No clue/respect for our nations past........ (1 Viewer)

[Rutledge]

"Holiday wreaths?" Are you sure that these dead Union soldiers were Winter Solstice worshipers? Druids? Followers of Mithra? I'm betting that some of these 19th century men had a number of conservative Christian beliefs and would have resented such "Holiday" decorations and the presumption by even well meaning folks to include them in their own beliefs.....

So you do believe in the afterlife?? How else could the deceased care about what happens to their grave?

Seems to me, regardless, the dead could care less. There either is no life after death, and the point is moot, or there is LAD but the dead have better things with which to concern themselves with than what may or may not be adorning their graves.

This clearly is more about the living than the dead. I mean, what person has the time and energy to suggest "resentment" toward well meaning, respectful, non-religious HOLIDAY DECORATIONS on some long dead person's grave? Not to mention taking on the self-appointed role of agnostic/atheist/non-traditional religion champion and defender.

Not being a big believer myself, personally I would nevertheless think any positive remembrance of or reflection on my life will be appreciated after "check out".

 

[Louis Badolato]

So you do believe in the afterlife?? How else could the deceased care about what happens to their grave?

Seems to me, regardless, the dead could care less. There either is no life after death, and the point is moot, or there is LAD but the dead have better things with which to concern themselves with than what may or may not be adorning their graves.

This clearly is more about the living than the dead. I mean, what person has the time and energy to suggest "resentment" toward well meaning, respectful, non-religious HOLIDAY DECORATIONS on some long dead person's grave? Not to mention taking on the self-appointed role of agnostic/atheist/non-traditional religion champion and defender.

Not being a big believer myself, personally I would nevertheless think any positive remembrance of or reflection on my life will be appreciated after "check out".

What he said.:wink2:

 

[jazzeum]

What he said.:wink2:

Ditto, to Rutledge's comment.

By the way, this is not the first time Scott has gotten off on this odd kick ^&confuse

 

[Currahee Chris]

Maybe it's just me but I approach this forum as I do when going to the workplace- check my views on Religion, Politics and sex at the door. it just isn't appropriate, I don't understand why on a hobby forum these types of things have to keep cropping up??

Scott, I may not be the sharpest tool in the shed but I do have a college degree. One of the things that helped me get through college and pass my CPA exam was memorization. I always found that setting up cute little sayings would help me get through difficult concepts. So, I will assist you here.....

S-C-O-T-T
Stop Commenting On Theological Themes

Should be helpful given it's your board name. You have offered a lot of valuable comments around the hobby itself- why not be known for that? Why the drive towards notoriety??

George- I think you did the right thing. I probably wouldn't have spoken out to the family but that's me, who knows. I know how passionate you are on the ACW and I know I have done more than my fair share of protest-busting around the current conflicts. Your entire story reminds me of the scene in Remember the Titans when Denzel took the football team out for a run and they finished at the ACW monument in Gettysburg I believe.

 

[jazzeum]

One of the things that helped me get through college and pass my CPA exam was memorization. I always found that setting up cute little sayings would help me get through difficult concepts. So, I will assist you here.....

S-C-O-T-T
Stop Commenting On Theological Themes

Mnemonics. When I took my bar review course after Law School, the instructor fed us tons of mnemonics. It helped me pass the bar! :smile2:

 

[Currahee Chris]

Mnemonics. When I took my bar review course after Law School, the instructor fed us tons of mnemonics. It helped me pass the bar! :smile2:

Thanks for that- I forgot how to spell mneumonics...figure someone could square me away with that!! {sm4}{sm4}

 

[Warrior]

This clearly is more about the living than the dead. I mean, what person has the time and energy to suggest "resentment" toward well meaning, respectful, non-religious HOLIDAY DECORATIONS on some long dead person's grave? Not to mention taking on the self-appointed role of agnostic/atheist/non-traditional religion champion and defender.

Not being a big believer myself, personally I would nevertheless think any positive remembrance of or reflection on my life will be appreciated after "check out".

B-I-N-G-O.

The fact that it bothers you Scott is beyond my comprehesion.

Like I said Scott; if you feel so strongly about this, go down to Gettysburg the weekend they do this and let them all know how you feel.

Matter of fact, I'll drive you down there, how's that for being a pal?

