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[vandilay]

Bet I couldn't out run them either....... Mind you, would you like to describe the All Blacks rugby players' handbags in a little more detail...LOL

Its the stuff of local legend,Tana Umaga the ex captain of the All blacks
was out for a drink or 5 after the final of the super 14,
when Chris mahoe another all black punched another patron at the bar.

So Tana grabbed the closet thing to him [in this case a ladys handbag ]and
smacked him [mahoe]. over the head to sort him out.[which apparently caused mahoe to cry,their goes the hard image of an all black forward ]

The hand bag was subsequntly sold on the NZ equivilant of e bay for a healthy profit.Dont you just love a happy ending

 

[panda1gen]

Its the stuff of local legend,Tana Umaga the ex captain of the All blacks
was out for a drink or 5 after the final of the super 14,
when Chris mahoe another all black punched another patron at the bar.

So Tana grabbed the closet thing to him [in this case a ladys handbag ]and
smacked him [mahoe]. over the head to sort him out.[which apparently caused mahoe to cry,their goes the hard image of an all black forward ]

The hand bag was subsequntly sold on the NZ equivilant of e bay for a healthy profit.Dont you just love a happy ending

LOL

 

[jazzeum]

Fred,

After reading Kevin's post, I was about to post what you said, that this would have left the Soviets in charge of all of Western Europe. It is interesting, as an intellectual exercise only, to think what history would have been like. The Soviets winning in Western Europe presupposes that Wendell Willkie would have defeated FDR in 1940, another interesting turn of events. These are things that could keep us talking for a long time. Did you know that Hitler's attack on the Russians was his attempt to get the British out of the war. His whole goal after he conquered Western Europe was to bring the British to heel because he wanted to get their empire. After he was unsuccessful in 1940, he felt that if he could conquer Russia, the British would see that there was no chance of prevailing and ask for terms. A strange way of thinking for sure.

Unfortunately, this thread has sort of taken the complexion it has because the contributions of those countries who had been fighting before 1941 was denigrated or just ignored, as if nothing these countries had done before didn't matter. This is history of course but the war only ended 60 some odd years ago, not a long time in human history, so this is still fresh, and they feel slighted. If you slight their accomplishments, people would get upset. Do we get upset if the British make fun of the colonials? No, because that happened in the 1700s. World War II is still recent memory. I remember talking to a friend once about German Russian friction and he said the Russians were still bitter about events that took place in the middle ages.

Let's remember this is an international board, not just one for Americans.

Kevin has a good point by the way. The Chinese did keep the Japanese bottled up in China. When VJ day, there were still millions of Japanese troops in the mainland. So, some credit must be given there.

 

[Capitolron]

Doug, I'm with you up that last sentence. I am not so history ignorant that I have any silly "preconceived idea" that the US was the only particitant in WWII that fought against the Axis. But satements like " to think the US's belated entrance in to the war saved anyone" is an idea that is totally naive. The fact is the day the US declared war the fate of millions was secured, the war would have gone on for who knows how many more years with millions more deaths if we had sat on the sidelines.

And yes, Brad it is quite possible that Russia could have defeated the Germans without our involvement in Europe and MAYBE even without all the material we supplied them, but then you would have had an entire Europe under communist rule for next 45 years or so, wouldn't that have been wonderful, just ask the people of eastern Europe. I doubt you would have spent much time in Europe under those circumstances, keep in mind Stalin was second to none when came to murdering people, especially his own. I have no misconception of the US winning the war all by itself, but don't tell me that the outcome would be anything but an extremely unpleasant one for the entire world without it's significant contribution, 2% of the casaulities or not!

Fred

Fred

You are right.

Our politically leaning left friends seem to forget that life under Stalin and Russian rule would have been the same or far worst for Europe than if Hilter and Nazi had Won. For some reason we (at this forum) look at the Soviets as if their political idealogy is something that is simular to us (Free World) - from 1946 -1991 Eastern Europe did not get to enjoy the Freedom WE ALL FOUGHT FOR IN WWII ! Another BAD government - Communism - like the NAZIS - had taken power and was oppressive.

NOW BOYS get ready - I am sure this one will send you over the edge......

If it wasn't for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA - the world would still suffer under COMMUNIST RULS and OPPRESSION.

So although when I said it before - Jokingly - about America saved the World - actually when you think about it WE DID - Not in 1945 - but, certainly in 1991.

We all should also say a prayer of thanks ever night for President Ronald Reagan. This is the man lead the World to more Freedom and defeated Russian Communism as a threat to World PEACE.

