mike...

That would be fine though, nothing has been said about if the two would be released simultaneously and, I would see very few actually being bought in the P version as many have said the standard of recent figures some mentioned in other posts has attained all the details we are told has been achieved in the MG figures!!

I would think this would also be the death blow to these figures as if an alternative that many customers want and regularly buy are coming then these will sit for the majority on dealers shelves until the cheaper ones come out that will match the bilk of what has been released.

I would certainly want the ''non premium'' Figures at the standard made now that would blend with the former releases.
Mitch

I agree with this...

if this is the new trend for all the series...I do not want to be limited to only one option of purchasing the more expensive and more detailed "connoisseur P" figure...

if the identical pose is still offered in the "Non P" style of painting...which I consider excellent...then I'm okay with Andy branching out to a more discriminate group of collectors...he can do what he wants...

I'm guessing there are a group of K&C collectors pressuring Andy for a more detailed connoisseur style figure or else K&C wants to be more competitive in the market against the connoisseur manufacturers...

I just hope this doesn't affect the availabity of any new sculpts to me...as being offered at only the "P" premium detail and price...

I was very happy with the level of painting before...

 

[Spanish soldier]

I'm not sure about availability of (P) and non (P)...but if available in both what does it matter??? The price is satisfactory with the collector who can afford these unique sets either way.


Is there a rule among the TS world that states any sets made must be for everyone?


Markey

only for the privileged?


the toy soldiers companies many collectors need to keep the business

 

[Blowtorch]

I just hope this doesn't affect the availabity of any new sculpts to me...as being offered at only the "P" premium detail and price...

That is the key question

 

[mikemiller1955]

Mike...

That would be fine though, nothing has been said about if the two would be released simultaneously and, I would see very few actually being bought in the P version as many have said the standard of recent figures some mentioned in other posts has attained all the details we are told has been achieved in the MG figures!!

I would think this would also be the death blow to these figures as if an alternative that many customers want and regularly buy are coming then these will sit for the majority on dealers shelves until the cheaper ones come out that will match the bilk of what has been released.

I would certainly want the ''non premium'' Figures at the standard made now that would blend with the former releases.
Mitch

Mitch...

I'm sure Andy has his reasons for the "P" version paintings...

like you...I would guess most collectors are satisfied with the current (non-P) style and don't feel the need to pay extra for a "connoisseur version"...personally...I am...

even at the current level and price...my purchases of "firing line" multiples has been long gone...it's just not financially practical anymore...

and like you...I think the non-P versions would still outsell the premium versions...

again...I'm sure K&C feels there is a niche for this...maybe they have had some demand for this...maybe they want to go "head to head" with other connoisseur manufacturers...maybe they are testing the water to see if there is a market for these "upscale" figures...I don't know...

again...I can only hope that the series I collect...are still going to be offered in the non-P style...

 

[mikemiller1955]

That is the key question

I hope Andy will address this on here...I don't think you and me are the only people sweating this out...