 

[Combat]

Believe it or not, but some of the monuments at Gettysburg are intentionally vandalized each year. A very large one was recently tipped over. How or why they did it is unclear. But I chalk this up mostly to idiotic teenagers with access to more beer than brains. I don't think there is any political or social motive other than to destroy something and the monuments make a tempting target for roving teens. It's outrageous on some level, but in the grand scheme of things not the end of the world.

 

[Scott]

Like I wrote before, I will comment on a subject when it comes up and without using implied threats or personal insults. There are plenty of places to decorate without using the graves of Union Civil War soldiers. These men are way past caring themselves but since we aspire to remember the them for their duty and bravery 150 years ago, why do it with "Holiday" or Christian Christmas decorations as if they should be remembered that way? If a group of nice folks want to get together in honor of Christmas and a fallen soldier, they could go sing Christmas carols at the VA or a nursing home. I've even done that.

 

[Napoleon1er]

Hi George and Scott,
Assuming both of you are serious, why don't we step back from the issue for a second. Scot- as a non Christian, I totally get you point, and would neither wish for some soldiers to have their beliefs violated, nor for them to be left out. However, George is also right; it's wreaths, essential tree limbs bound together in a universal symbol of winter but also remembrance, much as England has a red wreath for the graves of veterans. We are not talking about US flags on Confederate graves. We are not talking about crosses on my Jewish ancestors' graves. I propose we do use wreaths, but with some kind of secular decoration, such as a flag ribbon, or maybe just boughs. But seriously guys, stop dissing each other; we are all on the same team here: respect for our veterans and our dead. So let's let the issue rest in peace:redface2:{sm4}.
-Sandor:salute::

 

[Warrior]

Hi George and Scott,
Assuming both of you are serious, why don't we step back from the issue for a second. Scot- as a non Christian, I totally get you point, and would neither wish for some soldiers to have their beliefs violated, nor for them to be left out. However, George is also right; it's wreaths, essential tree limbs bound together in a universal symbol of winter but also remembrance, much as England has a red wreath for the graves of veterans. We are not talking about US flags on Confederate graves. We are not talking about crosses on my Jewish ancestors' graves. I propose we do use wreaths, but with some kind of secular decoration, such as a flag ribbon, or maybe just boughs. But seriously guys, stop dissing each other; we are all on the same team here: respect for our veterans and our dead. So let's let the issue rest in peace]:redface2:{sm4}.
-Sandor:salute::

Agreed; I'm done going in circles over this with you Scott.

This is the beauty of forums, anyone can come on here and express your opinions about topics.

Even you Scott.

 

[wadepat]

Hi George and Scott,
Assuming both of you are serious, why don't we step back from the issue for a second. Scot- as a non Christian, I totally get you point, and would neither wish for some soldiers to have their beliefs violated, nor for them to be left out. However, George is also right; it's wreaths, essential tree limbs bound together in a universal symbol of winter but also remembrance, much as England has a red wreath for the graves of veterans. We are not talking about US flags on Confederate graves. We are not talking about crosses on my Jewish ancestors' graves. I propose we do use wreaths, but with some kind of secular decoration, such as a flag ribbon, or maybe just boughs. But seriously guys, stop dissing each other; we are all on the same team here: respect for our veterans and our dead. So let's let the issue rest in peace:redface2:{sm4}.
-Sandor:salute::

Gentle Friends,

As is frequently the case, Sandor demonstrates wisdom beyond his years. This thread has included elements of religion, personal insults, an absence of civility, a disregard for respect of differences of opinon, etc. All of which are elements that are disallowed on this forum. Consequently,...

It is time to take a deep breathe, absorb Sandor's message, and let "the issue rest in peace." Otherwise, this thread may explode and require moderator intervention.

Warmest personal regards,

Pat

 

[Scott]

Gentle Friends,

.".....This thread has included elements of religion, personal insults, an absence of civility, a disregard for respect of differences of opinon, etc. All of which are elements that are disallowed on this forum. ....................."
Warmest personal regards,

Pat

Thanks Pat, I'm sure glad I wasn't envolved in any of the above. :wink2::wink2:

 

[Currahee Chris]

Well I'm close enough to Cambridge to have had Harvard trained surgeons put my daughter's heart valve back together last fall.

Irrespective of our personal views, I do sincerely hope this operation/procedure went very well and she is on the mend. It must have been a terribly trying time for her and your family. I do wish her the best in dealing with that and you in coping.

And the Land of Little Horses is my daughters favorite place on the planet- took her this past weekend.