I know Fred and I agree with all of you that WORLD WAR II was a United Effort against the Nazi and Japan. But, there is no way it would have been successful without the USA in 1941-45 or in 1946-91 - THE COLD WAR.

I don't think I have to go over the 56 YEARS of the US Defense Budget and compare it to England, France, New Zealand, and the Aussies to make the point - WE WON THE COLD WAR.

Gentlemen, lets dont discount the good ole USA - we have been on the frontlines for a long time now - certainly more than the mere 7 years of WWII.

Let's just all agree that like Rob said and appreciate we did all come together for common purpose and we won.

 

[Rob]

Well said all.Now how about 88mm!

Rob

 

[Capitolron]

Brad

I think we all know this is an international board and we do appreciate each other views - however different it may be. It's the acceptance that we all share that makes our World a great place.

Many things that is said on this board is in JEST. And, should be recoginized as such. I think people should wear the feelings on the sleeve - or take offense to jabs and pokes that are intended for fun. Like I said there is an appreciation of the each person and a high level of acceptance.

But, you don't have reach acceptance by degrading yourself or your Country.

Ron

 

[Capitolron]

I AGREE WITH ROB!

Lets talk about Napoleonic Cannons as our next limited edition!

 

[jazzeum]

How did I degrade my country or myself Ron? You don't know me so don't make those kinds of comments until you do.

All I said was be mindful of other's people's contribution and try not to slight them.

Stepping back into the moderator role for a second, Shannon does not want politics discussed here because they can be very divisive. I only mention this because you are new here.

 

[panda1gen]

Brad

I think we all know this is an international board and we do appreciate each other views - however different it may be. It's the acceptance that we all share that makes our World a great place.

Many things that is said on this board is in JEST. And, should be recoginized as such. I think people should wear the feelings on the sleeve - or take offense to jabs and pokes that are intended for fun. Like I said there is an appreciation of the each person and a high level of acceptance.

But, you don't have reach acceptance by degrading yourself or your Country.

Ron

But Ron, we British have made an art form out of self denigration....... You have to have a warped sense of humour when is persistantly raining, you always lose at cricket and David Beckham is paid to go to America.....

By the way, try telling Maggie she didn't win the cold war....tee hee
Faced with her wouldn't you surrender?

 

[Rob]

Ron,perhaps we could have a napoleonic Gun that looks like an 88,is called an 88 and is crewed by an 88 AK crew,but we all know that under all that its Napoleonic...and were all happy!

Rob

 

[Capitolron]

How did I degrade my country or myself Ron? You don't know me so don't make those kinds of comments until you do.

All I said was be mindful of other's people's contribution and try not to slight them.

Stepping back into the moderator role for a second, Shannon does not want politics discussed here because they can be very divisive. I only mention this because you are new here.

Brad

I didn't we were talking politics - but having a historical conversation on WW II and the COLD WAR.

I for one am not looking for a political conversation (I have enough of that in my line of work) - but, for one on KING AND COUNTRY - thats why I am on this thread of the forum. However, I do feel if statements are made that historically incorrect from the moderator or others on US MILITARY history - I surely feel I can express my opinion as well.

We have a difference of opinion of what you call "Slight" - and cetainly a difference of opinion of the value of the American Military committment, might and blood.

So its probally best we agree to disagree on our views and move forward on a conversation about the Greatest TOY SOLDIER COMPANY IN THE WORLD!

So how bout it Brad - ready to move on?

 

[jazzeum]

Where have I disagreed about the role of the American military in World War II? Without the industrial might of the United States and the manpower it could throw into battle, this war would not have been won in the way it was. It was not for nothing that Churchill was gleeful when Germany declared war on the United States; he knew the Allies would win the war.

One can have an opinion on subjects. But facts are facts and you can't disagree on a fact. You can differ on interpretations of the facts. America's role was important but so were contributions of other countries. I believe we can agree on that.

Regarding the Cold War, to say that Reagan won the Cold War is somewhat misleading. It was several administrations from 1945-1992, Democrats and Republicans alike, that brought down the Soviet Union.

So, with that, let's move on.

 

[vandilay]

Fred

You are right.

Our politically leaning left friends seem to forget that life under Stalin and Russian rule would have been the same or far worst for Europe than if Hilter and Nazi had Won. For some reason we (at this forum) look at the Soviets as if their political idealogy is something that is simular to us (Free World) - from 1946 -1991 Eastern Europe did not get to enjoy the Freedom WE ALL FOUGHT FOR IN WWII ! Another BAD government - Communism - like the NAZIS - had taken power and was oppressive.

NOW BOYS get ready - I am sure this one will send you over the edge......

If it wasn't for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA - the world would still suffer under COMMUNIST RULS and OPPRESSION.

So although when I said it before - Jokingly - about America saved the World - actually when you think about it WE DID - Not in 1945 - but, certainly in 1991.

We all should also say a prayer of thanks ever night for President Ronald Reagan. This is the man lead the World to more Freedom and defeated Russian Communism as a threat to World PEACE.

I know Fred and I agree with all of you that WORLD WAR II was a United Effort against the Nazi and Japan. But, there is no way it would have been successful without the USA in 1941-45 or in 1946-91 - THE COLD WAR.

I don't think I have to go over the 56 YEARS of the US Defense Budget and compare it to England, France, New Zealand, and the Aussies to make the point - WE WON THE COLD WAR.

Gentlemen, lets dont discount the good ole USA - we have been on the frontlines for a long time now - certainly more than the mere 7 years of WWII.

Let's just all agree that like Rob said and appreciate we did all come together for common purpose and we won.

I dont think we even have an army anymore,our leaders in all their
infinite wisdom constantly call them peacekeepers .
If we ever get attacked we could all do a rousing haka to scare them
away

 

[Wraith]

I dont think we even have an army anymore,our leaders in all their
infinite wisdom constantly call them peacekeepers .
If we ever get attacked we could all do a rousing haka to scare them
away

Handbags or no handbags, if the All Blacks were doing the haka in front of me, I'd be afraid. Very afraid.

 

[Capitolron]

Where have I disagreed about the role of the American military in World War II? Without the industrial might of the United States and the manpower it could throw into battle, this war would not have been won in the way it was. It was not for nothing that Churchill was gleeful when Germany declared war on the United States; he knew the Allies would win the war.

One can have an opinion on subjects. But facts are facts and you can't disagree on a fact. You can differ on interpretations of the facts. America's role was important but so were contributions of other countries. I believe we can agree on that.

Regarding the Cold War, to say that Reagan won the Cold War is somewhat misleading. It was several administrations from 1945-1992, Democrats and Republicans alike, that brought down the Soviet Union.

So, with that, let's move on.

Brad

Your facts are flawed - Just like your statements on Reagan. Now who is being political?

My opinion - not meant to "slight" you. OK - now we can move on.

 

[jazzeum]

As I said, discussion of politics can be divisive. This discussion can be resumed elsewhere. I'm sure there are plenty of other boards where those kinds of discussions can be had. It's best to keep them off this Board.

Now that we've each had our say on the subject, best to move on.

 

[OzDigger]

Where have I disagreed about the role of the American military in World War II? Without the industrial might of the United States and the manpower it could throw into battle, this war would not have been won in the way it was. It was not for nothing that Churchill was gleeful when Germany declared war on the United States; he knew the Allies would win the war.

One can have an opinion on subjects. But facts are facts and you can't disagree on a fact. You can differ on interpretations of the facts. America's role was important but so were contributions of other countries. I believe we can agree on that.

Regarding the Cold War, to say that Reagan won the Cold War is somewhat misleading. It was several administrations from 1945-1992, Democrats and Republicans alike, that brought down the Soviet Union.

So, with that, let's move on.

A good summing up Brad because it's hard to argue with facts, even if some people choose to ignore them.

 

[Shannon Reuss]

Moving on is good...I agree, the WWII discussion did seem to be morphing into a political debate and politics are so divisive. That is why we talk toy soldiers here on this wonderfully global forum and politics on political forums .

So, limited editions then...Hadn't ever heard of Flashman til Louis mentioned him on another thread but boy was one collector thrilled to hear that Flashman is a current choice for the collector club figure. I guess this thread would be a good spot to speculate on what people would like to see for the next collector club pieces.

Anyone?

 

[Capitolron]

Shannon

Usually Collector Club figures preceed a K&C Line production......

So I guess Andy plans to do several figures on the Crimean War - interesting period. Although I am not sure too many Americans have much knowledge of that particular War?

For those of us who appreciate history it will be exciting to see the figures.

Ron

 

[jazzeum]

Ron,

Andy is doing Crimean War as an exclusive for King and Country UK. I believe their first set is due out in the summer and will come out in regular periods after that. Here is a link to earlier thread about it, http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2604

Also, if you go www.kingandcountry.co.uk, there's more information there.

Some US dealers will probably have these.